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Topic: yet another example of the slowly encroaching police state..
Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/26/13 05:15 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 04/26/13 05:18 PM




Man is not free unless government is limited. - Ronald Reagan


freedom is as limited as government,,,,there is nothing absolute and nothing that comes truly 'free'

government was probably more limited in the days that our country had SLAVES,, and they were far from free....took government to step in and end it,,,


We still have slaves now.....just the definition has changed.

When someone else can dictate to you what to do without you being able to say NO (like with these lockdowns), you are a slave to that person. And on many things when it comes to government we are not able to do this without risking fines or possible jail time. So whether you like it or not, whether you want to believe it or not, this makes us slaves.

and as far as basic and logical boundaries, all that needs to be in law is not to harm another person or infringe on their right to live freely. That's all the boundaries you need, anything else is just man trying to control one another.


no , its man trying to keep some order

but many who live on the ideal of complete 'freedom' dont understand how easily order can become chaos without boundaries beyond the simplistic 'do no harm'


People who think like that are just afraid of having to take responsibility for themselves. It's easier to not have to think and let others do it for you. All I can say is we deserve what we get if that's gonna be our attitude, a society able to give you all you want can also take it away, so don't be surprised when it happens because it's what you asked for.

And btw we STILL have chaos you know......just saying. Actually we probably have more now than we otherwise would because everyone thinks they can dictate to everyone else what is moral and right to do or not do. Leave people alone and I bet that chaos goes away.......it creates needless division and hate for no reason other than someone is different. Yeah.....some order we have.......


msharmony's photo
Sat 04/27/13 08:50 AM





Man is not free unless government is limited. - Ronald Reagan


freedom is as limited as government,,,,there is nothing absolute and nothing that comes truly 'free'

government was probably more limited in the days that our country had SLAVES,, and they were far from free....took government to step in and end it,,,


We still have slaves now.....just the definition has changed.

When someone else can dictate to you what to do without you being able to say NO (like with these lockdowns), you are a slave to that person. And on many things when it comes to government we are not able to do this without risking fines or possible jail time. So whether you like it or not, whether you want to believe it or not, this makes us slaves.

and as far as basic and logical boundaries, all that needs to be in law is not to harm another person or infringe on their right to live freely. That's all the boundaries you need, anything else is just man trying to control one another.


no , its man trying to keep some order

but many who live on the ideal of complete 'freedom' dont understand how easily order can become chaos without boundaries beyond the simplistic 'do no harm'


People who think like that are just afraid of having to take responsibility for themselves. It's easier to not have to think and let others do it for you. All I can say is we deserve what we get if that's gonna be our attitude, a society able to give you all you want can also take it away, so don't be surprised when it happens because it's what you asked for.

And btw we STILL have chaos you know......just saying. Actually we probably have more now than we otherwise would because everyone thinks they can dictate to everyone else what is moral and right to do or not do. Leave people alone and I bet that chaos goes away.......it creates needless division and hate for no reason other than someone is different. Yeah.....some order we have.......




I think some people just will never be happy and would never stop finding things to complain about,,,


rules or no rules,,,frustrated

krupa's photo
Sat 04/27/13 09:26 AM

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/fbi-local-police-conducting-massive-sweep-oakland/nXXKw/

Martial law folks, it's coming........we best open our eyes right now before our own towns are next........

Did you notice they said they weren't at liberty to discuss the reasons for this?? We need to start demanding answers, we must not let them keep getting away with this. It's time to draw a line......


Didn't watch the video...just gonna assume it was some guys who got their a$$es kicked by cops.

Please allow me to ask...do you talk to the lawlike they are friend or foe?

If you treat them like actual people....they are pretty cool.

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Mon 04/29/13 04:20 PM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Mon 04/29/13 04:20 PM

but many who live on the ideal of complete 'freedom' dont understand how easily order can become chaos without boundaries beyond the simplistic 'do no harm'


You're right...I don't understand...How could order become chaos if we enforced only that one simple law?

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Mon 04/29/13 04:25 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 04/29/13 04:33 PM


but many who live on the ideal of complete 'freedom' dont understand how easily order can become chaos without boundaries beyond the simplistic 'do no harm'


You're right...I don't understand...How could order become chaos if we enforced only that one simple law?


because it would be impossible to get 300 million people to all agree about what is 'harmful' and what is not,, for one,,,

littering is an example, If I toos a piece of my apple on the ground, it isnt really doing 'harm', by itself

but now tell 300 million people they are all EQUALLY free to do the same, and see how quickly it causes HARM to out living environment


'harm' is not always the immediate and physical kind, when we are talking about hundreds of millions of people trying to be a SOCIETY,,,,


my immature children say they didnt 'hurt' anybody when they lied, that doesnt mean that it was any less wrong or should have been any less intolerable for them to do it though,,,,

people have different views of what is harmful,

adulterers dont often feel like they are doing 'harm', but that doesnt mean it should be tolerated,,,,

there is preventive actions we take as a society to try to maintain the type of society we want to live in,,,,there is also reactionary enforcement we take to punish those who do 'harm'

but simply stating 'do no harm' is far too simplistic as an actual PLAN for society or maintaining a society

its like saying 'be healthy',,,,its admirable, but too simplistic to be an actual solitary rule to live by,,,

and because nothing in life is 'free',, esepcially freedom and safety and health,,, we operate in a SOCIETY where our environmen tis largely funded by taxes,, our protection is funded by taxes,,,,we are very intertwined with each other because of what we contribute of OUR MONEY to maintain the type of society we have

and so as a society, as INVESTORS in certain areas of life as a SOCIETY, we have to have some way to decide which things the society will fund or not fund and how those things will be maintained,,,,


simply 'do no harm' might work in a cage with five or six people, it is more complicated in a society with hundreds of millions of individuals,,,

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