Hmmm...let's say we exist before our human form...Angels and Souls...due to some kind of conflict as the two are as different as cats and dogs.. our creator felt separating the entities was inevitable ...souls are forced into a human carcass to better understand something our souls may endure in eternity ...maybe we need to quit being bitter about what Angels have that we don't...who knows...but all souls have to go through the human carcass cycle...so until the last soul is born we humans have to suffer under the hands of the unforgiven...again...for better understanding in eternity ...frankly..doubt an all powerful God wastes much time looking back...he already knew what whiny little brats we humans are...it's what the soul gains from its experience that counts...besides..he is an artist..didn't just stop at one creation...but he will return to his souls sometime...he did love us...figure he will just pick the few out that he still wants and chuck the rest...but what would God want to keep...?

Still the mind and throughout between people are different......then?start to remember something?

Sorry too say I don't believe there is a god.. No one has seen him or her or what ever...
I would like to think there is life after death but I think when you die that's it , everything is gone...

I believe that we are all a part of the multiverse, created when the void acted, creating matter and antimatter. The matter and antimatter we are composed of is from this initial act (God). We are all Gods in the fact that thought (an action), creates vibration on the sub atomic level creating matter/antimatter at the atomic level.
Throughout history we have allowed others to be named gods, but they were/are not the initial act (God).

The easy solution to the who's God is God dilemma is...just think real hard...do you feel something..?..does it feel good?...hmmm..drop one oh...walk outside and yell in your loudest voice...MY GOD IS GOD...! ..and don't forget to capitalize ...teehee

I must apologise for not believing in God, I have been a very bad boi

I have just been to busy Ironing out all the creases in my Dogs Prayer Mat. You see he thinks that God is a Dog which is more convincing than my original concept of God. He seem to think that God goes and Pees on the Eiffel Tower whenever he's let out by his owner.

Meanwhile I have had an extension built in order to house a miniture sized mecca for my guinea pig. After all this time, he hangs his head in shame to having been facing the wrong way. He thinks God is great 6 out of 7 days of the week. Apparently on Sundays God gets angry mostly and it frightens my guinea pig. He thinks that this is because God doesn't like Mondays and gets angry and upset the day before.

I got a surprise the other day. I went on a plane to an unknown destination, its my favourite thing to do, Airport Roulette. But whilst we were 90,000 feet, I felt so close to God that I could hear him saying Quack Quack!

Don't Forget
DARWIN LOVES YOU!

I don't even care that I found this and have just copied and pasted it, If your unsure just Google it. Its 50 proofs God is imaginery and I didn't even get past the first one before feeling the need to put it here. If you think God is real, I challenge you to read through all 50 points. I don't care if your belief remains because it will just explain to other people how much you need to stop Bible Bashing and wake up out of the trance of needing some higher power to believe in.

Proof #1 - Try praying

How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.

We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.

Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.

In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.

In Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."

The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.

In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:

"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." [ref]

Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.

We see the same thing over and over again...

In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:

Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:

And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

In Mark 9:23:

All things are possible to him who believes.

In Luke 1:37:

For with God nothing will be impossible.

Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.

And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.


Jesus is supposed to be God. God is supposed to be perfect.
When Jesus speaks, he should speak the truth.
Yet when we look at what Jesus says about prayer,
he is clearly lying.

If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus' name that God cures every case of cancer on the planet tomorrow. Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.

Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered.

If you are an intelligent, rational human being, all of the examples mentioned above show you that the God of the Bible is imaginary. The Bible clearly promises that God answers prayers. Yet when we pray, nothing happens (for a complete discussion proving that nothing happens, please see this page). What Jesus says about prayer in the Bible clearly is not true. Therefore, one of two things must be happening:

God is imaginary.
God does exist, but he never answers prayers. Unfortunately, God is defined by the Bible to be a prayer-answering being. The contradiction between the reality of God and the definition of God proves that God is imaginary.

In fact, we have ample scientific evidence to demonstrate that the belief in prayer is nothing but pure superstition, as shown in the next proof...

http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm

............(thinks)Still waiting for proof of God First

Google all you want about science and what it is has achieved but you daren't you are devoted to your blind sight. If someone came to you and said "I am God" you would want proof first surely. Instead of moving mountains however he turns water into wine. Nice party trick but it hasn't proven anything. So just to clarify, I am God and I approve of slavery with this quote from

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."

Not to mention that the Bible is extremely sexist

Have you read it?

just watch all 4 parts to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0

Surely you can see the skeleton of any animal and look at a skeleton of a human and think that isn't it odd that we all have skeletons and bones and skin and see that there are many similarities with the many life forms around you. Is that common sense talking?

Do we all breathe oxygen or is it pixie dust for humans?

Of course God took a chimp and molded it to be slightly better. He got his carving knife out and altered the DNA. He added a touch a sugar to keep us sweet but added a touch of blood to keep us violent.

Just look for the answers yourself instead of your own babbling from what you were taught. Instead of carrying on believing the crap you were told when you were 4 years old you can SEE for yourself that we are very much alike in structure and ways to other animals.

Then watch this: I discovered it by accident and matches what I have thought all this time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM1-DQ2Wo_w

WE HAVE MILLIONS OF FOSSILS = WE WIN!
YOU HAVE ONE BOOK = YOU LOSE!

If you celebrate the traditional Christmas you shouldn't believe in God, you should believe in Santa Claus

If God was proven to exist then we would all be studying the SCIENCE of God and not the RELIGION of God

Here is a list of some gods that science has REPLACED

THOR - God of Thunder
KERANOS - God of Storms
RUAMOKO - God of Earthquakes
POSEIDON - God of The Sea
VULCAN - God of Volcanoes

In fact there is just about a god for EVERYTHING!

see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nature_deities

Gods were the only explanation until Science came along and made sense of Weather, Nature and more recently space and the big bang.

So with so many Gods being put to the Scientific Sword you still dare to challenge the more grown up world of today that there is still at least ONE god that science hasn't killed or ONE god that science doesn't prove beyond all reasonable doubt. All your faith has done is slowed down the speed at which these answers would have been discovered. Tried to denounce football for fear of it becoming more of an obsession than religion and look what happened, It is without a doubt one of the most popular sports in the world. People did not fear being put to death by the church for heresy for kicking a ball about and you will not be condemned to "hell" for waking up in the real world. Egyptians built pyramids to get closer to god and guess what, christians didn't waste their time because they knew it wouldn't count for $hit.

I am still waiting for a grain of evidence from you. The thing about you is you are pious to every last brain cell but will grant you the same empty seat in heaven that I will be levitating in. If you could only just open up your minds eye and see the compelling evidence before you, you complete and utter ignorant waste of space.

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except,the Event in question did never happen,so that whole Remote-Viewing-Stuff is somewhat moot!

I've decided to re-read your original post that started this thread which immediately led down to the inevitable path of god does exist, no he doesn't and so on.

This quote is quite true depending on interpretation. So combine I AM with GOD and to accept yourself that you yourself are god will achieve the closest outcome to reality that one can get. Let me explain. I AM is reference to me and this idea of GOD is reference to someone in charge thus I AM IN CHARGE and by summarizing it like that you will realize that in your life you are in charge, of your thoughts, your actions, your beliefs. You are in charge of you, you are your own god and you should believe in yourself. With your thoughts, knowledge and beliefs you can decide on how to act. Man is capable of the most wonderful and beautiful things and is also capable of the most dreadful horrors, what you choose to do with you life is your choice but remember that other peoples lives and choices are bound to be caught up with your own. Everyone's lives can subtly or drastically affect the lives of those around you. To being that person walking by on the pavement (insignificant) or being the culprit of a 26 car pile up on a motorway (pretty significant), how you affect other people will determine how they choose their Thoughts, Actions and Beliefs about you and the world.

Your thoughts, knowledge and beliefs can be molded from birth due to factors such as schooling and parents. One should be allowed to graze the lands and decide for themselves what their Beliefs are. I personally was Christened at a young age and attended schools who engaged in assembly where you soon learned the morning prayers. It wasn't until I myself around the age of 20 started to question what I had been taught before realizing how absurd some of it sounds. No one converted me into the dedicated Atheist of today other than me. I delved down the road of Noahs Ark. How could one build a ship to carry the weight of 2 of every animal on earth using only wood. How plausible is it, getting hold of 2 of every animal on earth. All Animal Zoos in the world haven't got 2 of every animal (combined) on display because its impossible and today we have helicopters, planes and boats to collect them and a zoo (on land) to store them all and we keep discovering more species of animal each year. There is over 35,000 species of Spider and your telling me that Noah got 2 of every one of them. Over a million different species in the world and he got 2 million animals on a boat. This was the starting point for me that made me pull everything else into question and it got pulled about piece by piece and the thing I hated most was all that time I spent learning about this crap and praying, I could have spent LEARNING about things that matter. For me growing up I was fascinated by world maps and the solar system and now I believe that the Earth and The Human Race are the two most important things but unfortunately The Human Race is still shackled with numerous balls and chains that slow or stop our progress and whilst doing so the Human Race is constantly adding to the pressure on Earths Shoulders, for it is currently our only home and like a virus to its host, we are killing our planet just to try and survive.

could 2 million animals be on a boat? Interesting so long ago a measurement was given for us today through science to ponder.

from the Smithsonian.



However, the Bible is clear on one thing: Noah got specific instructions for the ark’s dimensions (300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high) and material (“gopher wood”). Gopher wood may refer to pine, cedar, or cypress wood.


Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/could-noahs-ark-float-theory-yes-180950385/#HtUTMBU06Qi4c1Ut.99

“You don’t think of the Bible necessarily as a scientifically accurate source of information, so I guess we were quite surprised when we discovered it would work,” said Thomas Morris, one of the students who worked on the project, in a statement.

To float, a boat has to exert the same amount of force on the ocean as the weight of the water it displaces. This buoyancy force is essentially the biggest weight the ark could hold and not sink. To put it another way, an object with a density greater than water will sink. So if the Bible gives an approximate volume of the ark, and after factoring in the mass of the wood used to build it, one could figure out how much mass the system could take before it becomes more dense than water and sinks.

Now that we've defined the constraints on the system...what in the world is a cubit? Ancients defined a cubit as the distance from a person's elbow to tip of their middle finger. In modern units, this can typically range from 45.5 centimeters to 52.3 centimeters.

In their study, students decided on an average length for their calculations: 48.2 centimeters. This means that, by their approximations, the ark would have been 144.6 meters long, 24.1 meters wide, and 14.46 meters tall—the size of a very small cargo ship. They went with cypress wood, though pine and cedar wood have similar densities. Using the density of cypress, they calculated the weight of this hypothetical ark: 1,200,000 kilograms (by comparison the Titanic weighed about 53,000,000 kilograms). Based on the density of sea water, they figured out that an empty box-shaped ark would float with it's hull only dipping 0.34 meters into the water.

But what about an ark filled with human and animal cargo? Working backwards they assumed that the maximum weight would put the waterline right just below the top of the ark—if the ark is immersed beyond it's full height, water would spill into the vessel and the ark would capsize.

Forcing the bulk of the ark down into the water while still keeping it afloat would displace about 20 Olympic-sized swimming pools worth of sea water. Knowing the volume of displaced sea water, and knowing that an object in water displaces its own weight, they crunched the numbers and found the total mass needed to displace that water. They subtracted the mass of an empty ark and found that the ark could hold 50,540,000 kg. For some perspective: the average sheep is about 23.47 kilograms, so the biblical boat could have held about 2.15 million sheep.

Fitting two of each of all the world's animals in the ark is an entirely different matter, and scientists question how many species Noah would have needed to save to produce the modern populations of species that inhabit our planet today. Scientists have characterized about 1.7 million species to date, so the students argue that, if the average mass of species represented on the ark was the average mass of sheep, the ark would theoretically have been able to accommodate them all without capsizing.


Science can get things wrong but it is amazing the bible must be right by its standards always or it is a fairy tale. Noahs Ark seems to be something science would figure out now through engineering more than a man from antient times. I wonder or have you ever wondered How were the Pyramids built? Why do we find Pyramids all around the world? Science can not figure that one out either even with so much technology at hand

Pyramids are believed to have been built to allow people to become closer to god and although to my minuscule knowledge the Egyptians and Aztecs did this, the Christians did not because they could make strong assumptions based on many events that it did not help nor hinder their allies or enemies for being "closer".

Back to my point on Noah's Ark however, The fact that scientifically a boat is big enough and light enough to carry 2 of every species of animal in the known world it just isn't plausible to expect someone with far less technology back then to actually carry out the impossible task that even today we would fail at. If we were to do it today just think of the huge amount of people that would be involved in sourcing and moving animals and building dimension specific boats (yes boats in case they get the first few wrong) and yet Noah did this all on his own with a limited time constraint, fairy tale comes to mind. The Bible has some fascinating story's but that is all they are. They should be in the fiction section of the Library and as far as stories go some of them are actually pretty good but for factitious accounts of the past they are highly over exaggerated.

The most fantastic thing about science is that scientists will hold their hands up and say we got it wrong, whereas religious nuts will carry every last word wrote in that single book of evidence they cling on to as unchangeable and therefore fact or law. Science has spent for more time, effort and resources into proving and solving many mysteries and as soon as science comes and says we have discovered gravity and this is how it works, out of the blue god invented gravity. Somehow this God fella is capable of having his hand in everything science finds and proves. Space didn't exist then all of a sudden it was God.

My simple opinion is this:

If you believe we live in a solar system with planets known to most as Mars, Jupiter and Saturn then you should not believe in God

If you believe in Gravity, then you should believe in Science

If you believe in Medicine and Vaccines then you should not believe in God

If you believe in DNA then you should believe in Science

If you believe in technology (such as computers and stuff) then you shouldn't believe in God

If you believe in God then you should be living on a flat earth where gravity doesn't exist(so everyone moves around by floating), where no medicine or cures actually do anything and are simply a waste of time (a bit like God) where you have no DNA which would mean you don't exist whilst playing with sticks and stones because computers don't exist. If this is not an accurate description of how your life is then you should believe in science. Simples!

and just why would all those things not be made and come from Yahweh.

one of the craziest theories I have ever heard of is we came up out of the ocean walked as a upright fish became a walking ape and now we are human. Now that's fanticy and science holds to this.

The bible says so many things science took forever to see.

Isa 40:22
22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
NKJV

sounds like someone 1000s of years ago knew about the earth and how its atmosphere works.

The Heavens or space is for signs. so why would I not believe in Planets?

Are vaccines good? well maybe. Personal choice if you want them. Is Medicine good? absolutely I believe all good comes from Yahweh/Creator. Not believing I do understand why so many do not believe. A lot of what you say I can see but just because mainstream religion tells us fanticy so much of the time does not make the bible untrue. Do not eat the blood because their is life in it. We finally learned this. Do not eat the fat I have seen people who suck on the fat because that's where the flavor is but Yahweh said not to do it.


It goes on and on in our physical world that we are in a Mad Scientist world . New diseases, organic foods used to be the way all foods were. Now we are in a world of manipulating nature in all forms. The weeds are declaring themselves to be wheat.

so yeah if you wanna read my responses that I put in caps. When your evidence towers over science then I might be inclined to listen but until then...

The proof of the creator is in the creation. The way the stars and planets move and the symbiotic relationship of everything down to the cell level is beyond any possibility of happening by accident.

I do not need you to listen. we all have choices. Science is not bad. some of it is just purely man made.