because of the definition:

Hate crime victimizations are based on victim's perceptions that the offender was motivated by bias against the victim's race, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, religion, disability, or associations with person identified by these characteristics.



the victim perceived the attack to be the result of him being what is known in the street as a 'snitch', which can come in any color,,,,

The justice system isn't perfect, but it's what we have. The alternative is much worse. And while it is true blacks seem to be profiled or prosecuted for crimes at a higher rate than other races, it is a proven fact that there is a higher percentage of violent crime pertaining to black offenders.

Violent crime is not a statistic that can be fudged by numbers, even tho penalties may be harsher on black offenders.

Profiling on nonviolent crimes I agree is a problem, but that is subject to area and enforcement, not you or I.

it has nothing to do with 'normal' vernacular and slang are a part of life wherever one goes to

its fine that between your friends you are aware of and respect boundries

most circles do,, even if they choose different vernacular and slang amongst each other,,,

debtes on any topic should be welcome between you and I , we don't have to be law enforcement to have opinions on things

and we do agree here, except I happen to know that numbers and statistics can be manipulated quite a bit depending upon the point trying to be made,,,

and I happen to think there is a higher correlation between absence of wealth (and blacks as a group have about 5 percent the wealth of whites),,,,poverty, and undereducation and crime

then there is race and crime

I actually believe, digging deeper to the issues of poverty and undereducation, which disproportionately affect the black population,,and media representation

would do more to truly address and decrease crime,,than mere profiling and repetition of sloppy statistics,,,

The largest longitudinal study of crime (St Elisabeth's Hospital) demonstrates that there is no correlation between poverty and crime.

A militarized police force is no good for anyone, and profiling is a problem. Bloombergs "ARMY" in NY is the perfect example of racial profiling! Many of the police have been criticized and penalized for not enforcing the "stop and frisk" quotas saying it is racially motivated, and profiling, and excused by being "based on statistics".

We agree it is wrong, but when your job and the welfare of your family is threatened for noncompliance by those of higher authority, it just makes it that much worse!

It is leadership and corruption to blame for that problem, but stupidity only helps to sell the need.

Oops, but I digress, as I apparently offer no scientific proof, except the scientific proof in my ramblings. What is the answer then?

Father, father
We don't need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today

Picket lines and picket signs
Don't punish me with brutality
Talk to me, so you can see
Oh, what's going on
What's going on
Ya, what's going on
Ah, what's going on

In the mean time

Again sorry as I see that you may call me a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

If IM reading it right, the study actually found poverty not to be a 'CAUSE',, which is different than a correlation,,,

based on the very obvious fact that rich people also commit crimes, I would never propose that poverty is a CAUSE of crime

what I believe is that there is a high CORRELATION Between crime and poverty, crime and undereducation, crime and family dynamics even,,,

with those in impoverished communities being MORE LIKELY to commit certain types of crime than their wealthier counterparts

and those with inferior or no education are more LIKELY To commit certain types of crime then their more educated counterparts

and those from single parent homes being MORE LIKELY To go on to commit certain types of crimes than their counterparts from nuclear families,,,

etc,,,etc,,etc,,,

We can speculate all day about race and intent yada yada yada....the issue is not about that.

It's not even about the another dead thug theme the poster originally intended.

This is about law enforcement being consistent in the performance of its duties and being accountable if you are not.

Does anyone remember the Texas 7? All ruthless killers who escaped prison, robbed a gun store, killed cops, left notes saying they would kill again...all were recaptured without incident, the only exception being one who took his own life rather than go back to prison.

In fact, two more escaped convicts from a Texas jail were recaptured without incident.

My point is that law enforcement is trained to handle these incidents without loss of life...except when it comes to 'thugs'.

There needs to be more consistency in how these situations are handled...now that's actually dealing with a pertinent, factual issue rather than the same ole mundane "It's not fair that Black people can call each other --ggers but I can't" issue.

So how do we fix it?

It's just a dumb Idea to shoot back at the Police,yeah,and a bit unhealthy as well!

AGREE!!! My husband and I had 3 children by the time I was 23!
My children are young LAW ABIDING adults now, because I did what I needed to do! I worked my *** off, gave them a good education and was NEVER on assistance ( not against public assistance, but I worked)! My children were my responsibility.

I really think it starts with home, community, and the economy

if the community would go back to encouraging/promoting family values, marriage and two parent homes, responsible parenting with both REWARD and consequence


if media showed as many images of how its cool to be respectful and loving as they do how cool/funny it is to be disrespectful, rude, vain, and selfish


or how awesome it is to be a FATHER instead of a baby daddy, and a MOTHER instead of a 'cougar' for instance

if at home we could teach young girls their value isn't in whether they put out

and we could teach young men that their value isn't in whether they can GET girls to put out

if the school authorities were permitted to work WITH parents to reinforce sound values while delivering sound education

and add to that education an opportunity for children to NETWORK and learn about growing wealth instead of just earning an income (its the 21st century, after all)

and if the ECONOMY Actually held opportunities for parents to support their families without going into exorbitant debt


I think a lot of the cycle of poverty and inadequate education could be broken, a lot of the hoplelssness people feel about the opportunity to make progress would disappear

I think people would take helping each other as just as natural a part of life as ordering a burger at the drive thru

I think people could see others as equally human regardless of their struggles or their race

those are just some things that pop into my mind...lol