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Edited by
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If the number of firearms in society is directly correlated to the number of gun deaths each year as gun control advocates would like us to believe, how do you explain this? According to Gunpolicy.org, Russians have far fewer guns than Americans — and far more homicides. There are fewer than 13 million firearms in circulation in Russia, compared with an estimated 300 million in the United States. That works out to about 9 guns per 100 people in Russia and closed to 100 guns per 100 people in America. The most recent homicide statistics for Russia show that there were 21,603 killings in 2009. According to the FBI, the United States had 13,636 homicides in 2009 with a population that is more than twice as large. More than 80 percent of those killings were gun-related. And oddly enough, Russia’s gun laws look a lot like those being proposed in the U.S. these days… Russia has tough gun laws on the books. It’s illegal for Russian citizens to own automatic and semi-automatic guns. It’s possible to apply for a handgun or shotgun license, though citizens are required to provide reasons such as hunting or target shooting. Applicants face strict background checks, including criminal history, a full psychological evaluation and a medical exam. They must pass a test on firearm laws and safety. Each weapon is then registered by the police during a home visit. Police take bullet patterns, test bullets and cartridges so bullets can be matched if the gun is used in a crime. A license lasts five years, after which applicants must go through the whole process again. In spite of these laws, the country does have periodic mass shootings by people thought to be mentally ill. http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/09/23/russia-has-fewer-guns-more-homicides-than-the-u-s/ Gun Policy Facts http://www.gunpolicy.org/ Probably because criminals don't care about the laws. If more citizens were armed, as in US, the rate would probably drop because the 'victims' would be armed. |
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people don't seem to understand, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns...
i really don't see any gangsters willingly giving up their guns, i see them as wanting it to happen... |
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people don't seem to understand, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns... i really don't see any gangsters willingly giving up their guns, i see them as wanting it to happen... What about just gun registrations and federal gun-owner registries? Russia is very different from the USA. Sure, the gun laws may superficially appear similar, the law enforcement drops off once you leave the big cities. Basically, if you're not in Moscow or St. Petersburg, you're out in the sticks and law enforcement is largely left to civilians, who have no problem with shooting first and asking questions later. Unfortunately, that ends up in firearm homicides. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Mon 09/23/13 12:05 PM
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people don't seem to understand, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns... i really don't see any gangsters willingly giving up their guns, i see them as wanting it to happen... What about just gun registrations and federal gun-owner registries? Russia is very different from the USA. Sure, the gun laws may superficially appear similar, the law enforcement drops off once you leave the big cities. Basically, if you're not in Moscow or St. Petersburg, you're out in the sticks and law enforcement is largely left to civilians, who have no problem with shooting first and asking questions later. Unfortunately, that ends up in firearm homicides. Lawenforcement is NOT proactive! They always arrive after the Fact to take notes of the Crime committed and send the full Body-Bags to the Morgue,and all your rationalizations can't change that Fact! |
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people don't seem to understand, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns... i really don't see any gangsters willingly giving up their guns, i see them as wanting it to happen... What about just gun registrations and federal gun-owner registries? Russia is very different from the USA. Sure, the gun laws may superficially appear similar, the law enforcement drops off once you leave the big cities. Basically, if you're not in Moscow or St. Petersburg, you're out in the sticks and law enforcement is largely left to civilians, who have no problem with shooting first and asking questions later. Unfortunately, that ends up in firearm homicides. so whats your point? as long as there are guns, someone will kill someone else with them, same with knifes, swords, clubs, etc... do you libs really think it's going to stop with a few laws thrown at it? |
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people don't seem to understand, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns... i really don't see any gangsters willingly giving up their guns, i see them as wanting it to happen... What about just gun registrations and federal gun-owner registries? Russia is very different from the USA. Sure, the gun laws may superficially appear similar, the law enforcement drops off once you leave the big cities. Basically, if you're not in Moscow or St. Petersburg, you're out in the sticks and law enforcement is largely left to civilians, who have no problem with shooting first and asking questions later. Unfortunately, that ends up in firearm homicides. read up on the laws before WW2 in Germany, and the similarities being shoved up our azzes now... those who don't read about history are doomed to repeat it... |
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people don't seem to understand, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns... i really don't see any gangsters willingly giving up their guns, i see them as wanting it to happen... What about just gun registrations and federal gun-owner registries? Russia is very different from the USA. Sure, the gun laws may superficially appear similar, the law enforcement drops off once you leave the big cities. Basically, if you're not in Moscow or St. Petersburg, you're out in the sticks and law enforcement is largely left to civilians, who have no problem with shooting first and asking questions later. Unfortunately, that ends up in firearm homicides. Yet, most violent crimes (including firearm homicides) occur in metropolitan areas. This is a trend set worldwide. Another trend is the relationship to economic factors. Violence/crime always seem to follow poverty... If there were guarantees that gun control would stop at the registration level, I would have no problem with it. There is no such guarantee. |
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people don't seem to understand, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns... i really don't see any gangsters willingly giving up their guns, i see them as wanting it to happen... What about just gun registrations and federal gun-owner registries? Russia is very different from the USA. Sure, the gun laws may superficially appear similar, the law enforcement drops off once you leave the big cities. Basically, if you're not in Moscow or St. Petersburg, you're out in the sticks and law enforcement is largely left to civilians, who have no problem with shooting first and asking questions later. Unfortunately, that ends up in firearm homicides. Huh? Civilain law enforcement in the sticks in Russia ends up in more homocides because the civilians shoot first and ask questions later? What are you talking about? This makes absolutely no sense. However, you are correct on one point, Russia is not the USA, but Chicago sure is the USA, and its super strict guns laws demonstrate what a joke gun control really is. |
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If the number of firearms in society is directly correlated to the number of gun deaths each year as gun control advocates would like us to believe, how do you explain this? According to Gunpolicy.org, Russians have far fewer guns than Americans — and far more homicides. There are fewer than 13 million firearms in circulation in Russia, compared with an estimated 300 million in the United States. That works out to about 9 guns per 100 people in Russia and closed to 100 guns per 100 people in America. The most recent homicide statistics for Russia show that there were 21,603 killings in 2009. According to the FBI, the United States had 13,636 homicides in 2009 with a population that is more than twice as large. More than 80 percent of those killings were gun-related. And oddly enough, Russia’s gun laws look a lot like those being proposed in the U.S. these days… Russia has tough gun laws on the books. It’s illegal for Russian citizens to own automatic and semi-automatic guns. It’s possible to apply for a handgun or shotgun license, though citizens are required to provide reasons such as hunting or target shooting. Applicants face strict background checks, including criminal history, a full psychological evaluation and a medical exam. They must pass a test on firearm laws and safety. Each weapon is then registered by the police during a home visit. Police take bullet patterns, test bullets and cartridges so bullets can be matched if the gun is used in a crime. A license lasts five years, after which applicants must go through the whole process again. In spite of these laws, the country does have periodic mass shootings by people thought to be mentally ill. http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/09/23/russia-has-fewer-guns-more-homicides-than-the-u-s/ Gun Policy Facts http://www.gunpolicy.org/ Probably because criminals don't care about the laws. If more citizens were armed, as in US, the rate would probably drop because the 'victims' would be armed. Just like Obama's hometown of Chicago. The TOUGHEST gun laws in the country but the highest gun homicide rate in the nation! |
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ther isn't a direct correlation between the gun ownership and homicide,,,
just as much information correlates gun ownership and homicide as there are correlating gun ownership and safety ,,its about the culture, and as someone else said 'poverty' also mental illness and greed play factors,,, |
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then why are the liberals touting facts like there is? you just stated, "... ,,its about the culture, and as someone else said 'poverty' also mental illness and greed play factors,,,"
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read up on the laws before WW2 in Germany, and the similarities being shoved up our azzes now... those who don't read about history are doomed to repeat it... You think we have laws forbidding Jews from owning guns or land? |
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If the number of firearms in society is directly correlated to the number of gun deaths each year as gun control advocates would like us to believe, how do you explain this? According to Gunpolicy.org, Russians have far fewer guns than Americans — and far more homicides. There are fewer than 13 million firearms in circulation in Russia, compared with an estimated 300 million in the United States. That works out to about 9 guns per 100 people in Russia and closed to 100 guns per 100 people in America. The most recent homicide statistics for Russia show that there were 21,603 killings in 2009. According to the FBI, the United States had 13,636 homicides in 2009 with a population that is more than twice as large. More than 80 percent of those killings were gun-related. And oddly enough, Russia’s gun laws look a lot like those being proposed in the U.S. these days… Russia has tough gun laws on the books. It’s illegal for Russian citizens to own automatic and semi-automatic guns. It’s possible to apply for a handgun or shotgun license, though citizens are required to provide reasons such as hunting or target shooting. Applicants face strict background checks, including criminal history, a full psychological evaluation and a medical exam. They must pass a test on firearm laws and safety. Each weapon is then registered by the police during a home visit. Police take bullet patterns, test bullets and cartridges so bullets can be matched if the gun is used in a crime. A license lasts five years, after which applicants must go through the whole process again. In spite of these laws, the country does have periodic mass shootings by people thought to be mentally ill. http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/09/23/russia-has-fewer-guns-more-homicides-than-the-u-s/ Gun Policy Facts http://www.gunpolicy.org/ Probably because criminals don't care about the laws. If more citizens were armed, as in US, the rate would probably drop because the 'victims' would be armed. Not accurate. You are kind of talking about the wild west over there. They still haven't settled into a "civilized" society from their upheaval of government. So yea their criminal activity there is higher than here and they have a corrupt government that I am sure contributes to this problem. Nice try though Karma. |
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If the number of firearms in society is directly correlated to the number of gun deaths each year as gun control advocates would like us to believe, how do you explain this? According to Gunpolicy.org, Russians have far fewer guns than Americans — and far more homicides. There are fewer than 13 million firearms in circulation in Russia, compared with an estimated 300 million in the United States. That works out to about 9 guns per 100 people in Russia and closed to 100 guns per 100 people in America. The most recent homicide statistics for Russia show that there were 21,603 killings in 2009. According to the FBI, the United States had 13,636 homicides in 2009 with a population that is more than twice as large. More than 80 percent of those killings were gun-related. And oddly enough, Russia’s gun laws look a lot like those being proposed in the U.S. these days… Russia has tough gun laws on the books. It’s illegal for Russian citizens to own automatic and semi-automatic guns. It’s possible to apply for a handgun or shotgun license, though citizens are required to provide reasons such as hunting or target shooting. Applicants face strict background checks, including criminal history, a full psychological evaluation and a medical exam. They must pass a test on firearm laws and safety. Each weapon is then registered by the police during a home visit. Police take bullet patterns, test bullets and cartridges so bullets can be matched if the gun is used in a crime. A license lasts five years, after which applicants must go through the whole process again. In spite of these laws, the country does have periodic mass shootings by people thought to be mentally ill. http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/09/23/russia-has-fewer-guns-more-homicides-than-the-u-s/ Gun Policy Facts http://www.gunpolicy.org/ Probably because criminals don't care about the laws. If more citizens were armed, as in US, the rate would probably drop because the 'victims' would be armed. Not accurate. You are kind of talking about the wild west over there. They still haven't settled into a "civilized" society from their upheaval of government. So yea their criminal activity there is higher than here and they have a corrupt government that I am sure contributes to this problem. Nice try though Karma. |
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Plus, if more guns were the answer as the NRA zombies would have said....how come all NRA meetings won't allow guns during their events? Or how come the wonderful gun shows don't allow loaded weapons in them? If guns are so great the gun crazy toters would want them at all their events.
Hypocrits |
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Plus, if more guns were the answer as the NRA zombies would have said....how come all NRA meetings won't allow guns during their events? Or how come the wonderful gun shows don't allow loaded weapons in them? If guns are so great the gun crazy toters would want them at all their events. Hypocrits |
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read up on the laws before WW2 in Germany, and the similarities being shoved up our azzes now... those who don't read about history are doomed to repeat it... You think we have laws forbidding Jews from owning guns or land? so you don't know the history...lol read up and get back to me when you actually know something about this... |
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Plus, if more guns were the answer as the NRA zombies would have said....how come all NRA meetings won't allow guns during their events? Or how come the wonderful gun shows don't allow loaded weapons in them? If guns are so great the gun crazy toters would want them at all their events. Hypocrits i think it's called "SAFETY"... accidents do happen, and they don't happen with an unloaded gun... any more names you wanna call anyone? |
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read up on the laws before WW2 in Germany, and the similarities being shoved up our azzes now... those who don't read about history are doomed to repeat it... You think we have laws forbidding Jews from owning guns or land? They took guns away from EVERYONE. Not to mention it wasn't only Jews who got visits from the Gestapo. |
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read up on the laws before WW2 in Germany, and the similarities being shoved up our azzes now... those who don't read about history are doomed to repeat it... You think we have laws forbidding Jews from owning guns or land? They took guns away from EVERYONE. Not to mention it wasn't only Jews who got visits from the Gestapo. should have let him figure this out on his own, if he's able to understand just what the German government did to ALL it's citizens... it wasn't just about jews, but gays, retards, cripples, anyone that didn't fit into their agenda... and it all started by gun restrictions/regulations... in other words, the citizens that were left couldn't revolt, because they had no guns... not every German agreed with Hitler, in fact very few did, but there was nothing they could do... and the ones that did were shot |
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