I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

(I Timothy 2:9-14) kjv

This advice was given to Timothy by Paul. Timothy was working as the teacher and leader of the church at Ephesus. Paul gives him help and advice for his work in First and Sceond Timothy. Timothy was quite young to have the important job of leading a church.

I would like to know Your thoughts on these Scriptures?

Many Christian leaders get this wrong and say women are not allowed to teach at all. That is not what this scripture states. It talks about being a Bishop or Elder.

My response; since no one responded to this yet.

Paul did not allow a woman to be an official teacher in the assembled church. This is indicated by the added restriction concerning exercising "authority over a man", functioning as bishop. Paul based the restrictions on Genesis 2-3 chapters. The appeal to the creation account makes the restrictions universal and permanent.

Since the woman (Eve) was deceived and then led Adam astray, she is not to be entrusted with the teaching function of a bishop (or elder) in the public worship services of the assembled church.

KJV -Study Bible

"I'd like to hear your thoughts on these scriptures..?"

What I like most about the apostle Paul is that he always expresses he's view points, some things he says are he's personal point of view, not really what God has said, hense he'd even say that now its him talking not God (we see more of that in 1 Corinth 7:6) I somehow think God respects he's openions, since they're written in the bible for us to have an idea of what he thought about a certain subject.

In the above qoeted verses (could be wrong though) Paul tought/told Timothy what to say or teach to the church. (I'm not really sure if he was talking from he's view point or he was instructed by God to teach those to Timothy)

Nonetheless
I personally think what he said can be argued in a sincere attitude looking at our times at this day & age, YES God's word never changes, though He's the God of times. Maybe back then man knew their place, therefore there was no need for weman to partake in leadership in their personal homes & in the church. There's certainly a need on our days for weman to somehow participate in leadership in churches, NOT necessarily having authority over men BUT to help bring back balance in the body of Christ. (please bear with me on this one,I qoate it often when talking to you "disorder in the body of Christ"

The best people I think God can use to bring back balance in the church is weman. Let's look at what was our portion of panishment after the fall of men in Eden. One of our mentioned panishment is that "....your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you" Genesis 3:16

God knew that since man were ordained leaders themselves, will always find it hard to submit to Him. (I think God was looking at future times to come, like our present time, not only that moment of sin)
That's when WE WEMAN come in place in mans' lives & in churches, YES being ruled over wasn't our portion before the fall, though since it was our given portion due to sin, our nature was then transformed to that. We can't help it but to seek after our partners. (he may not be a husband for that matter, but we somehow take instructions from them being yet Just a boyfriend)

Surendering our selves flow easy with us weman as long as its inspired by love. We get to too attached & velnerable, hense get frastrated if the other part is not inline with what or how you feel & therefore responds in a way that you least expect at that time. Its as little as being angry that he's not calling. You're responding to the nature of penalty that was given as our portion after the fall.

That is fullness of submission. Just as we submit to man, God expects them to submit to Him, though it won't be that easy with guys since its not really their nature to behave that way, unless they're well tought on a day to day demonstration through us weman. It begins home, then flows to the church. Its not us whose Paul say to "submit to Got...." He rather starts with wives when giving that instruction to the church. "Wives submit to your husbands" its as if he knew that when starting by husbands, he'll be terming them. He started with us so they learn from us how to surender their lives to God as He expects them.

God wants man who'll seek after Him just like Weman longing after her husband. She's most likely to taken any (even wrong instructions cause she's selflessly willing to please)

Now imagen man seeking after God with that atittude, and transfering those instructions to you, how well both parties will serve & worship God.

In my openion the church is in desperate need of Wenan in leadership than ever before. We have so so much to teach guys about submission without saying much, but reflacting to them what became our portion of nature in Eden, hense the apostle Paul emphasizes' beauty of behavior than beauty based on looks like braided hair & so on....

With Timothy being a teacher of the church at such a young age, don't really have a problem with that, though that church was compromised of a better teacher if he was more nurtured & tought by he's own experiences than being told what to say by Paul. It took king David's personal experiences in submiting to Soul (who was very cruel to him) to bring out a compationate leader whom even God was proud to call a friend. He felt how it was like to be ill-treated, and therefore could not treat anyone like that. Likewise with Jesus before sitting at He's throne of glory right now, He had to learn to submit,being tought & being a servent, inorder to be served by us.

Said too much,
Hope it makes a little sense...

Hi Sisygirl

Your response was excellent, and it made a lot of sense to me. I enjoyed reading it and am thankful you take part in these discussions. I am learning too and I really liked your comments. And, also thought that was a good example you wrote about on David.

I agree Women are much needed in the churches today. Without women, where would some churches be. Women do a lot of the work in the church and in many churches out number the men.

Well put ladies,,

I also believe the Bible to be an account of biblical times, although I believe it all to be true, I don't think it all is meant to be direct instruction, some is an account of mans behaviors and laws as an indirect lesson about consequences, and some is direct command, and some is parable, and some is personal to the author

its not a nursery rhyme book for sure, (perhaps because it was meant for true study and not just memorizing and quoting,,,)

so, I believe this is an example of an indirect lesson in the form of Pauls personal requirements in his church,,,,,and not direct Commandment from God of how all Christians must behave

I believe it does take study. Like the scripture says, study to show yourself approved unto God a workman that needeth not to be ashamed. Rightly dividing the Word of truth.

I pray for those who do not believe the Bible, one day they will have a Huge awakening, because We all are going to meet God.