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Topic: Obamacare: The GOP's Waterloo
Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Fri 10/04/13 12:46 PM
Right now, we are witnessing an epic battle for the future of this country. And depending on how this battle turns out, America will either fulfill the ideals of its founders and become a society that works for everyone or surrender to the billionaire hustlers who want to destroy everything the Founders stood for. The origins of this existential battle are pretty simple. Throughout this country's history, believers in two different visions of what American society should be have duked it out over every single aspect of public policy. On the one hand, there is the vision of America as a "we society," a society that recognizes certain things, like health care or education, as basic rights, and agrees to provide these things in common to everyone, regardless of race or class. This vision was shared by most of the founding fathers and by people like president Franklin Roosevelt, who proposed a Second Bill of Rights in his 1944 State of the Union address that would have made economic rights like education, housing, and Social Security protected under the Constitution just like the rights to free speech. "We society" Americans believe that we're all in this together and want to create a country that ensures that everyone can, if they wish, enjoy "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." They believe the best way to do this is to use government to regulate business and to provide things, like healthcare, that the free-market makes too expensive for everyday people to afford. The other vision of society that has shaped this country's history sees America as a "me" society. Believers in "me society" America, like the Tea Party's favorite "philosopher" Ayn Rand, want individuals to get as much wealth as possible, even if doing so comes at the expense of the economy, the country, and even the planet. The best way to do this, believers in a "me" society say, is to shrink government and let private enterprise or private charities provide services, like education or healthcare, that everyone needs to survive. The richest .01 of Americans are natural defenders of a "me society." That's because doing so works to their benefit, and they frankly don't give a damn about the rest of us. If they get sick, they can afford the best hospitals; if they have a kid, they can send them to the best schools. All they really care about is protecting their wealth, and they do so by lobbying for policies that deregulate big business and big banks. Today, the difference between "me society" and "we society" America is probably best represented by two wealthy donors: George Soros and David Koch. Both men are multi-billionaires, but use their wealth to fund organizations with very different values and goals. While Soros sends money to groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Council of La Raza, groups that ensure that our country provides equal opportunities for all, Koch and his brother Charles send their money to groups like the Heartland Institute and Mackinac Center, groups that work to dismantle protections for middle-class Americans and lobby for policies that benefit the corporate elite. Soros donates to programs which cut into the power of the wealthy and improve the lot of average read the rest at Americans; the Kochs donate to programs which increase the power of the .01 percent. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/51962/obamacare-the-gops-waterloo

sybariticguy Joined Thu 09/27/12 Posts: 1639	Fri 10/04/13 01:45 PM
Right now, we are witnessing an epic battle for the future of this country. And depending on how this battle turns out, America will either fulfill the ideals of its founders and become a society that works for everyone or surrender to the billionaire hustlers who want to destroy everything the Founders stood for. The origins of this existential battle are pretty simple. Throughout this country's history, believers in two different visions of what American society should be have duked it out over every single aspect of public policy. On the one hand, there is the vision of America as a "we society," a society that recognizes certain things, like health care or education, as basic rights, and agrees to provide these things in common to everyone, regardless of race or class. This vision was shared by most of the founding fathers and by people like president Franklin Roosevelt, who proposed a Second Bill of Rights in his 1944 State of the Union address that would have made economic rights like education, housing, and Social Security protected under the Constitution just like the rights to free speech. "We society" Americans believe that we're all in this together and want to create a country that ensures that everyone can, if they wish, enjoy "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." They believe the best way to do this is to use government to regulate business and to provide things, like healthcare, that the free-market makes too expensive for everyday people to afford. The other vision of society that has shaped this country's history sees America as a "me" society. Believers in "me society" America, like the Tea Party's favorite "philosopher" Ayn Rand, want individuals to get as much wealth as possible, even if doing so comes at the expense of the economy, the country, and even the planet. The best way to do this, believers in a "me" society say, is to shrink government and let private enterprise or private charities provide services, like education or healthcare, that everyone needs to survive. The richest .01 of Americans are natural defenders of a "me society." That's because doing so works to their benefit, and they frankly don't give a damn about the rest of us. If they get sick, they can afford the best hospitals; if they have a kid, they can send them to the best schools. All they really care about is protecting their wealth, and they do so by lobbying for policies that deregulate big business and big banks. Today, the difference between "me society" and "we society" America is probably best represented by two wealthy donors: George Soros and David Koch. Both men are multi-billionaires, but use their wealth to fund organizations with very different values and goals. While Soros sends money to groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Council of La Raza, groups that ensure that our country provides equal opportunities for all, Koch and his brother Charles send their money to groups like the Heartland Institute and Mackinac Center, groups that work to dismantle protections for middle-class Americans and lobby for policies that benefit the corporate elite. Soros donates to programs which cut into the power of the wealthy and improve the lot of average read the rest at Americans; the Kochs donate to programs which increase the power of the .01 percent. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/51962/obamacare-the-gops-waterloo Simplistic Reductionism sounds good but is not accurate!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Fri 10/04/13 01:59 PM Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 10/04/13 02:01 PM
Right now, we are witnessing an epic battle for the future of this country. And depending on how this battle turns out, America will either fulfill the ideals of its founders and become a society that works for everyone or surrender to the billionaire hustlers who want to destroy everything the Founders stood for. The origins of this existential battle are pretty simple. Throughout this country's history, believers in two different visions of what American society should be have duked it out over every single aspect of public policy. On the one hand, there is the vision of America as a "we society," a society that recognizes certain things, like health care or education, as basic rights, and agrees to provide these things in common to everyone, regardless of race or class. This vision was shared by most of the founding fathers and by people like president Franklin Roosevelt, who proposed a Second Bill of Rights in his 1944 State of the Union address that would have made economic rights like education, housing, and Social Security protected under the Constitution just like the rights to free speech. "We society" Americans believe that we're all in this together and want to create a country that ensures that everyone can, if they wish, enjoy "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." They believe the best way to do this is to use government to regulate business and to provide things, like healthcare, that the free-market makes too expensive for everyday people to afford. The other vision of society that has shaped this country's history sees America as a "me" society. Believers in "me society" America, like the Tea Party's favorite "philosopher" Ayn Rand, want individuals to get as much wealth as possible, even if doing so comes at the expense of the economy, the country, and even the planet. The best way to do this, believers in a "me" society say, is to shrink government and let private enterprise or private charities provide services, like education or healthcare, that everyone needs to survive. The richest .01 of Americans are natural defenders of a "me society." That's because doing so works to their benefit, and they frankly don't give a damn about the rest of us. If they get sick, they can afford the best hospitals; if they have a kid, they can send them to the best schools. All they really care about is protecting their wealth, and they do so by lobbying for policies that deregulate big business and big banks. Today, the difference between "me society" and "we society" America is probably best represented by two wealthy donors: George Soros and David Koch. Both men are multi-billionaires, but use their wealth to fund organizations with very different values and goals. While Soros sends money to groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Council of La Raza, groups that ensure that our country provides equal opportunities for all, Koch and his brother Charles send their money to groups like the Heartland Institute and Mackinac Center, groups that work to dismantle protections for middle-class Americans and lobby for policies that benefit the corporate elite. Soros donates to programs which cut into the power of the wealthy and improve the lot of average read the rest at Americans; the Kochs donate to programs which increase the power of the .01 percent. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/51962/obamacare-the-gops-waterloo George Soros,the Friend of America! Couldn't find a lesser Sleazebag? Smirking Chimp is waxing ridiculous!

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Fri 10/04/13 03:14 PM
Right now, we are witnessing an epic battle for the future of this country. And depending on how this battle turns out, America will either fulfill the ideals of its founders and become a society that works for everyone or surrender to the billionaire hustlers who want to destroy everything the Founders stood for. The origins of this existential battle are pretty simple. Throughout this country's history, believers in two different visions of what American society should be have duked it out over every single aspect of public policy. On the one hand, there is the vision of America as a "we society," a society that recognizes certain things, like health care or education, as basic rights, and agrees to provide these things in common to everyone, regardless of race or class. This vision was shared by most of the founding fathers and by people like president Franklin Roosevelt, who proposed a Second Bill of Rights in his 1944 State of the Union address that would have made economic rights like education, housing, and Social Security protected under the Constitution just like the rights to free speech. "We society" Americans believe that we're all in this together and want to create a country that ensures that everyone can, if they wish, enjoy "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." They believe the best way to do this is to use government to regulate business and to provide things, like healthcare, that the free-market makes too expensive for everyday people to afford. The other vision of society that has shaped this country's history sees America as a "me" society. Believers in "me society" America, like the Tea Party's favorite "philosopher" Ayn Rand, want individuals to get as much wealth as possible, even if doing so comes at the expense of the economy, the country, and even the planet. The best way to do this, believers in a "me" society say, is to shrink government and let private enterprise or private charities provide services, like education or healthcare, that everyone needs to survive. The richest .01 of Americans are natural defenders of a "me society." That's because doing so works to their benefit, and they frankly don't give a damn about the rest of us. If they get sick, they can afford the best hospitals; if they have a kid, they can send them to the best schools. All they really care about is protecting their wealth, and they do so by lobbying for policies that deregulate big business and big banks. Today, the difference between "me society" and "we society" America is probably best represented by two wealthy donors: George Soros and David Koch. Both men are multi-billionaires, but use their wealth to fund organizations with very different values and goals. While Soros sends money to groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Council of La Raza, groups that ensure that our country provides equal opportunities for all, Koch and his brother Charles send their money to groups like the Heartland Institute and Mackinac Center, groups that work to dismantle protections for middle-class Americans and lobby for policies that benefit the corporate elite. Soros donates to programs which cut into the power of the wealthy and improve the lot of average read the rest at Americans; the Kochs donate to programs which increase the power of the .01 percent. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/51962/obamacare-the-gops-waterloo George Soros,the Friend of America! Couldn't find a lesser Sleazebag? Smirking Chimp is waxing ridiculous! As usual Mr Conrad you contribute nothing to the conversation but childishness. Please tell us your first hand experience with the healthcare in Switzerland.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48990	Fri 10/04/13 08:43 PM
...you contribute nothing to the conversation but childishness As if the OP of this thread were any better.

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Sat 10/05/13 03:24 AM
...you contribute nothing to the conversation but childishness As if the OP of this thread were any better.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 10/05/13 03:44 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 10/05/13 04:37 AM
Right now, we are witnessing an epic battle for the future of this country. And depending on how this battle turns out, America will either fulfill the ideals of its founders and become a society that works for everyone or surrender to the billionaire hustlers who want to destroy everything the Founders stood for. The origins of this existential battle are pretty simple. Throughout this country's history, believers in two different visions of what American society should be have duked it out over every single aspect of public policy. On the one hand, there is the vision of America as a "we society," a society that recognizes certain things, like health care or education, as basic rights, and agrees to provide these things in common to everyone, regardless of race or class. This vision was shared by most of the founding fathers and by people like president Franklin Roosevelt, who proposed a Second Bill of Rights in his 1944 State of the Union address that would have made economic rights like education, housing, and Social Security protected under the Constitution just like the rights to free speech. "We society" Americans believe that we're all in this together and want to create a country that ensures that everyone can, if they wish, enjoy "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." They believe the best way to do this is to use government to regulate business and to provide things, like healthcare, that the free-market makes too expensive for everyday people to afford. The other vision of society that has shaped this country's history sees America as a "me" society. Believers in "me society" America, like the Tea Party's favorite "philosopher" Ayn Rand, want individuals to get as much wealth as possible, even if doing so comes at the expense of the economy, the country, and even the planet. The best way to do this, believers in a "me" society say, is to shrink government and let private enterprise or private charities provide services, like education or healthcare, that everyone needs to survive. The richest .01 of Americans are natural defenders of a "me society." That's because doing so works to their benefit, and they frankly don't give a damn about the rest of us. If they get sick, they can afford the best hospitals; if they have a kid, they can send them to the best schools. All they really care about is protecting their wealth, and they do so by lobbying for policies that deregulate big business and big banks. Today, the difference between "me society" and "we society" America is probably best represented by two wealthy donors: George Soros and David Koch. Both men are multi-billionaires, but use their wealth to fund organizations with very different values and goals. While Soros sends money to groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Council of La Raza, groups that ensure that our country provides equal opportunities for all, Koch and his brother Charles send their money to groups like the Heartland Institute and Mackinac Center, groups that work to dismantle protections for middle-class Americans and lobby for policies that benefit the corporate elite. Soros donates to programs which cut into the power of the wealthy and improve the lot of average read the rest at Americans; the Kochs donate to programs which increase the power of the .01 percent. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/51962/obamacare-the-gops-waterloo George Soros,the Friend of America! Couldn't find a lesser Sleazebag? Smirking Chimp is waxing ridiculous! As usual Mr Conrad you contribute nothing to the conversation but childishness. Please tell us your first hand experience with the healthcare in Switzerland. you really need to read up what that Idiot Soros is all about,out of his own mouth! Seems to me you agree with his goals of Globalism and a Global Government! As to the Healthcare I am getting here! Owawacare will never be able to touch it!Owawa-care is about Power,NOT about Healthcare! But I am really surprised that you agree with Soros' Globalist Dreams!What's in it for you? He is hellbent to destroy the US if he gets his way! And that is by his own admission! Actually I find it quite funny that you are defending someone whose aim is to destroy the USA! BTW,why don't you sign up for Obamacare? Obamacare... "The salesman thanks the customer for patronizing his shop and asks him to come again. But the socialists say: Be grateful to Hitler, render thanks to Stalin; be nice and submissive, then the great man will be kind to you later too." ~Ludwig von Mises

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 10/05/13 03:52 AM
Defending the Felon George Soros,who ruined all sorts of poor Countries! Now I heard it all!

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 10/05/13 01:01 PM
Defending the Felon George Soros,who ruined all sorts of poor Countries! Now I heard it all! Please tell me what countries and how he did it please.

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Sat 10/05/13 02:56 PM
Just FYI... Canada 2010 Marginal Tax Rates Alberta (AB) 39.00% British Columbia (BC) 43.70% Manitoba (MB) 46.40% New Brunswick (NB) 43.30% Newfoundland & Labrador (NL) 43.40% Nova Scotia (NS) 50.00% Prince Edward Island (PE) 47.37% Ontario (ON) 46.41% Qu�bec (QC) 48.22% Saskatchewan (SK) 44.00% Northwest Territories (NT) 43.05% Nunavut (NU) 40.50% Yukon (YT) 42.40% Universal health care don't come free you know. Switzerland has about the same tax rates if you want to look it up and yes, they have universal health care too. I think we're all doomed but we need something, what do we do?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 10/05/13 03:29 PM
Defending the Felon George Soros,who ruined all sorts of poor Countries! Now I heard it all! Please tell me what countries and how he did it please. Look your felonious Friend up yourself! I ain't got time for that Sleazebag!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 10/05/13 03:31 PM Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 10/05/13 03:52 PM
Just FYI... Canada 2010 Marginal Tax Rates Alberta (AB) 39.00% British Columbia (BC) 43.70% Manitoba (MB) 46.40% New Brunswick (NB) 43.30% Newfoundland & Labrador (NL) 43.40% Nova Scotia (NS) 50.00% Prince Edward Island (PE) 47.37% Ontario (ON) 46.41% Qu�bec (QC) 48.22% Saskatchewan (SK) 44.00% Northwest Territories (NT) 43.05% Nunavut (NU) 40.50% Yukon (YT) 42.40% Universal health care don't come free you know. Switzerland has about the same tax rates if you want to look it up and yes, they have universal health care too. I think we're all doomed but we need something, what do we do? I'd say we are off quite a bit better than the US will ever be under Obamacare! The Government is not a "Partner" in Swiss Healthcare! It's between me,my Doctor and my Insurance-Company! The Government set down the Framework,and that was it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/ Obamacare is a Powergrab plain and simple! Cronyism at it's best! It's raining exemptions! Just ask Pelosi!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 10/05/13 03:35 PM Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 10/05/13 04:16 PM
Right now, we are witnessing an epic battle for the future of this country. And depending on how this battle turns out, America will either fulfill the ideals of its founders and become a society that works for everyone or surrender to the billionaire hustlers who want to destroy everything the Founders stood for. The origins of this existential battle are pretty simple. Throughout this country's history, believers in two different visions of what American society should be have duked it out over every single aspect of public policy. On the one hand, there is the vision of America as a "we society," a society that recognizes certain things, like health care or education, as basic rights, and agrees to provide these things in common to everyone, regardless of race or class. This vision was shared by most of the founding fathers and by people like president Franklin Roosevelt, who proposed a Second Bill of Rights in his 1944 State of the Union address that would have made economic rights like education, housing, and Social Security protected under the Constitution just like the rights to free speech. "We society" Americans believe that we're all in this together and want to create a country that ensures that everyone can, if they wish, enjoy "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." They believe the best way to do this is to use government to regulate business and to provide things, like healthcare, that the free-market makes too expensive for everyday people to afford. The other vision of society that has shaped this country's history sees America as a "me" society. Believers in "me society" America, like the Tea Party's favorite "philosopher" Ayn Rand, want individuals to get as much wealth as possible, even if doing so comes at the expense of the economy, the country, and even the planet. The best way to do this, believers in a "me" society say, is to shrink government and let private enterprise or private charities provide services, like education or healthcare, that everyone needs to survive. The richest .01 of Americans are natural defenders of a "me society." That's because doing so works to their benefit, and they frankly don't give a damn about the rest of us. If they get sick, they can afford the best hospitals; if they have a kid, they can send them to the best schools. All they really care about is protecting their wealth, and they do so by lobbying for policies that deregulate big business and big banks. Today, the difference between "me society" and "we society" America is probably best represented by two wealthy donors: George Soros and David Koch. Both men are multi-billionaires, but use their wealth to fund organizations with very different values and goals. While Soros sends money to groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Council of La Raza, groups that ensure that our country provides equal opportunities for all, Koch and his brother Charles send their money to groups like the Heartland Institute and Mackinac Center, groups that work to dismantle protections for middle-class Americans and lobby for policies that benefit the corporate elite. Soros donates to programs which cut into the power of the wealthy and improve the lot of average read the rest at Americans; the Kochs donate to programs which increase the power of the .01 percent. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/51962/obamacare-the-gops-waterloo you really need to have a good hard look at Groups like La Razza and other Groups supported by Soros! Do you hate the Conservatives that much ,that you make common cause with Groups hellbent to destroy the US? And you really expect me to take you seriously? Sad!

Mortman Joined Tue 05/01/12 Posts: 1885	Sat 10/05/13 04:25 PM
Defending the Felon George Soros,who ruined all sorts of poor Countries! Now I heard it all! Trading on the foreign exchange isn't a crime, and it didn't cause those countries' currencies to fail. It takes more than a few $billion to wreck a country's economy. The dirty little secret is that many of the GOP's biggest donors also trade the same currencies, and would've happily taken those same trades that Soros took, if they could.

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Sat 10/05/13 05:10 PM
Defending the Felon George Soros,who ruined all sorts of poor Countries! Now I heard it all! Trading on the foreign exchange isn't a crime, and it didn't cause those countries' currencies to fail. It takes more than a few $billion to wreck a country's economy. The dirty little secret is that many of the GOP's biggest donors also trade the same currencies, and would've happily taken those same trades that Soros took, if they could. So, it all comes back to the EVIL GOP?

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 10/06/13 06:11 AM Edited by Bestinshow on Sun 10/06/13 07:03 AM
Defending the Felon George Soros,who ruined all sorts of poor Countries! Now I heard it all! Please tell me what countries and how he did it please. Look your felonious Friend up yourself! I ain't got time for that Sleazebag! Well your wild claim of Soros ruining all sorts of poor countries cannot be found. IF a person wishes to have reality based thinking one would have to take note of all the "poor" countries the US in general has destroyed or ruined, or if we prefer the propaganda term, "liberated".

boredinaz06 Joined Sun 10/15/06 Posts: 22764	Sun 10/06/13 11:25 AM
La Raza eh, why not support WAR and Aryan Nation while he's at it!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 10/08/13 03:12 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 10/08/13 03:25 AM
Defending the Felon George Soros,who ruined all sorts of poor Countries! Now I heard it all! Please tell me what countries and how he did it please. Look your felonious Friend up yourself! I ain't got time for that Sleazebag! Well your wild claim of Soros ruining all sorts of poor countries cannot be found. IF a person wishes to have reality based thinking one would have to take note of all the "poor" countries the US in general has destroyed or ruined, or if we prefer the propaganda term, "liberated". well,looks like you're scared to look for the misdeed of Saint Soros! Guess you prefer not to know what the Felon is up to,otherwise you'd have done some Research other than Soros' Selfgrandifications! Your Worldview would collapse if you'd go and find out what the Sleazebag is really up to!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 10/08/13 03:14 AM
Right now, we are witnessing an epic battle for the future of this country. And depending on how this battle turns out, America will either fulfill the ideals of its founders and become a society that works for everyone or surrender to the billionaire hustlers who want to destroy everything the Founders stood for. The origins of this existential battle are pretty simple. Throughout this country's history, believers in two different visions of what American society should be have duked it out over every single aspect of public policy. On the one hand, there is the vision of America as a "we society," a society that recognizes certain things, like health care or education, as basic rights, and agrees to provide these things in common to everyone, regardless of race or class. This vision was shared by most of the founding fathers and by people like president Franklin Roosevelt, who proposed a Second Bill of Rights in his 1944 State of the Union address that would have made economic rights like education, housing, and Social Security protected under the Constitution just like the rights to free speech. "We society" Americans believe that we're all in this together and want to create a country that ensures that everyone can, if they wish, enjoy "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." They believe the best way to do this is to use government to regulate business and to provide things, like healthcare, that the free-market makes too expensive for everyday people to afford. The other vision of society that has shaped this country's history sees America as a "me" society. Believers in "me society" America, like the Tea Party's favorite "philosopher" Ayn Rand, want individuals to get as much wealth as possible, even if doing so comes at the expense of the economy, the country, and even the planet. The best way to do this, believers in a "me" society say, is to shrink government and let private enterprise or private charities provide services, like education or healthcare, that everyone needs to survive. The richest .01 of Americans are natural defenders of a "me society." That's because doing so works to their benefit, and they frankly don't give a damn about the rest of us. If they get sick, they can afford the best hospitals; if they have a kid, they can send them to the best schools. All they really care about is protecting their wealth, and they do so by lobbying for policies that deregulate big business and big banks. Today, the difference between "me society" and "we society" America is probably best represented by two wealthy donors: George Soros and David Koch. Both men are multi-billionaires, but use their wealth to fund organizations with very different values and goals. While Soros sends money to groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Council of La Raza, groups that ensure that our country provides equal opportunities for all, Koch and his brother Charles send their money to groups like the Heartland Institute and Mackinac Center, groups that work to dismantle protections for middle-class Americans and lobby for policies that benefit the corporate elite. Soros donates to programs which cut into the power of the wealthy and improve the lot of average read the rest at Americans; the Kochs donate to programs which increase the power of the .01 percent. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/51962/obamacare-the-gops-waterloo Marxist-Drivel at it's worst!

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Tue 10/08/13 06:54 AM
SNL Skit: "We Did Stop" Featuring John Boehner and Michele Bachmann- Hilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik1bdoufPt0&feature=youtube_gdata_player