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Topic: God the creator of everything? ..
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 01/02/13 01:09 PM
The only Logical answer is Genesis 1:1 In The Beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth why would an Entity that suposedly "need" for naught have the "need" to create things that are to fear and worship him? ... But I don't fear Him, I love Him and worship Him. I fear his wrath, much like I would fear my father's wrath. Otherwise it is a good question, as he already had angels for companions. well you are supposed to fear God ...perhaps your worshipping the wrong one as for angels being companions...isn't Satan an angel You should fear his wrath in my beliefs. Satan, aka Lucifer, was the brightest angel of all until his downfall. AS for why He created, maybe he is playing? I mean, who knows? so Jesus being crucified is God playing around.... I would say yes as it aligns with his plan. You have to remember it is the soul that counts, not the flesh. I profess I do not know the mind of God. so it was God that crucified Jesus as part of his plan?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 01/02/13 01:11 PM
God doesn't need anything, nor does he need us to fear him. LUKE 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: Fear him, which after he has killed has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, Fear him. ..er..sorry Cowboy...but if you bother to read the bible..you would know this Context Funches, context. Luke 12 4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. context Cowboy Context the passage states that it is God that will kill your body and cast you into Hell and that is why you should fear him No, says he can. Does not say he will. If he does, it was only brought on that person by themselves in the judgement they received from our righteous God's righteous judgement. and that is why you are suppose to fear him No, we are to do it out of love. If something is done for only the reward of oneself it is done in vein. If it is done in vein, it is pointless, meaningless. What is there to fear about God? He offers eternal love and well being. What more could one ask for? What is there to fear in that? well Cowboy you have to argue with God about that ..since he is the one that states that you should fear him ..I merely provided the passage

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 01/02/13 01:12 PM
The only Logical answer is Genesis 1:1 In The Beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth why would an Entity that suposedly "need" for naught have the "need" to create things that are to fear and worship him? ... But I don't fear Him, I love Him and worship Him. I fear his wrath, much like I would fear my father's wrath. Otherwise it is a good question, as he already had angels for companions. well you are supposed to fear God ...perhaps your worshipping the wrong one as for angels being companions...isn't Satan an angel You should fear his wrath in my beliefs. Satan, aka Lucifer, was the brightest angel of all until his downfall. AS for why He created, maybe he is playing? I mean, who knows? so Jesus being crucified is God playing around.... I would say yes as it aligns with his plan. You have to remember it is the soul that counts, not the flesh. I profess I do not know the mind of God. so it was God that crucified Jesus as part of his plan? Yes Jesus was sent and crucified to fulfill the old covenant and to spill his blood for us all, he came to die so you would not have to. And in the process give us the new covenant that replaced the old.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 01/02/13 01:13 PM
God doesn't need anything, nor does he need us to fear him. LUKE 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: Fear him, which after he has killed has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, Fear him. ..er..sorry Cowboy...but if you bother to read the bible..you would know this Context Funches, context. Luke 12 4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. context Cowboy Context the passage states that it is God that will kill your body and cast you into Hell and that is why you should fear him No, says he can. Does not say he will. If he does, it was only brought on that person by themselves in the judgement they received from our righteous God's righteous judgement. and that is why you are suppose to fear him No, we are to do it out of love. If something is done for only the reward of oneself it is done in vein. If it is done in vein, it is pointless, meaningless. What is there to fear about God? He offers eternal love and well being. What more could one ask for? What is there to fear in that? well Cowboy you have to argue with God about that ..since he is the one that states that you should fear him ..I merely provided the passage aye, but you're still taking it out of context. God was saying if there is anything to fear, it is him. For man can do nothing, but God can do anything. Telling us it matters not what man thinks about us, it only matters what God does. That's why it refers to man only being able to kill the body but not the soul.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 01/02/13 01:14 PM
yeah cause think about it... if u do not fear god then nobody would take him serious or the bible.. because lets see for example me.. i do not read the bible i do not know much at all about it but the false things about it so i dont want to waist my time.. but so does that mean i am to go to hell? if not reading the bible meant that you would go to Hell...then GOd would have to build another Hell for the believers so there is a fear in all us because even if you think u will be accepted in heaven then your wrong because nobody can follow all he says.. so does this mean we all go to hell? i know it say we will be forgiven right? so what about those who dont know or educate themselves in this bible.. so does that mean hell is packed and heaven only takes those legit followers? cause im sure none follows all here (could be wrong but it would be very hard in the world we live in) think about...exactly what will you be required to do in Heaven ..you can't do anything that you did on Earth...also you will be a Ghost ...Heaven may actually be Hell

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Wed 01/02/13 01:19 PM
yeah cause think about it... if u do not fear god then nobody would take him serious or the bible.. because lets see for example me.. i do not read the bible i do not know much at all about it but the false things about it so i dont want to waist my time.. but so does that mean i am to go to hell? so there is a fear in all us because even if you think u will be accepted in heaven then your wrong because nobody can follow all he says.. so does this mean we all go to hell? i know it say we will be forgiven right? so what about those who dont know or educate themselves in this bible.. so does that mean hell is packed and heaven only takes those legit followers? cause im sure none follows all here (could be wrong but it would be very hard in the world we live in) It states that if you know not God, God will not acknowledge you. You have free will to believe or not. And no, it is not that hard living by the ten commandments. The hardest one for me is the Sabbath day. I fall down, I go boom! I ask God for forgiveness all the time and try again with a clean slate. As Cowboy says, why should I fear God, he is my Holy Father and instructs me in what is best for me. Hope this helps you in your decision.

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Wed 01/02/13 01:20 PM
The only Logical answer is Genesis 1:1 In The Beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth why would an Entity that suposedly "need" for naught have the "need" to create things that are to fear and worship him? ... But I don't fear Him, I love Him and worship Him. I fear his wrath, much like I would fear my father's wrath. Otherwise it is a good question, as he already had angels for companions. well you are supposed to fear God ...perhaps your worshipping the wrong one as for angels being companions...isn't Satan an angel You should fear his wrath in my beliefs. Satan, aka Lucifer, was the brightest angel of all until his downfall. AS for why He created, maybe he is playing? I mean, who knows? so Jesus being crucified is God playing around.... I would say yes as it aligns with his plan. You have to remember it is the soul that counts, not the flesh. I profess I do not know the mind of God. so it was God that crucified Jesus as part of his plan? Yes, God allowed Jesus to be crucified and Jesus knew his role.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 01/02/13 01:23 PM
The only Logical answer is Genesis 1:1 In The Beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth why would an Entity that suposedly "need" for naught have the "need" to create things that are to fear and worship him? ... But I don't fear Him, I love Him and worship Him. I fear his wrath, much like I would fear my father's wrath. Otherwise it is a good question, as he already had angels for companions. well you are supposed to fear God ...perhaps your worshipping the wrong one as for angels being companions...isn't Satan an angel You should fear his wrath in my beliefs. Satan, aka Lucifer, was the brightest angel of all until his downfall. AS for why He created, maybe he is playing? I mean, who knows? so Jesus being crucified is God playing around.... I would say yes as it aligns with his plan. You have to remember it is the soul that counts, not the flesh. I profess I do not know the mind of God. so it was God that crucified Jesus as part of his plan? Yes, God allowed Jesus to be crucified and Jesus knew his role. someone that knew their role wouldn't have been on the cross crying... My God My God why have you forsaken me ...

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Wed 01/02/13 01:26 PM
The only Logical answer is Genesis 1:1 In The Beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth why would an Entity that suposedly "need" for naught have the "need" to create things that are to fear and worship him? ... But I don't fear Him, I love Him and worship Him. I fear his wrath, much like I would fear my father's wrath. Otherwise it is a good question, as he already had angels for companions. well you are supposed to fear God ...perhaps your worshipping the wrong one as for angels being companions...isn't Satan an angel You should fear his wrath in my beliefs. Satan, aka Lucifer, was the brightest angel of all until his downfall. AS for why He created, maybe he is playing? I mean, who knows? so Jesus being crucified is God playing around.... I would say yes as it aligns with his plan. You have to remember it is the soul that counts, not the flesh. I profess I do not know the mind of God. so it was God that crucified Jesus as part of his plan? Yes, God allowed Jesus to be crucified and Jesus knew his role. someone that knew their role wouldn't have been on the cross crying... My God My God why have you forsaken me ... I don't know if he would or not, he was in the flesh and undergoing a lot of stress you know. He also prayed earlier for this burden to not be put on him.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 01/02/13 01:45 PM
The only Logical answer is Genesis 1:1 In The Beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth why would an Entity that suposedly "need" for naught have the "need" to create things that are to fear and worship him? ... But I don't fear Him, I love Him and worship Him. I fear his wrath, much like I would fear my father's wrath. Otherwise it is a good question, as he already had angels for companions. well you are supposed to fear God ...perhaps your worshipping the wrong one as for angels being companions...isn't Satan an angel You should fear his wrath in my beliefs. Satan, aka Lucifer, was the brightest angel of all until his downfall. AS for why He created, maybe he is playing? I mean, who knows? so Jesus being crucified is God playing around.... I would say yes as it aligns with his plan. You have to remember it is the soul that counts, not the flesh. I profess I do not know the mind of God. so it was God that crucified Jesus as part of his plan? Yes, God allowed Jesus to be crucified and Jesus knew his role. someone that knew their role wouldn't have been on the cross crying... My God My God why have you forsaken me ... I don't know if he would or not, he was in the flesh and undergoing a lot of stress you know. He also prayed earlier for this burden to not be put on him. so I guess he didn't know his role..praying to God not to die for sins....and this is your savior?

Antonfletch Joined Wed 05/30/12 Posts: 99	Wed 01/02/13 01:59 PM
That stuff makes no sense and how could 1 person be the one. so ya'll believe in a book? and jesus dying for us? what exactly did that do? the world is still **** and u who follow legitly are few. so if u can just ask for forgiveness why couldnt i and be ok? so i wouldnt have to fear and i could live my life. so what happens to all those who are busy with life which there are so many.. they will believe in god not the bible which still hasnt proved anything to me but a peiced together book with missing storys. and what about those commandments that they dont care about because im sure there were more then that... who decides that and who decides what should and shouldnt be in the bible... so god lets people alter his words or things? the bible is power.. look back to the kings in europe....

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 01/02/13 03:42 PM
The only Logical answer is Genesis 1:1 In The Beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth why would an Entity that suposedly "need" for naught have the "need" to create things that are to fear and worship him? ... But I don't fear Him, I love Him and worship Him. I fear his wrath, much like I would fear my father's wrath. Otherwise it is a good question, as he already had angels for companions. well you are supposed to fear God ...perhaps your worshipping the wrong one as for angels being companions...isn't Satan an angel You should fear his wrath in my beliefs. Satan, aka Lucifer, was the brightest angel of all until his downfall. AS for why He created, maybe he is playing? I mean, who knows? so Jesus being crucified is God playing around.... I would say yes as it aligns with his plan. You have to remember it is the soul that counts, not the flesh. I profess I do not know the mind of God. so it was God that crucified Jesus as part of his plan? Yes, God allowed Jesus to be crucified and Jesus knew his role. someone that knew their role wouldn't have been on the cross crying... My God My God why have you forsaken me ... I don't know if he would or not, he was in the flesh and undergoing a lot of stress you know. He also prayed earlier for this burden to not be put on him. so I guess he didn't know his role..praying to God not to die for sins....and this is your savior? But he did not pray to not die for sins. What are you talking about? o.O

Antonfletch Joined Wed 05/30/12 Posts: 99	Thu 01/03/13 12:28 AM
no response to me mr cowboy? lol im curious on what u have to say... or can u not answer :p

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 01/03/13 05:39 AM
That stuff makes no sense and how could 1 person be the one. perhaps God is "The Highlander" ..there can only be but one also Neo was "the one" in the movie "The Matrix" Jet Li...was also "The One" so God is "the one" even though it's three of him, or is it one of they"?...or is it three sperate beings under one name?...or is it three parts that act like one ..or is it one that is three?...God probably no longer know what he is now and jesus dying for us? what exactly did that do? taking into account that he is supposedly "Still Alive" ...I guess he didn't do anything but it's the thought that counts

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 01/03/13 05:42 AM
But he did not pray to not die for sins. What are you talking about? o.O Cowboy..."OldHippie" say that Jesus prayed to God that the burden not be put on him .... so is "Oldhippie" a fellow Christian such as yourself wrong?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 01/03/13 06:03 AM
But he did not pray to not die for sins. What are you talking about? o.O Cowboy..."OldHippie" say that Jesus prayed to God that the burden not be put on him .... so is "Oldhippie" a fellow Christian such as yourself wrong? Now, what are you talking about? I never said anyone was wrong.

Antonfletch Joined Wed 05/30/12 Posts: 99	Thu 01/03/13 06:23 AM
aed to be said to this is... Believe in a God not the bible.. it only makes sense... how can one believe a bible that has so much proven stupidness to it?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 01/03/13 06:39 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Thu 01/03/13 06:40 AM
aed to be said to this is... Believe in a God not the bible.. it only makes sense... how can one believe a bible that has so much proven stupidness to it? Nothing in the bible has been proven to be "stupid". The things said in the bible can be backed by third party none religious sources. And anyways "stupid" used in this context is purely a perspective, which you are totally entitled to. And yes the key is to believe in God and not specifically the bible. The bible is merely knowledge, it isn't something divine so to speak, the bible can not save your soul.

Antonfletch Joined Wed 05/30/12 Posts: 99	Thu 01/03/13 06:53 AM
aed to be said to this is... Believe in a God not the bible.. it only makes sense... how can one believe a bible that has so much proven stupidness to it? Nothing in the bible has been proven to be "stupid". The things said in the bible can be backed by third party none religious sources. And anyways "stupid" used in this context is purely a perspective, which you are totally entitled to. And yes the key is to believe in God and not specifically the bible. The bible is merely knowledge, it isn't something divine so to speak, the bible can not save your soul. so its for people who need "inspiring" words? yeah but what about all the bs they didnt put in the bible... where did that nonesense come from? i heard jesus was a bad child? didnt he kill a kid for scuffin his shoes or make another guy turn into something? until i think his parents and some guy told him to stop...? also wasnt there dragons supposably seen in the caves with him as a child? there has to be somewhere this junk comes from and i thought was taken out of the bible or these words were in some book from back then...? but also what are ur proven facts the bible is "true"?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 01/03/13 07:01 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Thu 01/03/13 07:02 AM
aed to be said to this is... Believe in a God not the bible.. it only makes sense... how can one believe a bible that has so much proven stupidness to it? Nothing in the bible has been proven to be "stupid". The things said in the bible can be backed by third party none religious sources. And anyways "stupid" used in this context is purely a perspective, which you are totally entitled to. And yes the key is to believe in God and not specifically the bible. The bible is merely knowledge, it isn't something divine so to speak, the bible can not save your soul. so its for people who need "inspiring" words? yeah but what about all the bs they didnt put in the bible... where did that nonesense come from? i heard jesus was a bad child? didnt he kill a kid for scuffin his shoes or make another guy turn into something? until i think his parents and some guy told him to stop...? also wasnt there dragons supposably seen in the caves with him as a child? there has to be somewhere this junk comes from and i thought was taken out of the bible or these words were in some book from back then...? but also what are ur proven facts the bible is "true"? I think you may have some beliefs mixed up. Jesus was never a bad child, he actually starting preaching as a child. He didn't kill anyone. And he didn't have "parents" in the fashion you're presenting it. Jesus didn't have a mortal dad/father. His mother was the virgin Marry which conceived Jesus through the Holy Spirit. There wasn't any dragons either. There are many different third party sources for the things that are recorded in the bible. Nothing ever proves anything to be "true" in that exact context. Heck if I didn't want to believe the world was round, there's absolutely nothing you could show me to prove it's round. That little bit of fact applies to any and all knowledge. And no, it's not specifically just for inspiring words. It is merely knowledge. That is it. Knowledge of past events, prophecies of the future, and God's laws.