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Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. This verse should be a clue to people who are anti-gay rights. I don't think so,, one is about a label, the other is about behavior nowhere does that line say to me that behavior and sin are no longer to be taken into account,, saying Im not giving you preference for your gender, is not the same as saying I approve of and support whatever you wish to do,,,or that I didn't create you as man and woman with different strengths , weaknesses, and purposes within family or community See that just proves that everyone interprets the verses in the Bible according to there own prejudices and beliefs. some judgemnts are right,, so are some beliefs,, What is "right" IS a judgement and an opinion. so how about sometimes people are 'correct' in their judgment like if I see a furry animal with four legs that barks and form the judgment that he is a dog,, that would probably be a CORRECT judgment if I make a judgment that its a cat , that judgment would not be correct if in fact the animal IS A DOG,, for Christians, according to the creator, what is right is right,, its HIS judgment and his opinion |
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Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. This verse should be a clue to people who are anti-gay rights. I don't think so,, one is about a label, the other is about behavior nowhere does that line say to me that behavior and sin are no longer to be taken into account,, saying Im not giving you preference for your gender, is not the same as saying I approve of and support whatever you wish to do,,,or that I didn't create you as man and woman with different strengths , weaknesses, and purposes within family or community See that just proves that everyone interprets the verses in the Bible according to there own prejudices and beliefs. some judgemnts are right,, so are some beliefs,, What is "right" IS a judgement and an opinion. so how about sometimes people are 'correct' in their judgment like if I see a furry animal with four legs that barks and form the judgment that he is a dog,, that would probably be a CORRECT judgment if I make a judgment that its a cat , that judgment would not be correct if in fact the animal IS A DOG,, for Christians, according to the creator, what is right is right,, its HIS judgment and his opinion According to the creator? I believe that we have been given consciousness and moral senses so that we ourselves can sense (and judge) right from wrong. I think morality is part of consciousness and belongs to all conscious beings. As for identifying a furry animal as a dog or a cat, that is basically an agreement. Humans have agreed on the attributes of dogs and cats. You can disagree if you want, and you will be called "wrong" by the others who have agreed differently, but it is still just an agreement. |
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ok, we AGREE on the language and how we refer to things
we don't need to AGREE that something exists,,, |
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So many people who post here who want to preach or "spread the gospel" (according to them) have said that they do not want to have a discussion or debate about what they spew as truth. This is why I don't go to church. The preacher stands up there on his pulpit or stage and preaches what he wants or interprets to a somewhat captive audience and there is no discussion, no debate etc. If anyone dares to question the preacher they are viewed as disruptive or argumentative. Sometimes even "anti-God." How dare they question God or the Bible. News flash, that preacher is not God, and the Bible is used by hundreds of sects and religions who are at war with each other. I will question all of it. When are people going to come into their own power and start thinking for themselves and stop letting religious leaders on pulpits tell them how to think and believe? When? Remember God and that Preacher needs 10 percent of every dollar you make. |
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ok, we AGREE on the language and how we refer to things we don't need to AGREE that something exists,,, Yes, we do. Name something that exists and is called a fact that we don't agree on. Do unicorns exist? |
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So many people who post here who want to preach or "spread the gospel" (according to them) have said that they do not want to have a discussion or debate about what they spew as truth. This is why I don't go to church. The preacher stands up there on his pulpit or stage and preaches what he wants or interprets to a somewhat captive audience and there is no discussion, no debate etc. If anyone dares to question the preacher they are viewed as disruptive or argumentative. Sometimes even "anti-God." How dare they question God or the Bible. News flash, that preacher is not God, and the Bible is used by hundreds of sects and religions who are at war with each other. I will question all of it. When are people going to come into their own power and start thinking for themselves and stop letting religious leaders on pulpits tell them how to think and believe? When? This is not true everywhere.. I understand what you are saying. we have services and afterwards everyone has brought something to eat usually crock pot meals and we have a community meal. Then the kids go play and after we clean up we discuss what was said.. no question is not a good question. We encourage for you to think for yourself. To prove to yourself and if u have questions ask anyone and try to find an answer.. This is done at every Sabbath meeting. The Feast of Unleaven Bread which follows Passover is a 7 day feast where everyday anyone can question and we go over what we believe and why and anyone can have a difference of opinion.. many times the new comers are the ones who make us sit up and think because they are new and may see some things different we sit and study together asking questions for 7 days. We can not save nobody Yahshua does. Its not our job to try and save anybody but to do the will of Yahweh. Actions speak louder than words. Just believe we do not believe in. Just study to shew yourself approved is what we teach. we all learn from each other |
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when will people realize the traits of respect or mutual agreement don't equate to being 'told how to think' ?? there is not a church I have attended which doesn't have bible study time for those questions people may have should someone disrupt a card reading, spell casting, or other occasion with questions? there is a time and place, there is nothing that should be particularly disturbing or new about that fact What does my post have to do with card readings? (Those are one on one two way conversations, like therapy.) Specifically, I am referring to people here on mingle who will preach the gospel (according to them) but will not discuss or debate the reasoning of what they are preaching, and comparing it to a preacher on Sunday standing behind a pulpit preaching to a crowd. He does not want to discuss anything, he just wants to influence people to agree with him. Its why I don't go to church. "Bible Study" is a better approach, but all is still subject to the interpretation of the Church or the preacher in charge. If you don't agree with them or him, you are free to go to another church or start your own church. That is why there are so many different denominations. So preachers who say, "It's my way or the highway" are the cause of so much separation of people and religions. I agree, prechers who say its any way but the bibles way, or Gods way contribute to separation doesn't that lend itself to separation too? There's still a problem there, as Christians, no matter what denomination you subscribe to, the Bible is treated as the ULTIMATE authority on right and wrong....you cannot question it or challenge it without it coming on you as not having enough faith or whatever way you wish to put it. If that doesn't limit discussion and debate I don't know what does. How can you freely talk about the validity of something when you HAVE to agree ahead of time that what you're challenging is true as written or you are wrong? You can't. |
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when will people realize the traits of respect or mutual agreement don't equate to being 'told how to think' ?? there is not a church I have attended which doesn't have bible study time for those questions people may have should someone disrupt a card reading, spell casting, or other occasion with questions? there is a time and place, there is nothing that should be particularly disturbing or new about that fact What does my post have to do with card readings? (Those are one on one two way conversations, like therapy.) Specifically, I am referring to people here on mingle who will preach the gospel (according to them) but will not discuss or debate the reasoning of what they are preaching, and comparing it to a preacher on Sunday standing behind a pulpit preaching to a crowd. He does not want to discuss anything, he just wants to influence people to agree with him. Its why I don't go to church. "Bible Study" is a better approach, but all is still subject to the interpretation of the Church or the preacher in charge. If you don't agree with them or him, you are free to go to another church or start your own church. That is why there are so many different denominations. So preachers who say, "It's my way or the highway" are the cause of so much separation of people and religions. I agree, prechers who say its any way but the bibles way, or Gods way contribute to separation doesn't that lend itself to separation too? There's still a problem there, as Christians, no matter what denomination you subscribe to, the Bible is treated as the ULTIMATE authority on right and wrong....you cannot question it or challenge it without it coming on you as not having enough faith or whatever way you wish to put it. If that doesn't limit discussion and debate I don't know what does. How can you freely talk about the validity of something when you HAVE to agree ahead of time that what you're challenging is true as written or you are wrong? You can't. No that is not true at all. You just do not understand who they are |
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when will people realize the traits of respect or mutual agreement don't equate to being 'told how to think' ?? there is not a church I have attended which doesn't have bible study time for those questions people may have should someone disrupt a card reading, spell casting, or other occasion with questions? there is a time and place, there is nothing that should be particularly disturbing or new about that fact What does my post have to do with card readings? (Those are one on one two way conversations, like therapy.) Specifically, I am referring to people here on mingle who will preach the gospel (according to them) but will not discuss or debate the reasoning of what they are preaching, and comparing it to a preacher on Sunday standing behind a pulpit preaching to a crowd. He does not want to discuss anything, he just wants to influence people to agree with him. Its why I don't go to church. "Bible Study" is a better approach, but all is still subject to the interpretation of the Church or the preacher in charge. If you don't agree with them or him, you are free to go to another church or start your own church. That is why there are so many different denominations. So preachers who say, "It's my way or the highway" are the cause of so much separation of people and religions. I agree, prechers who say its any way but the bibles way, or Gods way contribute to separation doesn't that lend itself to separation too? There's still a problem there, as Christians, no matter what denomination you subscribe to, the Bible is treated as the ULTIMATE authority on right and wrong....you cannot question it or challenge it without it coming on you as not having enough faith or whatever way you wish to put it. If that doesn't limit discussion and debate I don't know what does. How can you freely talk about the validity of something when you HAVE to agree ahead of time that what you're challenging is true as written or you are wrong? You can't. No that is not true at all. You just do not understand who they are who who is? Christians? |
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So many people who post here who want to preach or "spread the gospel" (according to them) have said that they do not want to have a discussion or debate about what they spew as truth. This is why I don't go to church. The preacher stands up there on his pulpit or stage and preaches what he wants or interprets to a somewhat captive audience and there is no discussion, no debate etc. If anyone dares to question the preacher they are viewed as disruptive or argumentative. Sometimes even "anti-God." How dare they question God or the Bible. News flash, that preacher is not God, and the Bible is used by hundreds of sects and religions who are at war with each other. I will question all of it. When are people going to come into their own power and start thinking for themselves and stop letting religious leaders on pulpits tell them how to think and believe? When? This is not true everywhere.. I understand what you are saying. we have services and afterwards everyone has brought something to eat usually crock pot meals and we have a community meal. Then the kids go play and after we clean up we discuss what was said.. no question is not a good question. We encourage for you to think for yourself. To prove to yourself and if u have questions ask anyone and try to find an answer.. This is done at every Sabbath meeting. The Feast of Unleaven Bread which follows Passover is a 7 day feast where everyday anyone can question and we go over what we believe and why and anyone can have a difference of opinion.. many times the new comers are the ones who make us sit up and think because they are new and may see some things different we sit and study together asking questions for 7 days. We can not save nobody Yahshua does. Its not our job to try and save anybody but to do the will of Yahweh. Actions speak louder than words. Just believe we do not believe in. Just study to shew yourself approved is what we teach. we all learn from each other |
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ok, we AGREE on the language and how we refer to things we don't need to AGREE that something exists,,, Yes, we do. Name something that exists and is called a fact that we don't agree on. Do unicorns exist? all apples are fruit,, it doesn't mean all fruit is an apple we can agree that things exist, which exist,, its not the same as needing to agree it exists though,,, |
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Tue 10/29/13 05:27 AM
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when will people realize the traits of respect or mutual agreement don't equate to being 'told how to think' ?? there is not a church I have attended which doesn't have bible study time for those questions people may have should someone disrupt a card reading, spell casting, or other occasion with questions? there is a time and place, there is nothing that should be particularly disturbing or new about that fact What does my post have to do with card readings? (Those are one on one two way conversations, like therapy.) Specifically, I am referring to people here on mingle who will preach the gospel (according to them) but will not discuss or debate the reasoning of what they are preaching, and comparing it to a preacher on Sunday standing behind a pulpit preaching to a crowd. He does not want to discuss anything, he just wants to influence people to agree with him. Its why I don't go to church. "Bible Study" is a better approach, but all is still subject to the interpretation of the Church or the preacher in charge. If you don't agree with them or him, you are free to go to another church or start your own church. That is why there are so many different denominations. So preachers who say, "It's my way or the highway" are the cause of so much separation of people and religions. I agree, prechers who say its any way but the bibles way, or Gods way contribute to separation doesn't that lend itself to separation too? There's still a problem there, as Christians, no matter what denomination you subscribe to, the Bible is treated as the ULTIMATE authority on right and wrong....you cannot question it or challenge it without it coming on you as not having enough faith or whatever way you wish to put it. If that doesn't limit discussion and debate I don't know what does. How can you freely talk about the validity of something when you HAVE to agree ahead of time that what you're challenging is true as written or you are wrong? You can't. oh by George 
if you want to discuss the VALIDITY of Christ, church isn't the place for you church is for people who accept or want to learn about Christ just like school is for those trying to learn about how life works or about how to read if you want to discuss the relevance or need for reading, for instance school wont be the place to do it ,, by definition, anything we CHOOSE , is something that involves separation from those who DIDNT CHOOSE It,, CHOICE ITSELF LEADS TO SEPERATION<, its part of life,,, we can 'agree' that that's 'correct', get over it,, and move on,,, |
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That's all well and good if people kept such beliefs personal to themselves.......but that doesn't happen. Religious people tend to wield their religion like a sword, you either agree with them/live like they do, or you are wrong and cast out. This is a problem. I have no problem with people believing as they want to believe, my problem is when they use that belief to shun others who think differently.
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That's all well and good if people kept such beliefs personal to themselves.......but that doesn't happen. Religious people tend to wield their religion like a sword, you either agree with them/live like they do, or you are wrong and cast out. This is a problem. I have no problem with people believing as they want to believe, my problem is when they use that belief to shun others who think differently. its only a problem if it prevents one from living , making a livelihood, receiving justice,, etc,,, otherwise, its life, that people will choose who they wish to associate with or not,, based upon similar interests or beliefs,,, |
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ok, we AGREE on the language and how we refer to things we don't need to AGREE that something exists,,, Yes, we do. Name something that exists and is called a fact that we don't agree on. Do unicorns exist? all apples are fruit,, it doesn't mean all fruit is an apple we can agree that things exist, which exist,, its not the same as needing to agree it exists though,,, The agreement is on a spiritual level, it is not on the mental level you are thinking about. I don't think I will be able to explain this to you because you are all about the mental level of agreement. We are consciousness and we share awareness and we are all connected. We are all one being and one consciousness. Reality is a co-creation and we all take part in that creation. |
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So many people who post here who want to preach or "spread the gospel" (according to them) have said that they do not want to have a discussion or debate about what they spew as truth. This is why I don't go to church. The preacher stands up there on his pulpit or stage and preaches what he wants or interprets to a somewhat captive audience and there is no discussion, no debate etc. If anyone dares to question the preacher they are viewed as disruptive or argumentative. Sometimes even "anti-God." How dare they question God or the Bible. News flash, that preacher is not God, and the Bible is used by hundreds of sects and religions who are at war with each other. I will question all of it. When are people going to come into their own power and start thinking for themselves and stop letting religious leaders on pulpits tell them how to think and believe? When? This is not true everywhere.. I understand what you are saying. we have services and afterwards everyone has brought something to eat usually crock pot meals and we have a community meal. Then the kids go play and after we clean up we discuss what was said.. no question is not a good question. We encourage for you to think for yourself. To prove to yourself and if u have questions ask anyone and try to find an answer.. This is done at every Sabbath meeting. The Feast of Unleaven Bread which follows Passover is a 7 day feast where everyday anyone can question and we go over what we believe and why and anyone can have a difference of opinion.. many times the new comers are the ones who make us sit up and think because they are new and may see some things different we sit and study together asking questions for 7 days. We can not save nobody Yahshua does. Its not our job to try and save anybody but to do the will of Yahweh. Actions speak louder than words. Just believe we do not believe in. Just study to shew yourself approved is what we teach. we all learn from each other that is not true either maybe in a lot of faiths but not mine. yes we have a doctrine of faith which we believe in and we look at it every year for 7 days the whole congregation to see if we have misunderstood something. Yahwists are not Christians yet we read the same bible. |
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every year for only 7 days?
I look at my doctrine every single day and re-evaluate my beliefs with every bit of new enlightenment or information I receive. |
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every year for only 7 days? I look at my doctrine every single day and re-evaluate my beliefs with every bit of new enlightenment or information I receive. I also said before then that every Sabbath we do the same thing. During the feast of Unleaven bread we study the basics of our faith. This is a 7 day feast 24/7 some stay up all night studying a point. usually during this 7 days for 5 to 7 hours people choose to come together with the elders to discuss anything someone may believe is wrong or do not understand. People desire to learn its not a social club. We know that we have much to learn and their is safety in numbers and numbers studying and discussing shows the desire of these people to want to know all they can know. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. You will not find this in very many faiths. It is easier to Just Believe. go to sunday school and church go home and forget everything u heard. Most sermons you will find out in most churches are just a few verses. Most people believe or want to believe all they have to do is show up once in a while in church and they are saved. Anyone who claims the bible is the word of Yahweh and does not desire to learn everything they can and then believe eternity is for them. they are saved will get a huge awaking. You can not do that with your job or u will be fired. Yahweh fires people also because they don't even know what they believe. That's the preachers job. that's sad. its everyones job who believes for sure |
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Choice of what to believe is free but the consequence is inevitable.Wish you well
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Choice of what to believe is free but the consequence is inevitable.Wish you well sure glad you call it Freedom! 
Others would call it Catch-22! 
Some Freedom in:"You either believe in God(Whatever The Preacher Tells you),or he will punish the crap out of you"! 
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