If one is thinking relatively in regards to what one knows in the relative world, of course one might be surprised of supernatural if supernatural is not out of the relative world. Just because certain concepts differ than ideas of secular and Atheistic ideas, one should not disregard understandings of higher importance. One cannot prove that no God exists. Can you oppose? In fact, even in the natural world, patterns are found which apear to be indications that Intelligent Design is real. Doth DNA ring a bell? Might I add, people including Kepler and Newton have been thought of perhaps as scientific building stones /cornerstones inside the community of science. The pursuit of science might have been labeled as a pursuit of a "Divine" understanding and a pursuit of an Intelligent Creator's handiwork. If you want to discredit what early scientists said, your choice is your own. But please note that the existence of the universe might seem to contradict one's idea of relativity...in links to the world. Just because one doesn't see God, an assumption that He doesn't exist would be assuming foolishly. As a poster said, humans have limited knowledge. As a theologian Thomas Aquinas once might have stated or implied: "in order for something to move (in the world) something must be moved by a mover." Also, to claim that the very first movement in the universe happened without a first movement being given, would one not be claiming an illogical idea? And how about the BB theory? If matter and energy never existed, how would have energy or matter have come to be? And if life never existed, does life really come alive from non-living matter? Looking up is not stupid...

Please note: No matter how many series videos you watched, and no matter how many collge courses Iv taken..fact remains.

I mean not to argue with a negative attitude, but perhaps to clearify a point.

If one is thinking relatively in regards to what one knows in the relative world, of course one might be surprised of supernatural if supernatural is not out of the relative world. Just because certain concepts differ than ideas of secular and Atheistic ideas, one should not disregard understandings of higher importance. One cannot prove that no God exists. Can you oppose? In fact, even in the natural world, patterns are found which apear to be indications that Intelligent Design is real. Doth DNA ring a bell? Might I add, people including Kepler and Newton have been thought of perhaps as scientific building stones /cornerstones inside the community of science. The pursuit of science might have been labeled as a pursuit of a "Divine" understanding and a pursuit of an Intelligent Creator's handiwork. If you want to discredit what early scientists said, your choice is your own. But please note that the existence of the universe might seem to contradict one's idea of relativity...in links to the world. Just because one doesn't see God, an assumption that He doesn't exist would be assuming foolishly. As a poster said, humans have limited knowledge. As a theologian Thomas Aquinas once might have stated or implied: "in order for something to move (in the world) something must be moved by a mover." Also, to claim that the very first movement in the universe happened without a first movement being given, would one not be claiming an illogical idea? And how about the BB theory? If matter and energy never existed, how would have energy or matter have come to be? And if life never existed, does life really come alive from non-living matter? Looking up is not stupid...

Please note: No matter how many series videos you watched, and no matter how many collge courses Iv taken..fact remains.

I mean not to argue with a negative attitude, but perhaps to clearify a point.

OH my goodness, let's take the pragmatist's approach and end this shall we? Let's first define 'religion' and apply it to this particular debate. Hopefully when this is over, we'll have one more thing to be thankful for today: the end of this dumb thread.

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Here you might say, "But you said they could have that knowledge! Surely God will give them that!" Now we jump into the realm of uncertain assumptions. As a believer myself, I do believe everyone will have the opportunity to know the most important truths, but who the hell are we to say when that is? Do you know how many billions have died without knowing a thing about Christianity as you've defined it? What about them? Will you condemn billions both living and dead for experiences they've never had, for not taking an interest in the beliefs of a group of people who have become characterized by many evil things as well as good? People will know when they will know, in this life or the next, the most important thing for a person like you or I is not to ramble listlessly about the nature truth that our own understanding is so hugely limited in and to sit in God's throne and make His calls. As Jeannie has so aptly put more than once, the ultimate purpose, the real call of the Christians ought to be one of love.

Have you noticed what this thread is sickeningly absent of Uchea? =(

So Atheism is not a religion, but a paradigm, and a very natural one. So let's leave each other be and get to the respective things we find most important.

And let's pretend this thread never existed and have a bloody happy thanksgiving eh?

Cheers everyone,

Mark

I think of religion of being an organized group, gathering together to worship together. I have never seen atheists gathering together to worship not believing. Personally; as an atheists; I don't even think about religion, religious groups, or believing in anything. I So, I am not seeing how this is a religion.