I dont think there is if one actually has the Time and resources to invest in them and teach them to invest in each other,,,

think about the resources

Most anyone can make a baby. But, In my humble opinion, Based on what I've seen in this world, Most don't have the time or the inclination to make the time. A lot of people get together and make a baby. But, They still are focused on themselves and what they want. They don't seem to understand that it isn't about "me" anymore. It's about "us" and what it takes to keep the family together and do right by the child. A child that didn't ask to be here to start with.

A lot of people now need kids about as much as a hog needs a side saddle. Most of the people I come across now pretty much let their kids raise themselves. Most now are either raised by TV or some video game. Just as long as they are not bothering mom or dad.

When I was a kid growing up, I went where my parents went. I was raised by a mother and a father that are still married to this day. Most kids now are usually raised by their mothers. I don't mean to say anything ugly about single mothers. I'm sure a lot of them did and are still doing the best they can.

A great majority of kids now are raised with dad away from home. Some see dad little to not at all. I'm a firm believer that it takes two parents to raise a child right. I do believe that's why we see so many messed up kids now. Either mom is doing it all by herself, OR, Neither parent gives a da.mn either way. I see a LOT of don't give a da.mn. More of that than anything.

I'm gonna stop. I could fill this page with the bad crap I've seen while in law enforcement. Some of the things I've seen I still dream about to this day. Some things stay with you forever.

as a single mom, I totally agree, I would have never INTENTIONALLY brought my children into this situation , was married to both of their fathers,,,,

that is why I say,, if people have the TIME and RESOURCES,,,,resources which include emotional and intellectual ability to actually GUIDE and RAISE and TEACH and SET PROPER EXAMPLES,,,,,


I think alot of people have kids for their personal desires without thinking very long about what the child deserves besides 'love',,,,,their desire to have someone love them unconditionally or their desire to have personal slaves, or their desire to have someone they can love,,,,,,

without thinking whether they are equipped with other necessary resources besides 'love',,,,like patience, authority, selflessness, etc,,,,,

,,yeah, you made good points, I can only imagine some things you saw,,,shame children are growing up that way,,,,and probably most of them started out with good intentions,,,but just not the ability or desire to consider long term realities for the child,,,,

"any such thing as too many kids?"

Why don't you ask the old woman who lived in a shoe.

lol,, she obviously didnt have the time, energy, resources or SPACE....

I have to agree to a point.

I am a single mum as well, I have brought up 6 kids and am still bringing up 3. Not on my own by choice, just by making bad choices.

BUT I have 6 fantastic children, they are responsible, polite happy kids and adults. My eldest daughter is happily married with a child, no wierd not being able to commit or surrering from any horrid things from being brought up by me.
My son is 22 he's deaf, he has a great job a fiancee, also well adjusted and a happy kid.
My other son works with me and is like my personal body guard. But he is still a great kid, just hats his Dad ( sadly) but loves everyone else, thats still something he has to work through.

But anyway, the point is that anyone who is committed can bring up their children, we may have struggled financially at times as my ex didnt help, but we always had fun and lots of time together.

Plus they all think I'm the best Mum ever. so what more could you ask for.

Hmmm and after all that, I dont think you can have to many kids, as long as you realise that there is no such thing as you anymore and you can afford to keep them fed and housed.

think why this situation creats

I was the first responder to a shooting. A man shot his wife right in front of his 4 kids. Blew her brains out.

Neither one of these two had any business making babies at all. The dad was a full on drug head/dead beat. His wife knew it when she married him. She married him anyway. He would beat her senseless then you may as well say,rape her. She would leave. He would beg her to come back. She always did. She would wind up pregnant again because if he caught her taking anything to keep from getting pregnant,It meant a beating.

Everytime we would lock him up,She would drop the charges. This went on and on for 5 years. We never could lock him up and make it stick. Finally, One day he blew her brains out while his oldest kids watched. He made them watch. I'm happy to report that he is dead now. Got his in prison.

The moral of the story, Their are all kinds of people out there. Some people,Well, To put it mildly, Should be "fixed" like a common animal and not allowed to bring kids into this world. Some people are just no good. Never will be. Some people have no earthly idea how to raise kids. No idea at all.

Walk into your local Wal-Mart for example. At any given time you will see someones little kid(s) running around screaming their little heads off. Acting like some kind of a little animal that doesn't know any better. And that's the thing, They don't know any better because mom or dad or both are not paying any attention to what their kids are doing. It doesn't matter if they are making a nuisance of themselves with other people. Just as long as they are not being bothered.


When I was a kid growing up, I was taught how I was suppose to carry myself in public. I was taught a lot of things, like,Respect for other people and myself. When I went anywhere with my parents I knew I had better behave myself. Because I knew what I would get when I got home if I didn't.

Which is another thing I think is wrong with a lot of parents today. No real discipline at home. When I was a kid, My mom didn't send me to my room when I misbehaved. No,It was a punishment much worse than that. If I managed to get by without a spanking, I had to stay inside. I couldn't go outside where my friends were playing ball of some kind or riding around the neighborhood on their bicycles. That was torture to me.

Try that with kids of today and see how far it floats. (:o)

no there is not

This would be a good time for you to read up on the tale of the little old lady who lived in a shoe.

Only in a sweet shop

It depends on if you can afford them? I have 2 boys and
that was enough for me. I could afford 2 but no more.
If I would have had another baby, I am sure I would have
worked more hours to afford our family.
Then you get to the point, how many jobs should I work?
Am I spending enough time with my children? IF you have
a lot of children and have to work 2 or 3 jobs to support
them wouldn't it be better to have fewer children and work
less jobs???

My parents told me that they talked it over before they got married and decided to only have one child. (And this was back in the middle to late 40's.)...Both my parents had grown-up in large families. And they were Catholics too...My parents told me that they knew it would be easy to spoil an only child. And they made a decision to try to avoid giving me "everything" and "spoiling me rotten." (Because they didn't want me to turn into a bratty kid or "primadonna" when I got older.)...I figured I should "stick" with 2 kids (when I got married) since I wasn't used to being part of a big family.

One is too many if ya have to use our tax dollars to support 'em.

ooopsy.
Killed anudder thread.

I have a question

IMO, anyone who wants to reproduce should provide proof they can afford to care for any kids they want to make.
We do live in a world of very limited resources.
What are ya'lls thoughts on that?

IM not down for litmus tests on reproduction, a bit TOO 'big brother' even for me


I have many things I believe should be encouraged and promoted regarding what's best for children,, but I wouldn't want any type of legislation on who could procreate,,,,