As for the OP an average of 328 means that in some states they are getting it for less than a hundred a month. Insurance companies are the reason for the differences. Congresscare has nothing to do with their prices.

Oh, and there aren't any waiting lines now? My daughter needed an X ray the other day, had to wait 3 hours!
I think things will improve tremendously in the States when it comes to healthcare. About bluddy time too!


Under the law, the plans must offer a basic set of benefits, including mental health and maternity care, which previously were not included in many private plans. Insurers are also forbidden from rejecting or charging people more because of preexisting conditions.

No maternity care? I mean, NO maternity care? That sounds 3rd world country to me.
ANd if ppl can now be rejected or charged more because of preexisting conditions, no wonder so many ppl in the States don't have health insurance.

I think a few years from now you will all be very happy with this new system. THis type of system has proven it's effectiveness yonks ago (in other countries).

She had to wait 3 hours! Bloody hell! I had an MRI yesterday and had to wait one day. I was pizzed! Bloody hell!

"Under the law, the plans must offer a basic set of benefits, including mental health and maternity care, which previously were not included in many private plans. Insurers are also forbidden from rejecting or charging people more because of preexisting conditions.

No maternity care? I mean, NO maternity care? That sounds 3rd world country to me.
ANd if ppl can now be rejected or charged more because of preexisting conditions, no wonder so many ppl in the States don't have health insurance".

This should bring down the prices, especially when the mass of illegals
with no healthcare start using it. I can visualize the waiting rooms now..bloody hell!

If you think it is bad now,wait until ALL of it is implemented!

Thankfully the VA sent me a letter telling me they would still provide my care and I didn't need the AFA for it.

I have to admit, yes, the for-profit system we have developed is a scam. Yes, there are too many people lining their pockets on a system that seems to bleed from average person.

I agree that health insurance, in general, was a terrible idea economically. It adds too much red tape, and now there are hundreds of thousands of workers that are providing no actual benefit, but are now collecting money from the average person.

In fact, there are a few doctors offices, and clinics who refuse government insurance, and many of them refuse all insurance unless the bill is catastrophic. The resulting bill paid for these clinics is about $40 for a doctor visit (you can often make the visit on the day of scheduling).

So yes, I agree, something needs to be done...

That being said; I have a few issues with the new healthcare plan...

First of which is forcing doctors offices and clinics to accept payment via insurance. This, by itself, would either severely jack up the prices at all the cheaper, more efficient clinics/offices mentioned above, or shut them down.

Second of which are the taxes that are being placed on medical equipment/supplies/etc. This would also have an affect of increasing cost of care, forcing people to use insurance more often.

Third, which may or may not be the case, is the potential for increasing that infamous "red tape" that gums up our system and further increases costs, while at the same time, lowers quality of care as physicians spend several hours a work day filling paperwork instead of treating patients.

I also have a fear. As we attempt to bleed those that are lining their pockets, they keep getting richer and doctors are now taking pay cuts. I see this happening as we speak. Doctors are getting laid off or take a cut in pay, while the hospital CEO gets a $200,000 bonus this year, on top of his already seven figure income.

Doctors, even at $200,000 a year, are very under paid. If we don't make provisions to protect them from blanket policies that go after those that actually do get overpaid, then our entire system will come crashing down around us over the next decade or so.

The Liberty and Freedom Foundation
OBAMACARE DESIGNED TO CREATE 21 MILLION UNION JOBS -
Well we now know why Obama was in such a rush to Socialize America's health care industry...because his union buddies wanted to snatch up health care workers into their machine. It is all about money. It seems a deal was struck between Obama and Dennis Rivera of the SEIU, who later became Obama’s point man in putting together the coalition to pass ObamaCare. A new book reveals their plot and why it was so important to pass Obamacare for the SEIU. Currently only 10% of healthcare workers are unionized, under Obamacare, a joint labor-management training and job placement initiatives, and consortiums involving nursing school, community colleges and worker organizations [i.e., labor unions] are going to be pushed, which forces unionization. For every million additional health care workers unionized in the 27 non-right-to-work states, the unions would reap $1 billion in dues. So it was all just about money!! Unbelievable. But that is the real Barack H. Obama.

Apparently the average monthly cost for a person in Texas with diabetes and hypertension is about $600.

Tort reform, which was never implemented, would go a long way to help the doctors. Their insurance for this liability is astronomical.

OH! BLOODY HELL!I think in a few years from now will all be very happy with this new system. THis type of system has proven it's effectiveness years ago (in other countries). I cant wait to be behind a mother of 5 kids born in the USA and learn to say. Habla espanyol? no? Uh, is that feces you have? Oh, ok great, no I havent had my Feces checked for tuberqulosis latey. Cough, cough.

The kids filed back into class Monday morning. They were very excited.
Their weekend assignment was to sell something, then give a talk on
Productive salesmanship.

Little Sally led off: "I sold girl scout cookies and I made $30," she said
Proudly, "My sales approach was to appeal to the customer's civil spirit and
I credit that approach for my obvious success." "Very good," said the teacher.

Little Jenny was next:
"I sold magazines," she said, "I made $45 and I explained to everyone that
Magazines would keep them up on current events."
"Very good, Jenny," said the teacher..

Eventually, it was Little Johnny's turn.

The teacher held her breath ...
Little Johnny walked to the front of the classroom and dumped a box full of
Cash on the teacher's desk. "$2,467," he said.
"$2,467!" cried the teacher, "What in the world were you selling?"
"Toothbrushes," said Little Johnny.
"How could you possibly sell enough tooth brushes to make that much money?"

"I found the busiest corner in town," said Little Johnny, "I set up a Dip & Chip stand and gave everybody who walked by a free sample."
They all said the same thing, "Hey, this tastes like dog ****!"
Then I would say,"It is dog ****. Wanna buy a toothbrush?"
"I used the governmental approach of giving you something shitty for free, and then making you pay to get the sh*tty taste out of your mouth."

I sure hope they ain't gonna make you all buy plenty of Tooth-brushes to get the taste of Obamacare out of your mouths!

yep,ten,nine....................one.................Oh Crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great points for sure

Are you happy with the way things are now? Many employers not providing health insurance and many Americans being denied when trying to get individual plans?

no, Im not happy with it , many rent happy with it

but the issue is many are relying on talking points and pundits than trying to research FACTS and DATA to figure it out,,,,


as far as this thread is concerned a 328 premium (im figuring this is for individual coverage) per month, is 3936 per year

what some don't seem to realize is how long premiums have been going up in this country, WITHOUT THE COVERAGE reform mandates,,,

from the Kaiser foundation:

2000 $2,471

2001 $2,689

2002 $3,083

2003 $3,383

2004 $3,695

2005 $4,024

2006 $4,242

2007 $4,479

2008 $4,704

2009 $4,824


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2009-09-15-insurance-costs_N.htm


and now because (corporate) insurance companies are now being forced to offer better coverage, they and their lobbyists and political allies are trying hard to fight it by making the insane allegation that somehow an increase in premiums is going to be BECAUSE OF REFORM

when , in fact, based upon this very thread, is false, and shows possibly a decrease in the average ,,,,


its already been passed and approved by senate,, as Im told about a different matter with a ruling already declared,,,,

why don't people stop 'obsessing' over it and start making a real oeffort to learn about it and discuss the points that can be improved upon instead of just attempting to dump the whole thing,,,?