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http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-david-beckham-reveals-he-performed-vile-sex-act-on-himself-as-manchester-united-s-young-player-1927216
According to Metro.co.uk, the pin-up revealed how his Class of 92 teammates required him to perform an embarrassing sex act whilst staring at the mug of eighties Reds legend Clayton Blackmore. England football legend David Beckham has revealed that his saucy initiation ceremony as a teen lad joining Manchester United is one he is more than happy to forget. According to Metro.co.uk, the pin-up revealed how his Class of 92 teammates required him to perform an embarrassing sex act whilst staring at the mug of eighties Reds legend Clayton Blackmore. Recalling his teen horror, he said that everyone had an initiation that they had to go through on the youth team, and his was one of the most uncomfortable ones. The Class of 92's world premiere will be staged in London on Sunday. |
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Hazing is against the law in every state but Alaska, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, and Hawaii...
http://www.stophazing.org/laws.html More like mutual stupidity than consensual bullying... 
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jock rituals,, I couldn't understand,,,lol
seems dumb to me too,, but , IM no jock,, |
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jock rituals,, I couldn't understand,,,lol seems dumb to me too,, but , IM no jock,, |
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage.
That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. |
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. How old were you when you graduated Airborne School?.....Sincere question TJ 
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. How old were you when you graduated Airborne School?.....Sincere question TJ
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. sounds pretty stupid |
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Edited by
TJN
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Sat 11/30/13 11:29 AM
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. sounds pretty stupid Why? Then again if you haven't been through it I wouldn't expect you to understand. It was a time honored tradition. To me it gave me more of a sense of accomplishment. |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Sat 11/30/13 12:00 PM
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. Not about to get into a pizzing match with a tough guy like you, but your words and attitude are a HUGE part of the problem and why so many young "children" are "dying" to confirm "right of passage"...Also, getting poked in the chest with a sharp object at the age of 22 is not hazing, it is childs play for wussies... This is the result of hazing...."Hank Nuwer Chronology of Hazing Deaths" http://www.hanknuwer.com/hazingdeaths.html From the article... FYI: This list contains the minimum number of deaths from such causes. The section of the title "of hazing, initiation, and pledging-Related Accidents" is used because of legal advice due to strong attempts by interest groups to disassociate themselves from certain episodes described below. In my books I have tried to reserve the term "��hazing" for those incidents that have been so identified by state and institutional authorities. If a state hazing law has not been invoked (or a grand jury failed to indict), or if a school or victim'��s family said hazing did not occur even though the fatal occurrence closely matched standard definitions of hazing, I use the term "��Initiation and Pledging-related Accident"instead of the term "hazing." Obviously, even with 44 laws on the books, the definition of hazing is often disputed by individuals and their organizations-��and even occasionally by grieving families of deceased pledges who prefer to think their loved ones died following "��horseplay." At the same time, some examined deaths due to alcohol use may not fall under the category of hazing. Some deaths may reveal other hazing-related deaths, including the deaths of members at the hands of other members disciplining them, deaths of members during pledge sneaks (pledges taking harsh action against members), and other less typical actions resulting in deaths. |
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. Not about to get into a pizzing match with a tough guy like you, but your words and attitude are a HUGE part of the problem and why so many young "children" are "dying" to confirm "right of passage"...Also, getting poked in the chest with a sharp object at the age of 22 is not hazing, it is childs play for wussies... This is the result of hazing...."Hank Nuwer Chronology of Hazing Deaths" http://www.hanknuwer.com/hazingdeaths.html From the article... FYI: This list contains the minimum number of deaths from such causes. The section of the title "of hazing, initiation, and pledging-Related Accidents" is used because of legal advice due to strong attempts by interest groups to disassociate themselves from certain episodes described below. In my books I have tried to reserve the term "��hazing" for those incidents that have been so identified by state and institutional authorities. If a state hazing law has not been invoked (or a grand jury failed to indict), or if a school or victim'��s family said hazing did not occur even though the fatal occurrence closely matched standard definitions of hazing, I use the term "��Initiation and Pledging-related Accident"instead of the term "hazing." Obviously, even with 44 laws on the books, the definition of hazing is often disputed by individuals and their organizations-��and even occasionally by grieving families of deceased pledges who prefer to think their loved ones died following "��horseplay." At the same time, some examined deaths due to alcohol use may not fall under the category of hazing. Some deaths may reveal other hazing-related deaths, including the deaths of members at the hands of other members disciplining them, deaths of members during pledge sneaks (pledges taking harsh action against members), and other less typical actions resulting in deaths. Hi Leigh,
Are you suggesting 174 hazing deaths in 175 years... outrageously problematic? I have no opinion on the subject... But There's one case in that list where the fellow died from a cold caught by icewater haze?
I wonder how many training recruits have died in military boot camps in the same period... I bet it's at least 10 times that figure? |
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The wasted life of even one Human to ritualistic Hazing is 175 years is too many.
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. Not about to get into a pizzing match with a tough guy like you, but your words and attitude are a HUGE part of the problem and why so many young "children" are "dying" to confirm "right of passage"...Also, getting poked in the chest with a sharp object at the age of 22 is not hazing, it is childs play for wussies... This is the result of hazing...."Hank Nuwer Chronology of Hazing Deaths" http://www.hanknuwer.com/hazingdeaths.html From the article... FYI: This list contains the minimum number of deaths from such causes. The section of the title "of hazing, initiation, and pledging-Related Accidents" is used because of legal advice due to strong attempts by interest groups to disassociate themselves from certain episodes described below. In my books I have tried to reserve the term "��hazing" for those incidents that have been so identified by state and institutional authorities. If a state hazing law has not been invoked (or a grand jury failed to indict), or if a school or victim'��s family said hazing did not occur even though the fatal occurrence closely matched standard definitions of hazing, I use the term "��Initiation and Pledging-related Accident"instead of the term "hazing." Obviously, even with 44 laws on the books, the definition of hazing is often disputed by individuals and their organizations-��and even occasionally by grieving families of deceased pledges who prefer to think their loved ones died following "��horseplay." At the same time, some examined deaths due to alcohol use may not fall under the category of hazing. Some deaths may reveal other hazing-related deaths, including the deaths of members at the hands of other members disciplining them, deaths of members during pledge sneaks (pledges taking harsh action against members), and other less typical actions resulting in deaths. Hi Leigh,
Are you suggesting 174 hazing deaths in 175 years... outrageously problematic? I have no opinion on the subject... But There's one case in that list where the fellow died from a cold caught by icewater haze?
I wonder how many training recruits have died in military boot camps in the same period... I bet it's at least 10 times that figure? Yeah, I am...I consider one unnecessary death problematic, not to mention the injuries both physical and psychological....What is the purpose, what excuse can you make that would would justify even one death?......Yeah, me and 44 other state consider hazing outrageously problematic....And your analogy is....well, it has no merit John.... |
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Deaths, or even injury, in military training are whenever possible prevented and are not as a result of abuse, hazing, or intentional infliction of humiliation or pain. To do so would be a court martial offense of all involved.
Do recruites get injured striving to acquire strength and skills? Yes it is rigorous training to survive combat not a game or status. Hardly the same thing. |
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The OPs Beckham hazing story prolly involves wanking to Reds legend Clayton Blackmore pic. Boys will be boys, acceptance into a group of tight knit teams is hardly problematic.
Perhaps we could talk more about needless deaths in general? As TJN said, it gave him more sense of accomplishment, memories that didn't kill him or Beckham 
Like I said, I have no opinion on this subject but I find it interesting that only ladies voiced concern over it? We men understand the term... "MAN UP" and face your fears! |
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Deaths, or even injury, in military training are whenever possible prevented and are not as a result of abuse, hazing, or intentional infliction of humiliation or pain. To do so would be a court martial offense of all involved. Do recruites get injured striving to acquire strength and skills? Yes it is rigorous training to survive combat not a game or status. Hardly the same thing. I'm sorry Pacific... I don't completely agree Most of the excess "out of manual" drills depend widely on the drill Sgts moods... They End up killing the poor kid... needless deaths? oh ya! they're all around us |
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. Not about to get into a pizzing match with a tough guy like you, but your words and attitude are a HUGE part of the problem and why so many young "children" are "dying" to confirm "right of passage"...Also, getting poked in the chest with a sharp object at the age of 22 is not hazing, it is childs play for wussies... This is the result of hazing...."Hank Nuwer Chronology of Hazing Deaths" http://www.hanknuwer.com/hazingdeaths.html From the article... FYI: This list contains the minimum number of deaths from such causes. The section of the title "of hazing, initiation, and pledging-Related Accidents" is used because of legal advice due to strong attempts by interest groups to disassociate themselves from certain episodes described below. In my books I have tried to reserve the term "��hazing" for those incidents that have been so identified by state and institutional authorities. If a state hazing law has not been invoked (or a grand jury failed to indict), or if a school or victim'��s family said hazing did not occur even though the fatal occurrence closely matched standard definitions of hazing, I use the term "��Initiation and Pledging-related Accident"instead of the term "hazing." Obviously, even with 44 laws on the books, the definition of hazing is often disputed by individuals and their organizations-��and even occasionally by grieving families of deceased pledges who prefer to think their loved ones died following "��horseplay." At the same time, some examined deaths due to alcohol use may not fall under the category of hazing. Some deaths may reveal other hazing-related deaths, including the deaths of members at the hands of other members disciplining them, deaths of members during pledge sneaks (pledges taking harsh action against members), and other less typical actions resulting in deaths. I was referring more to the referring hazing as consentual bullying. I don't see it as bullying. I see it as what I stated above Tradition, a right of passage. As to the hazing deaths. Should we then stop HS football because some kids have died in practices. |
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. Not about to get into a pizzing match with a tough guy like you, but your words and attitude are a HUGE part of the problem and why so many young "children" are "dying" to confirm "right of passage"...Also, getting poked in the chest with a sharp object at the age of 22 is not hazing, it is childs play for wussies... This is the result of hazing...."Hank Nuwer Chronology of Hazing Deaths" http://www.hanknuwer.com/hazingdeaths.html From the article... FYI: This list contains the minimum number of deaths from such causes. The section of the title "of hazing, initiation, and pledging-Related Accidents" is used because of legal advice due to strong attempts by interest groups to disassociate themselves from certain episodes described below. In my books I have tried to reserve the term "��hazing" for those incidents that have been so identified by state and institutional authorities. If a state hazing law has not been invoked (or a grand jury failed to indict), or if a school or victim'��s family said hazing did not occur even though the fatal occurrence closely matched standard definitions of hazing, I use the term "��Initiation and Pledging-related Accident"instead of the term "hazing." Obviously, even with 44 laws on the books, the definition of hazing is often disputed by individuals and their organizations-��and even occasionally by grieving families of deceased pledges who prefer to think their loved ones died following "��horseplay." At the same time, some examined deaths due to alcohol use may not fall under the category of hazing. Some deaths may reveal other hazing-related deaths, including the deaths of members at the hands of other members disciplining them, deaths of members during pledge sneaks (pledges taking harsh action against members), and other less typical actions resulting in deaths. I was referring more to the referring hazing as consentual bullying. I don't see it as bullying. I see it as what I stated above Tradition, a right of passage. As to the hazing deaths. Should we then stop HS football because some kids have died in practices. Even though yours is another comparison that has no merit, I'm glad you brought that up...I think sports is an important part of the educational process and physical fitness is something everyone in American could use more of....HOWEVER, football is a high impact sport and studies are finally beginning to show even mild hits, because they have a cumulative effect, can result in serious brain damage that manifests later and primarily in young male adults....So yeah, IMO high school football, at the very least, should be modified to prevent critical and/or fatal injury to minor children...If this can't be done, it should be eliminated..... |
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. sounds pretty stupid Why? Then again if you haven't been through it I wouldn't expect you to understand. It was a time honored tradition. To me it gave me more of a sense of accomplishment. It still sounds like some dumm thing guys would do that has no basis in any reason or purpose. like some prehistoric tribal ritual.... don;t assume you have some kind of premium on having "been through" things anyway sounds like a guy thing 
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Ritual, tradition, right of passage. That just goes with the wussification of people. When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings" Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know. Not about to get into a pizzing match with a tough guy like you, but your words and attitude are a HUGE part of the problem and why so many young "children" are "dying" to confirm "right of passage"...Also, getting poked in the chest with a sharp object at the age of 22 is not hazing, it is childs play for wussies... This is the result of hazing...."Hank Nuwer Chronology of Hazing Deaths" http://www.hanknuwer.com/hazingdeaths.html From the article... FYI: This list contains the minimum number of deaths from such causes. The section of the title "of hazing, initiation, and pledging-Related Accidents" is used because of legal advice due to strong attempts by interest groups to disassociate themselves from certain episodes described below. In my books I have tried to reserve the term "��hazing" for those incidents that have been so identified by state and institutional authorities. If a state hazing law has not been invoked (or a grand jury failed to indict), or if a school or victim'��s family said hazing did not occur even though the fatal occurrence closely matched standard definitions of hazing, I use the term "��Initiation and Pledging-related Accident"instead of the term "hazing." Obviously, even with 44 laws on the books, the definition of hazing is often disputed by individuals and their organizations-��and even occasionally by grieving families of deceased pledges who prefer to think their loved ones died following "��horseplay." At the same time, some examined deaths due to alcohol use may not fall under the category of hazing. Some deaths may reveal other hazing-related deaths, including the deaths of members at the hands of other members disciplining them, deaths of members during pledge sneaks (pledges taking harsh action against members), and other less typical actions resulting in deaths. Hi Leigh,
Are you suggesting 174 hazing deaths in 175 years... outrageously problematic? I have no opinion on the subject... But There's one case in that list where the fellow died from a cold caught by icewater haze?
I wonder how many training recruits have died in military boot camps in the same period... I bet it's at least 10 times that figure? Yeah, I am...I consider one unnecessary death problematic, not to mention the injuries both physical and psychological....What is the purpose, what excuse can you make that would would justify even one death?......Yeah, me and 44 other state consider hazing outrageously problematic....And your analogy is....well, it has no merit John.... I agree leigh...we are supposed to be an intelligent species. getting my own bank accout was my rite of passage. do something constructive is how I earn my "wings" any time anyone anywhere has attempted to "haze" me I put an immediate stop to it and reported it to the authorities....and have gone over heads many times and would again. to me, wrong from right, respect and honor are more important than popularity earned by cooperating with something inherently stupid and potentially dangerous |
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