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it's a matter of opinion... since me or you are not qualified to say what is or isn't war crimes, he can't really say what he did helped anything... you call it murder, but war is hell... obviously we don't know all the details, so why talk about something you don't know about? the NSA blatantly overstepping the constitution is a more serious matter, something that can shake the whole infrastructure of the US... so you think the killing of a few people in a war, which you know no details of, is more important than the government going against the constitution? If Manning was allowed a fair trial he could easily prove war crimes. The lynch mob are out for blood. He is not allowed to appeal to the Nuremberg Principles. The Nuremberg Laws would clearly condem the Collateral Murder pilots. So the decent way out of this is to exonerate Manning and let the pilots go free as well. opinion / facts...sadly, nothing is fact in what you said... easily? ... if it were easy, how many lawyers would be lined up to take that case?... it's only easy for the prosecution now... It will only be 'easy' in a Military Kangaroo Court. |
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it's a matter of opinion... since me or you are not qualified to say what is or isn't war crimes, he can't really say what he did helped anything... you call it murder, but war is hell... obviously we don't know all the details, so why talk about something you don't know about? the NSA blatantly overstepping the constitution is a more serious matter, something that can shake the whole infrastructure of the US... so you think the killing of a few people in a war, which you know no details of, is more important than the government going against the constitution? If Manning was allowed a fair trial he could easily prove war crimes. The lynch mob are out for blood. He is not allowed to appeal to the Nuremberg Principles. The Nuremberg Laws would clearly condem the Collateral Murder pilots. So the decent way out of this is to exonerate Manning and let the pilots go free as well. opinion / facts...sadly, nothing is fact in what you said... easily? ... if it were easy, how many lawyers would be lined up to take that case?... it's only easy for the prosecution now... It will only be 'easy' in a Military Kangaroo Court. no matter your personal feelings, they have his azz... the road to hell is paved with good intentions... |
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He admits that he is guilty. If you disclosed 700,000 documents about anyone, a company or organization, something is bound to be damaging. Although, I believe he was being patted on the back and probably manipulated; he should know better and get the harshest penalty available. This would also stop a lot of these groups that are springing up anew seemingly everyday, that disrupt life that is troubling enough already. There is also the possibility that he profited from his actions and is concealing it by going "xerox" crazy
PUT HIM IN JAIL 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/10/13 06:06 PM
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it's a matter of opinion... since me or you are not qualified to say what is or isn't war crimes, he can't really say what he did helped anything... you call it murder, but war is hell... obviously we don't know all the details, so why talk about something you don't know about? the NSA blatantly overstepping the constitution is a more serious matter, something that can shake the whole infrastructure of the US... so you think the killing of a few people in a war, which you know no details of, is more important than the government going against the constitution? If Manning was allowed a fair trial he could easily prove war crimes. The lynch mob are out for blood. He is not allowed to appeal to the Nuremberg Principles. The Nuremberg Laws would clearly condem the Collateral Murder pilots. So the decent way out of this is to exonerate Manning and let the pilots go free as well. opinion / facts...sadly, nothing is fact in what you said... easily? ... if it were easy, how many lawyers would be lined up to take that case?... it's only easy for the prosecution now... It will only be 'easy' in a Military Kangaroo Court. no matter your personal feelings, they have his azz... the road to hell is paved with good intentions... It doesn't matter. The news is out. The reputation of the Military is on the line. They are KILLING CIVILIANS and reporters carrying cameras mistaking them for weapons. They are killing children. They are covering it up with their status of "classified." How stupid or evil does that make them look to the public? Was it worth it? I think so. I say BRAVO Manning, WHAT A SHOW! 
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He admits that he is guilty. If you disclosed 700,000 documents about anyone, a company or organization, something is bound to be damaging. Although, I believe he was being patted on the back and probably manipulated; he should know better and get the harshest penalty available. This would also stop a lot of these groups that are springing up anew seemingly everyday, that disrupt life that is troubling enough already. There is also the possibility that he profited from his actions and is concealing it by going "xerox" crazy PUT HIM IN JAIL
He is exposing war crimes. Give him a medal. I say BRAVO Manning, WHAT A SHOW!
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Mon 06/10/13 06:33 PM
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Manning is a sad case. I doubt he gets a metal for his action. |
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Manning is a sad case. mainly because of how stupid he went about it... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/10/13 06:32 PM
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Manning is a sad case. mainly because of how stupid he went about it... He is a very young man. His brain, although not fully developed because of his age, still knows right from wrong. It is a sad case indeed that he is being punished for exposing war crimes and screw ups. He still realizes that to cover up the deaths of those civilians was wrong, even if it was a stupid careless mistake by some bored pilot who just wanted to shoot something. |
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If a civil war ever breaks out in this country, you better duck and hide when you hear a helicopter, especially if you are carrying camera equipment.
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Military laws and rights are different from civilians laws and rights. If you leak that kind of intel while you're in the military expect the hammer to be brought down upon your head. 
21 years old. Wow, a babe in the woods. Technically your brain has not completely finished developing. The military Industrial complex would love to have that brain to mold into one of their killers. And providing you have stayed out of trouble they might even give you a top security clearance. Then you can go in there and witness war crimes and keep your mouth shut about it until you are injured and dumped into society as another disabled vet whom they don't have time to process your benefits and you can't find work. I see a bright future for you. I hope you don't take that road. I tend to pave my own road of radiance. 
Also need to keep those sneaky soab Mountain Dew stealing aliens guessing so paving my own path allows me to branch it out wherever I choose and create confusion! Those soabs will never take my Mountain Dew! 
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He admits that he is guilty. If you disclosed 700,000 documents about anyone, a company or organization, something is bound to be damaging. Although, I believe he was being patted on the back and probably manipulated; he should know better and get the harshest penalty available. This would also stop a lot of these groups that are springing up anew seemingly everyday, that disrupt life that is troubling enough already. There is also the possibility that he profited from his actions and is concealing it by going "xerox" crazy PUT HIM IN JAIL
The guy is a hero. |
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Manning is a sad case. mainly because of how stupid he went about it... He is a very young man. His brain, although not fully developed because of his age, still knows right from wrong. It is a sad case indeed that he is being punished for exposing war crimes and screw ups. He still realizes that to cover up the deaths of those civilians was wrong, even if it was a stupid careless mistake by some bored pilot who just wanted to shoot something. |
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I think the Gunner should be put alonside Manning and both tried in an open court with full disclosure of all the facts and let justice be seen to be done. Apart from that Bradley Manning is the only one in the dock so lets deal with that for now.
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Reality check...
Fact, Manning's actions COULD have put lives in danger, THEY DIDN"T... Fact, Manning passed info to an IDIOT, not al Qaeda... Fact, freedom to publish the leaked material is fundamental to democracy... Fact, a Private 1st Class has NO RIGHT to decide what, how, and to whom classified info should become de-classified... Fact, it is wrong and dangerous business for government to withhold reasonable disclosure... Fact, the RIGHT wants to paint Manning as a terrorist mastermind, the LEFT wants to idolize him as a hero...Both are wrong... Fact, Manning is not a whistleblower who identified a wrong and risked his life to put it right, he is a man who got pizzed and acted out like a little boy... Fact, when the U.S. government moved against WikiLeaks they retaliated by publishing a list of sites deemed vital to public safety around the globe. That list of potential terror targets included vaccine and insulin production facilities, communication centers, important bridges, pipelines, and undersea cables. A person would have to ignore several REALITIES to claim that WikiLeaks has never intentionally aided terrorists JUST TO SPITE governments, including that of the United States... Fact, Wikileaks' involvement is what really screwed Manning.... Fact, Manning was a troubled man in personal turmoil when he stole the documents...He was prone to emotional outbursts, he emailed a sergeant about his gender identity problems, he had an altercation with a superior that resulted in him being restrained, he was receiving "regular" psychiatric evaluations BEFORE being sent to Iraq and given access to classified material and guns... To focus on vilifying Manning is wrong IF YOU OMIT THE FACT the our military has been reckless on so many levels throughout the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY COMMON KNOWLEDGE AND IS A CIRCUMSTANCE OF EVERY WAR..Why was this obviously troubled kid even there and, if the leaked docs were THAT SENSITIVE, why did he have access to them?... Fact, as a member of the armed forces, Manning broke the rules...He must answer for that...He is not a hero, nor is he a threat to our national security...Lets hope the verdict when it comes will be the result of fair minded reasoning based on FACT rather than sibling rivalry.... |
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American Foreign Policy should be in the Dock, not Bradley Manning.
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American Foreign Policy should be in the Dock, not Bradley Manning. Well, if you really want to be honest with yourself Irish, hasn't it always been on someone's "Dock" throughout the course of its short, but very successful, history?...Your BS is nothing new.... 
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U.S. foreign
policy in Europe during the Cold War has been considered successful. However, a comprehensive review of American foreign policy towards countries in other regions and in different eras, including post Cold War Europe, expose a consistent lack of statesmanship, ineffective methods of diplomacy and a disposition to use military force. Regarded as the winner of the Cold War, the U.S. has subsequently been involved in several hot wars, and been excluded from socio-economic blocs. An ever-enlarging European Union, a Latin America Mercosur, which is composed of more radical and less-friendly regimes to the U.S., and an Association of Southeast Asian nations plus three (ASEAN +China, Japan, South Korea), in which China is gaining a dominant role, are challenging U.S. political hegemony and economic leadership. |
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U.S. foreign policy in Europe during the Cold War has been considered successful. However, a comprehensive review of American foreign policy towards countries in other regions and in different eras, including post Cold War Europe, expose a consistent lack of statesmanship, ineffective methods of diplomacy and a disposition to use military force. Regarded as the winner of the Cold War, the U.S. has subsequently been involved in several hot wars, and been excluded from socio-economic blocs. An ever-enlarging European Union, a Latin America Mercosur, which is composed of more radical and less-friendly regimes to the U.S., and an Association of Southeast Asian nations plus three (ASEAN +China, Japan, South Korea), in which China is gaining a dominant role, are challenging U.S. political hegemony and economic leadership. Too funny...
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Reality check... Fact, Manning's actions COULD have put lives in danger, THEY DIDN"T... Fact, Manning passed info to an IDIOT, not al Qaeda... Fact, freedom to publish the leaked material is fundamental to democracy... Fact, a Private 1st Class has NO RIGHT to decide what, how, and to whom classified info should become de-classified... Fact, it is wrong and dangerous business for government to withhold reasonable disclosure... Fact, the RIGHT wants to paint Manning as a terrorist mastermind, the LEFT wants to idolize him as a hero...Both are wrong... Fact, Manning is not a whistleblower who identified a wrong and risked his life to put it right, he is a man who got pizzed and acted out like a little boy... Fact, when the U.S. government moved against WikiLeaks they retaliated by publishing a list of sites deemed vital to public safety around the globe. That list of potential terror targets included vaccine and insulin production facilities, communication centers, important bridges, pipelines, and undersea cables. A person would have to ignore several REALITIES to claim that WikiLeaks has never intentionally aided terrorists JUST TO SPITE governments, including that of the United States... Fact, Wikileaks' involvement is what really screwed Manning.... Fact, Manning was a troubled man in personal turmoil when he stole the documents...He was prone to emotional outbursts, he emailed a sergeant about his gender identity problems, he had an altercation with a superior that resulted in him being restrained, he was receiving "regular" psychiatric evaluations BEFORE being sent to Iraq and given access to classified material and guns... To focus on vilifying Manning is wrong IF YOU OMIT THE FACT the our military has been reckless on so many levels throughout the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY COMMON KNOWLEDGE AND IS A CIRCUMSTANCE OF EVERY WAR..Why was this obviously troubled kid even there and, if the leaked docs were THAT SENSITIVE, why did he have access to them?... Fact, as a member of the armed forces, Manning broke the rules...He must answer for that...He is not a hero, nor is he a threat to our national security...Lets hope the verdict when it comes will be the result of fair minded reasoning based on FACT rather than sibling rivalry.... I could get into a lengthy debate on each of these points.... but I love having you as a friend...  
One point tho...."Fact, a Private 1st Class has NO RIGHT to decide what, how, and to whom classified info should become de-classified... " It's not about his right, it's about his obligation as a citizen of the US first, a servant of his country second, and exposing what he perceived as a threat and violation against the fundamental values of our country, its laws, and those he took an oath to protect and defend. Thanks to our present atmosphere of gov't, where everything they do is secret (even the smallest detail) and above question or public knowledge, who was he supposed to report these atrocities to? His superiors, the ones responsible for committing or allowing these acts? Congress? Yeah, like they are going to expose their own corruption of supporting them! Manning thought the American people would support him when he risked everything to reveal these atrocities and policies.... WE THE PEOPLE LET HIM DOWN! We are our own worst enemies! |
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Reality check... Fact, Manning's actions COULD have put lives in danger, THEY DIDN"T... Fact, Manning passed info to an IDIOT, not al Qaeda... Fact, freedom to publish the leaked material is fundamental to democracy... Fact, a Private 1st Class has NO RIGHT to decide what, how, and to whom classified info should become de-classified... Fact, it is wrong and dangerous business for government to withhold reasonable disclosure... Fact, the RIGHT wants to paint Manning as a terrorist mastermind, the LEFT wants to idolize him as a hero...Both are wrong... Fact, Manning is not a whistleblower who identified a wrong and risked his life to put it right, he is a man who got pizzed and acted out like a little boy... Fact, when the U.S. government moved against WikiLeaks they retaliated by publishing a list of sites deemed vital to public safety around the globe. That list of potential terror targets included vaccine and insulin production facilities, communication centers, important bridges, pipelines, and undersea cables. A person would have to ignore several REALITIES to claim that WikiLeaks has never intentionally aided terrorists JUST TO SPITE governments, including that of the United States... Fact, Wikileaks' involvement is what really screwed Manning.... Fact, Manning was a troubled man in personal turmoil when he stole the documents...He was prone to emotional outbursts, he emailed a sergeant about his gender identity problems, he had an altercation with a superior that resulted in him being restrained, he was receiving "regular" psychiatric evaluations BEFORE being sent to Iraq and given access to classified material and guns... To focus on vilifying Manning is wrong IF YOU OMIT THE FACT the our military has been reckless on so many levels throughout the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY COMMON KNOWLEDGE AND IS A CIRCUMSTANCE OF EVERY WAR..Why was this obviously troubled kid even there and, if the leaked docs were THAT SENSITIVE, why did he have access to them?... Fact, as a member of the armed forces, Manning broke the rules...He must answer for that...He is not a hero, nor is he a threat to our national security...Lets hope the verdict when it comes will be the result of fair minded reasoning based on FACT rather than sibling rivalry.... almost a great post... i do fail to understand from you people that have never been in the military or war how you can make such statements when you know nothing of the actions that were taken... |
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