Dis-owned? Okeee dokeee.... and that is why Bush went after him so feverishly.

I don't know why you are laughing at my "evidence." These are well verifiable FACTS.

They are not "evidence." They are simply FACTS that can easily be verified.

You take the facts and you add two plus two and you get.... 4.

The thing that always amazes me about conspiracy theories is how elaborate they are, how flimsy alleged links are, and the enormous lengths people will go to trying to prove that a conspiracy actually happened.
And woe betide anyone who points out any huge gaping holes in the theory, they must be part of the conspiracy or have been brainwashed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Wiz1elwHU

These are facts. You can verify them yourself.

Osama was a well educated Saudi Prince with lots of money. He had many businesses. Just like his family.

Of course they had to pretend to "disown" him. They were doing business with Americans.... lots of business with the Bush family.

So why were these facts 'covered up?" Why were these facts not mentioned on the nightly news? Because it would not look good for the Bush's that's why.

Even better, what was Osama's connection to the CIA? I will tell you. The CIA had trained him to fight one of their battles in Afghanistan. They trained him.

Then they double crossed him. That is why Osama personally declared war against America.

you made the Claim,you prove it!
Or is it another assertion?

Oh blah blah blah blah.

The only conspiracy theory you believe is the propaganda put out by the government. And their version is so lame and full of lies.

Yet you people who criticize all conspiracy theories also deny that you believe the official version of events too. That is because you KNOW that the official version of current events is ALWAYS SPUN propaganda.

I always liked how truthers just seem to "know" things they couldn't possibly know...

Call it an "assertion" if you want. I call it a fact. A very well known fact at that. If you don't believe it, do some of your own research, I'm sick of doing all the work for you. You don't want the truth, you just want to believe your government.

Nobody knows anything, including you. We all have the same sources to chose from and we all have to decide what we believe.

There is no account of 9-11 that holds all of the answers or truth. The official account is included in that.

only thing i'm claiming to know is that your funny... you said this:
These are facts. You can verify them yourself.

Osama was a well educated Saudi Prince with lots of money. He had many businesses. Just like his family.

Of course they had to pretend to "disown" him. They were doing business with Americans.... lots of business with the Bush family.

So why were these facts 'covered up?" Why were these facts not mentioned on the nightly news? Because it would not look good for the Bush's that's why.


just a couple of questions here:... how do you know they "pretended" to disown him?
what "facts" are being covered up?
did you ever think maybe they are "covered up" because they are not facts at all?

i know i'm dense and all, but maybe you could let me know how you came across these "facts"?

It is a well known fact that Bush was doing business with the Osama's family. Do you really need me to go find the proof for you? Seriously? I don't have the time.

Look how long Osama was protected. He was protected by the CIA, the Bush's and by his family. Of course they claimed to have "disowned" him after 9-11. It would have been disastrous not to. Still, for years, he was left alone... some say to die in peace. Some say that the man they killed was not him.

I don't know for sure when Osama died, but for such a wanted terrorist, it is plain to see that he was well protected. I don't believe they "disowned" him. I don't know how I "know." I just know.

nobody disagreed with you on that... everyone knows that the bushes worked with osama's family...no big deal

The History of

Bin Laden

Osama bin Laden, one of 20 sons of a billionaire construction magnate, arrived in Afghanistan to join the jihad in 1980. An austere religious fanatic and business tycoon, bin Laden specialised in recruiting, financing and training the estimated 35,000 non-Afghan mercenaries who joined the mujaheddin.

The bin Laden family is a prominent pillar of the Saudi Arabian ruling class, with close personal, financial and political ties to that country's pro-US royal family.

Bin Laden senior was appointed Saudi Arabia's minister of public works as a favour by King Faisal. The new minister awarded his own construction companies lucrative contracts to rebuild Islam's holiest mosques in Mecca and Medina. In the process, the bin Laden family company in 1966 became the world's largest private construction company.

Osama bin Laden's father died in 1968. Until 1994, he had access to the dividends from this ill-gotten business empire.

(Bin Laden junior's oft-quoted personal fortune of US$200-300 million has been arrived at by the US State Department by dividing today's value of the bin Laden family net worth — estimated to be US$5 billion — by the number of bin Laden senior's sons. A fact rarely mentioned is that in 1994 the bin Laden family disowned Osama and took control of his share.)

Osama's military and business adventures in Afghanistan had the blessing of the bin Laden dynasty and the reactionary Saudi Arabian regime. His close working relationship with MAK also meant that the CIA was fully aware of his activities.

Milt Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, admitted to the January 24, 2000, New Yorker that while he never personally met bin Laden, "Did I know that he was out there? Yes, I did ... [Guys like] bin Laden were bringing $20-$25 million a month from other Saudis and Gulf Arabs to underwrite the war. And that is a lot of money. It's an extra $200-$300 million a year. And this is what bin Laden did."

In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built "training camps", some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them.

These camps, now dubbed "terrorist universities" by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers.

Tom Carew, a former British SAS soldier who secretly fought for the mujaheddin told the August 13, 2000, British Observer, "The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism — car bombing and so on — so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate."

Al Qaeda (the Base), bin Laden's organisation, was established in 1987-88 to run the camps and other business enterprises. It is a tightly-run capitalist holding company — albeit one that integrates the operations of a mercenary force and related logistical services with "legitimate" business operations.

Bin Laden has simply continued to do the job he was asked to do in Afghanistan during the 1980s — fund, feed and train mercenaries. All that has changed is his primary customer. Then it was the ISI and, behind the scenes, the CIA. Today, his services are utilised primarily by the reactionary Taliban regime.

Bin Laden only became a "terrorist" in US eyes when he fell out with the Saudi royal family over its decision to allow more than 540,000 US troops to be stationed on Saudi soil following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

When thousands of US troops remained in Saudi Arabia after the end of the Gulf War, bin Laden's anger turned to outright opposition. He declared that Saudi Arabia and other regimes — such as Egypt — in the Middle East were puppets of the US, just as the PDPA government of Afghanistan had been a puppet of the Soviet Union.

He called for the overthrow of these client regimes and declared it the duty of all Muslims to drive the US out of the Gulf states. In 1994, he was stripped of his Saudi citizenship and forced to leave the country. His assets there were frozen.

After a period in Sudan, he returned to Afghanistan in May 1996. He refurbished the camps he had helped build during the Afghan war and offered the facilities and services — and thousands of his mercenaries — to the Taliban, which took power that September.

Today, bin Laden's private army of non-Afghan religious fanatics is a key prop of the Taliban regime.

Prior to the devastating September 11 attack on the twin towers of World Trade Center, US ruling-class figures remained unrepentant about the consequences of their dirty deals with the likes of bin Laden, Hekmatyar and the Taliban. Since the awful attack, they have been downright hypocritical.

In an August 28, 1998, report posted on MSNBC, Michael Moran quotes Senator Orrin Hatch, who was a senior member of the Senate Intelligence Committee which approved US dealings with the mujaheddin, as saying he would make "the same call again", even knowing what bin Laden would become.

"It was worth it. Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union."

Hatch today is one of the most gung-ho voices demanding military retaliation.

Another face that has appeared repeatedly on television screens since the attack has been Vincent Cannistrano, described as a former CIA chief of "counter-terrorism operations".

Cannistrano is certainly an expert on terrorists like bin Laden, because he directed their "work". He was in charge of the CIA-backed Nicaraguan contras during the early 1980s. In 1984, he became the supervisor of covert aid to the Afghan mujaheddin for the US National Security Council.

The last word goes to Zbigniew Brzezinski: "What was more important in the world view of history? The Taliban or the fall of the Soviet Empire? A few stirred up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?"

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/24198

No, it is irrelevant. The reason is in the title:

"Chris Mohr's rebuttal to Richard Gage's 9/11 truth controlled demolition theory"

Which is pertinent to many of the OP's points. I didn't post these videos for you, and for that reason, what you believe has no bearing.


Get my drift?





In this case, that's not my fault.



And your opinion doesn't matter to me when I'm addressing the OP.



Pfft! What a drama queen.

Pfft!

Yes, the Saudi Royal Family and the US have strong trade ties.



That is a myth, he was a member of the Mudja-Hadeen when the CIA was involved in training militias in Afghanistan to oust the Soviets. Nothing more can be extrapolated from that.



OBL was under the protection of the Bush Family? You're making this up.



No, they disowned him in 1994 after he was found to be the ring leader behing the first WTC attack (1993).

For some odd reason this needs to be here. RIP Hunter.


“We are going to punish somebody for this attack, but just who or where will be blown to smithereens for it is hard to say. Maybe Afghanistan, maybe Pakistan or Iraq, or possibly all three at once. Who knows? Not even the Generals in what remains of the Pentagon or the New York papers calling for war seem to know who did it or where to look for them.

This is going to be a very expensive war, and Victory is not guaranteed--for anyone, and certainly not for a baffled little creep like George W. Bush. All he knows is that his father started the war a long time ago, and that he, the goofy child President, has been chosen by Fate and the global Oil industry to finish it off.”
― Hunter S. Thompson

Wow, another drug addled Cter. How appropriate.

regardless he is "spot on"

I'm sure he seems that way to you.

Will you be quoting Lindsay Lohan as a source next? Maybe Paris Hilton can shed some light on the subject?