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Topic: Is Christianity the world's largest religion? Has the most
massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Tue 03/12/13 11:58 AM
I have always wondered how scientists figure time? They tell us the earth and universe are billions of years old. yet when it comes to like Methusula (sp) was 969 years old when he died. They will say the days were shorter back then.. even believers say this. If this is so, then how do we measure time at all if the length of days has ever changed? First off scientists can measure time with atomic clocks, which are immune to all of the changes in planetary motion which can cause the length of our days and years to vary slightly. Technically, relativistic effects can cause time to move slightly differently on a mountain top vs at sea level, but the effect is TINY. incredibly tiny. nothing to worry about. We also don't need to worry very much about the duration of days messing a great deal with our measure of time. This would only matter if we are using historical records, right? If you read a passage from four thousand years ago, and they say "forty days passed", you want to know if that 40 days is the same as 40 days today, right? well it pretty much is. the variation in day length is tiny. its not like 40 days from long ago could be, say, 50 days. It might be like 40.3 days, or maybe much less. For the most part, when scientists calculate the passage of time in the distant past, and off planet, they aren't even worried about how we use the rotation and revolution of the planet to mark time. That's just a unit of measure being used, the actual rotation and revolution have nothing to do with the act of calculation or measurement. They use processes that are known to proceed at pre-defined rate, and for which we have evidence of the progress of that process. Do you doubt that the universe is billions of years old?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Tue 03/12/13 03:33 PM
I have always wondered how scientists figure time? They tell us the earth and universe are billions of years old. yet when it comes to like Methusula (sp) was 969 years old when he died. They will say the days were shorter back then.. even believers say this. If this is so, then how do we measure time at all if the length of days has ever changed? First off scientists can measure time with atomic clocks, which are immune to all of the changes in planetary motion which can cause the length of our days and years to vary slightly. Technically, relativistic effects can cause time to move slightly differently on a mountain top vs at sea level, but the effect is TINY. incredibly tiny. nothing to worry about. We also don't need to worry very much about the duration of days messing a great deal with our measure of time. This would only matter if we are using historical records, right? If you read a passage from four thousand years ago, and they say "forty days passed", you want to know if that 40 days is the same as 40 days today, right? well it pretty much is. the variation in day length is tiny. its not like 40 days from long ago could be, say, 50 days. It might be like 40.3 days, or maybe much less. For the most part, when scientists calculate the passage of time in the distant past, and off planet, they aren't even worried about how we use the rotation and revolution of the planet to mark time. That's just a unit of measure being used, the actual rotation and revolution have nothing to do with the act of calculation or measurement. They use processes that are known to proceed at pre-defined rate, and for which we have evidence of the progress of that process. Do you doubt that the universe is billions of years old? Well technically a planets rotation is used to measure time in some circumstances that's how they know how some planets rotate on their axis faster or slower than earths rotation.Anyways you are correct about the difference in time.It does Occur as a 24 hour day maybe 23 hours and 55 minutes or 24 hours and 2 minutes it does happen. As for people living to be 989 years old well that's just exaggerated deity based faith mythological stories.Campfire stories gone wild.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15174	Fri 03/15/13 01:10 PM
Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 04/27/13 04:57 AM Edited by RKISIT on Sat 04/27/13 04:58 AM
The fact is the universe doesn't care about theological myth.It just does what it does. When man evolved and couldn't figure out how they became to be then gods were created. As time went on man decided to actually work on how things work and realized that gods aren't required for this to happen. Unfortunately there is a lot of humans that still believe imaginary beings are at work.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 04/27/13 08:37 AM
my two cents.... refer to the matrix....lol what I mean is this,, so many things are 'possible',, but I think we believe what our hearts and mind tell us are probable it is possible, that I am a computer program that has been designed to believe in my own existence,,,,its possible its possible that some or many things I believe in science or religion, are just plain wrong or untrue, as I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY seen or witnessed the 'study' or 'facts' that have been recorded in the books I read so, in the end, most of what we 'know', we know by faith in the probability of the information we are given and the the probability of the integrity of those giving us the information for me, no man or scientist will ever know everything, nor is it improbable, that the things scientists THINK they have proven about how things work,,,are not automatically the way they have always or will always worked I dont sweat science in its 'evidence' about time and evolution because I think its probable that they are wrong to assume they can test things in present and therefore prove what they must have done in the past,,,, I have FAITH in the probability and the logic of the bible and God, others believe in the probability of scientific evidence and others believe something else thats what keeps the world interesting,,

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Sat 04/27/13 04:18 PM
With my belief all I need is ONE book! I can say "God did it" and have almost no holes. I agree with most of what you said, but this ^^ is hopelessly flawed. The biblical canon is only part of what the Catholic and Orthodox churches use. It's a very new, Protestant notion that laymen can can understand the text without context or understanding passed down through church tradition. This is one reason the "evangelicals'" theology is so confused.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 04/27/13 04:36 PM
With my belief all I need is ONE book! I can say "God did it" and have almost no holes. I agree with most of what you said, but this ^^ is hopelessly flawed. The biblical canon is only part of what the Catholic and Orthodox churches use. It's a very new, Protestant notion that laymen can can understand the text without context or understanding passed down through church tradition. This is one reason the "evangelicals'" theology is so confused. You forgot to add that there are tons of holes when saying "god did it". First of all where did god come from? How come god can always have existed yet energy and matter can't? Why is genesis debunked by science? What is a firmament? How come abrahamic followers say god didn't create evil,yet in Samuel 18:10,19:9 and 16:15 says he did?

motowndowntown Joined Wed 11/19/08 Posts: 21905	Sat 04/27/13 04:42 PM
Hmmm I thought Muslimism was the biggest ? At least i would have sworn i read that somewhere... Learn something new every day That is my philosophy... Thanks for that info ! But i have to say that What ever faith we believe in is good as long as we bELIve ... ...in GOODNESS ! Be Blessed EVERYONE ! KiK Gotta agree with that. But I thought Hindu or Buddhist was the largest.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 04/27/13 04:57 PM
Hmmm I thought Muslimism was the biggest ? At least i would have sworn i read that somewhere... Learn something new every day That is my philosophy... Thanks for that info ! But i have to say that What ever faith we believe in is good as long as we bELIve ... ...in GOODNESS ! Be Blessed EVERYONE ! KiK Gotta agree with that. But I thought Hindu or Buddhist was the largest. It's amazing how christians brag that their myth is great like frosted flakes because it's so popular yet they can't even prove jesus existed.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 04/27/13 05:12 PM Edited by RKISIT on Sat 04/27/13 05:18 PM
In other words according to Samuel,god created evil souls and spirits and it has to be true cause it's in the bible. Wait though it's a metaphor and it's in the old testament so christians will say it's how you interpret it.No matter how specific and verbatim it is it still relies on the old hoax of interpretation.

CelibateLover Joined Sat 05/25/13 Posts: 15	Sun 05/26/13 08:02 AM
World's largest religion? Yes, Christianity is the world's largest religion (33% and has 2.2 billion practicing followers). Has the most supporting evidence? Yes, absolutely. Consider the following: 1. Jesus Christ fulfills over two hundred (200) very detailed, specific Messianic Prophecies in the Old Testament. (You are more than welcome to research these 200 (plus) prophecies using the Hebrew and Greek and other resources.) http://www.bibleprobe.com/365messianicprophecies.htm http://thedevineevidence.com/prophecy_jesus.html 2. Forty-five (45) first century sources (28 Christian and 17 secular/hostile) confirm Jesus Christs' existence -- that He walked the earth. http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html 3. Jesus makes 35 “I AM“ statements [30 in The Gospel of John and 5 in Revelation] (Gk. ego eimi) asserting His deity. Two examples: “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born [lit. came into being], I Am.’" (John 8:58, NASB) Jesus also said, “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am, you will die in your sins." (John 8:24) http://catholic-resources.org/John/Themes-IAM.htm 4. Darwinism also supports the accuracy of the Bible. How? One-hundred percent of the ‘missing links’ (1859 to 2012) were discovered by atheists. (Can you say conflict of interest?) All of there so-called ‘finds’ were filled with fraud … forgery … and fabrication. 5. The witness of the Holy Spirit [God’s guidance] to Christians in their lives. There are literally tons of other evidences (in various fields) which show that Christianity as the only practicle/viable/possible religion. Amen!

CelibateLover Joined Sat 05/25/13 Posts: 15	Sun 05/26/13 08:08 AM
Summary of the “10 Things Everyone Needs to Know about Islam”: by Dr. Emir Caner 1. Allah and Jehovah are NOT the same God 2. Jihad, or holy war, is prescribed in the Koran and Hadith 3. There are specific protocols in Islam (e.g. women are not to go to Jihad) 4. Islam does not believe in religious freedom 5. Islam has a lower view of woman than Christianity 6. Islam has a low view of Jesus 7. Islam has a low view of the Bible 8. Islam is the most work-based religion in the world 9. Islam is divided among denominations 10. Many Muslims are coming to faith in Christ not cool , but God be praised on #10

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Sun 05/26/13 02:32 PM
I have always wondered how scientists figure time? They tell us the earth and universe are billions of years old. yet when it comes to like Methusula (sp) was 969 years old when he died. They will say the days were shorter back then.. even believers say this. If this is so, then how do we measure time at all if the length of days has ever changed? First off scientists can measure time with atomic clocks, which are immune to all of the changes in planetary motion which can cause the length of our days and years to vary slightly. Technically, relativistic effects can cause time to move slightly differently on a mountain top vs at sea level, but the effect is TINY. incredibly tiny. nothing to worry about. We also don't need to worry very much about the duration of days messing a great deal with our measure of time. This would only matter if we are using historical records, right? If you read a passage from four thousand years ago, and they say "forty days passed", you want to know if that 40 days is the same as 40 days today, right? well it pretty much is. the variation in day length is tiny. its not like 40 days from long ago could be, say, 50 days. It might be like 40.3 days, or maybe much less. For the most part, when scientists calculate the passage of time in the distant past, and off planet, they aren't even worried about how we use the rotation and revolution of the planet to mark time. That's just a unit of measure being used, the actual rotation and revolution have nothing to do with the act of calculation or measurement. They use processes that are known to proceed at pre-defined rate, and for which we have evidence of the progress of that process. Do you doubt that the universe is billions of years old? No I do not doubt the universe is billions of years old.. actually it is infinite to time. I do believe before Noah disease and such and the purity of the earth allowed people to live much longer. I do not believe before Noah was a myth. Everything goes by faith.. Yahweh said the stars were as the sands of the earth.. Innumerable which apparently is true since we keep finding them. The whole thing relates to our inability to know. Our inability to create life. If with all the advances we have in the world of science we can not figure out how to make any of the life on earth, then how can we possibly imagine it all came from nothing, a happenstance. We were designed and everything we see in nature and the stars are designed. The moon has to be exactly where it is for the gravitational pull to be right.. The moon has a lot to do with the earth.. so does the sun.. everything in perfect alignment and yet people say this just happened.. that to me is a myth.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 05/26/13 02:36 PM
Summary of the “10 Things Everyone Needs to Know about Islam”: by Dr. Emir Caner 1. Allah and Jehovah are NOT the same God 2. Jihad, or holy war, is prescribed in the Koran and Hadith 3. There are specific protocols in Islam (e.g. women are not to go to Jihad) 4. Islam does not believe in religious freedom 5. Islam has a lower view of woman than Christianity 6. Islam has a low view of Jesus 7. Islam has a low view of the Bible 8. Islam is the most work-based religion in the world 9. Islam is divided among denominations 10. Many Muslims are coming to faith in Christ if islam has a 'lower view', than why did so many islamic nations appoint females in leadership roles long before we had even appointed our first woman congressperson? 'lower view' is subjective, I suppose 'low view' actually is a subjective term that I would need further clarification of,,,, I know Islam doesnt consider JEsus the son of God, but neither does Judaism,,,,