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Topic: Not man enough? Buy a gun
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 12/21/12 03:03 PM
The issue we have here is that the children in this country are owed more safety from legal guns that mow them down in class. So you are still using that lame tactic about the children being owed something? I thought I told you that tactic does not work on me. If they are not being killed by "legal guns" they then it would simply be killed by "illegal guns." It will not solve the problem to be passing more laws against guns. Prohibition of alcohol did not stop people from drinking. It simply opened up a huge opportunity for criminals and gangsters to open new businesses underground, that are tax free. People who think they can 'fix' every problem with new laws are pathetic. They are the kind of people who will paint this country into a police state.

willowdraga Joined Sat 10/13/12 Posts: 957	Fri 12/21/12 03:07 PM
LOL

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 12/21/12 03:12 PM
Seriously you should stop trying to 'fix' every problem that pops up with more freaking laws.

willowdraga Joined Sat 10/13/12 Posts: 957	Fri 12/21/12 05:47 PM
OH so throwing more guns at the problems is a fix all....lol A civilian police state is no better than a state one.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 12/21/12 05:52 PM
OH so throwing more guns at the problems is a fix all....lol A civilian police state is no better than a state one. I don't think anyone should "throw more guns" at the problem. But that would be better than taking guns away from people so they can't defend themselves.

CeriseRose Joined Mon 08/02/10 Posts: 6220	Fri 12/21/12 07:16 PM
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms." -- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 12/21/12 07:21 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 12/21/12 07:23 PM
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms." -- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840 Unfortunately all the good Supreme Court Justices have been replaced with clones that do as they are told.

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 12/21/12 07:53 PM
OH so throwing more guns at the problems is a fix all....lol A civilian police state is no better than a state one. Why not if DC thinks throwing more borrowed money at a debt problem will fix that! Funny how logic goes out the window when they are off the campaign trail!

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Fri 12/21/12 08:46 PM
there is definitely a need for gun CONTROL legislation and I fully support the president's legislation to ban assault (automatic) weapons. I also support private ownership of hunting rifles and handguns...even tho statistically if you use a gun for self defense it is statistically likely to be used against you. not meaning that happens every time but it does frequently enough for there to be not only strict licensing requirements but tangible training requirements with strict performance measures to obtain the license. We need to solve problems - brandishing extreme opinions will not help with that and is usually along the lines of too much defense - thee protesteth too much - why? because extreme arguments are not sound no one with extreme beliefs about gun control can be permitted into any kind of serious debate or the drafting of any type of policy. but they may watch from the sidelines the NRA just disqualified themselves today. they're laughable.

JustDukkyMkII Joined Fri 11/12/10 Posts: 1462	Fri 12/21/12 09:03 PM Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Fri 12/21/12 09:07 PM
I fully support the president's legislation to ban assault (automatic) weapons. Why?…Can we get your rationale? What of the implications regarding the second Amendment?…Do you stand against the Constitution?…Why? statistically if you use a gun for self defense it is statistically likely to be used against you. I seriously question the validity of those statistics. Can you provide a source so that I can analyze them? We need to solve problems - brandishing extreme opinions will not help I agree. Everything should be handled rationally and with sound reasoning. While brandishing "extreme views might not be productive, it is nevertheless necessary to allow everyone a fair hearing, lest we trample someone's right to be heard. Free societies are based on that sort of thing. no one with extreme beliefs about gun control can be permitted into any kind of serious debate or the drafting of any type of policy. but they may watch from the sidelines Who decides what an "extreme" view is? Do you favour the stifling of freedom of expression and free and open debate? the NRA just disqualified themselves today. they're laughable. How did they disqualify themselves, and what makes them laughable?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 12/21/12 09:58 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 12/21/12 10:02 PM
there is definitely a need for gun CONTROL legislation and I fully support the president's legislation to ban assault (automatic) weapons. I also support private ownership of hunting rifles and handguns...even tho statistically if you use a gun for self defense it is statistically likely to be used against you. not meaning that happens every time but it does frequently enough for there to be not only strict licensing requirements but tangible training requirements with strict performance measures to obtain the license. We need to solve problems - brandishing extreme opinions will not help with that and is usually along the lines of too much defense - thee protesteth too much - why? because extreme arguments are not sound no one with extreme beliefs about gun control can be permitted into any kind of serious debate or the drafting of any type of policy. but they may watch from the sidelines the NRA just disqualified themselves today. they're laughable. By your own 'rules' you have disqualified yourself. We need to solve problems? What exactly are the problems? Do you know that an "assault" rifle is defined as a fully automatic weapon and that only the Military have these? The guns used by the citizens are not assault rifles. They just look like them. They are not fully automatic. If fully automatic weapons are banned, does that mean that the Military can't have them? And we can keep our partly automatic weapons and nothing much would change as far as what civilians can own. That would be okay by me.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 12/21/12 09:59 PM
JustDukkyMkII has asked some very good questions. Care to answer them?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 12/22/12 12:39 AM
there is definitely a need for gun CONTROL legislation and I fully support the president's legislation to ban assault (automatic) weapons. I also support private ownership of hunting rifles and handguns...even tho statistically if you use a gun for self defense it is statistically likely to be used against you. not meaning that happens every time but it does frequently enough for there to be not only strict licensing requirements but tangible training requirements with strict performance measures to obtain the license. We need to solve problems - brandishing extreme opinions will not help with that and is usually along the lines of too much defense - thee protesteth too much - why? because extreme arguments are not sound no one with extreme beliefs about gun control can be permitted into any kind of serious debate or the drafting of any type of policy. but they may watch from the sidelines the NRA just disqualified themselves today. they're laughable. automatic weapons have been banned long ago! But I guess the dis-information about Assaultweapons and Automatic weapons suit the anti-Gunners! Now every Journalist who hasn't got the first idea about Firearms rushes into print about this and that and the other Firearm,most of the time on purpose misinforming the Public! Sad to watch a great Nation becoming a Nation of Sheeple,now even volunteering to give up their Rights!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 12/22/12 12:40 AM
Criminals never have any problem arming themselves however they require to do what it is they want to do. That is the nature of the black market. Gun control laws only have an effect on people who have respect for laws. When you take away the rights of citizens to protect themselves, the outlaws blithely continue doing what they were doing before the laws were enacted, with the added security of preying on completely defenseless victims. That said, the definition of "assault rifle" is another can of worms. Often the only difference between a "run-of-the-mill" rifle and an "assault rifle" is the ability of the rifle to sport a bayonet or not. I don't remember hearing anyone ever being stabbed in any of these atrocities. As for high capacity magazines, its the same as a soda ban. People just buy two 16 oz. sodas instead of one 32 oz. soda, and stay just as fat. The same goes for mags. They'll say...just buy two 12 round mags instead of one 24 round mag, and get the same body count. Get it? In a perfect world, legislation would solve problems. Unfortunately, we live in a human one, and humans are good at finding loopholes (if not outright ignoring ink on paper to begin with). If legislation makes you sleep better at night, it just makes it easier for the bad guys to come creeping in while your catching such halcyon Z's. Idealism has its place. In textbooks. Otherwise, let's be realistic (From another site.)

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 12/22/12 01:46 AM
As a veteran I have not touched a weapon in over 30 years, I don't feel the need for one. However; with the massive hysteria going on, I will probably have to buy one. If I fear anything it is the government, taking away my rights as a lawful peaceful citizen. Then we have tyranny. When the people fear the government.... and we still have some liberty Because the government apparently fears the people.... They want to take our guns away. Its a face off. LOL silly for real The government couldn't care less about little private gun owners. Their firepower is way beyond the automatic pea shooters that the private citizens have. If the little gun owners rise up, the government can take them out of their misery in one fell humane swoop. For real. It is us citizens who are tired of the right of fearful shooters over riding the right to not be shot by them. For Couldn't Care Less by Government they sure do worry a lot about private Gun-Ownership!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 12/22/12 01:59 AM
OH so throwing more guns at the problems is a fix all....lol A civilian police state is no better than a state one. and what is a Civilian Police-State! Who thunk up that Monstrosity?

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 12/22/12 04:04 AM Edited by sweetestgirl11 on Sat 12/22/12 04:15 AM
I fully support the president's legislation to ban assault (automatic) weapons. Why?…Can we get your rationale? What of the implications regarding the second Amendment?…Do you stand against the Constitution?…Why? statistically if you use a gun for self defense it is statistically likely to be used against you. I seriously question the validity of those statistics. Can you provide a source so that I can analyze them? We need to solve problems - brandishing extreme opinions will not help I agree. Everything should be handled rationally and with sound reasoning. While brandishing "extreme views might not be productive, it is nevertheless necessary to allow everyone a fair hearing, lest we trample someone's right to be heard. Free societies are based on that sort of thing. no one with extreme beliefs about gun control can be permitted into any kind of serious debate or the drafting of any type of policy. but they may watch from the sidelines Who decides what an "extreme" view is? Do you favour the stifling of freedom of expression and free and open debate? the NRA just disqualified themselves today. they're laughable. How did they disqualify themselves, and what makes them laughable? the answer to the questions (some of them) are already there. The rest I may not answer because gun radicals are too extreme to ask honest questions. They are questions with an agenda and that is usually to argue. It is the voice of reason not extremism that is needed. If you are so extreme that you cannot understand the need for tangible rules regarding firearms then we have no further foundation on which to communicate. That is your answer, and explains why extremists on BOTH sides must be eliminated from serious policy making. It does not mean they cannot express themselves (another extremist tactic you implemented- twisting meaning to detract from the validity of an opposing viewpoint) statistics for crimes with weapons are available thru the justice dept. I can't remember the sources but you are welcome to research it. Most of what I have read is either news stories or justice dept stats. It is not my job to remember the sources I read in order to inform you.

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 12/22/12 04:06 AM
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms." -- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840 I see no one advocating making arms illegal for licensed citizens. I see a call for limits and that is reasonable. Gun extremists sit on this so called "disarming" cry as a scare tactic when it is not what anyone is advocating

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 12/22/12 04:16 AM
there is definitely a need for gun CONTROL legislation and I fully support the president's legislation to ban assault (automatic) weapons. I also support private ownership of hunting rifles and handguns...even tho statistically if you use a gun for self defense it is statistically likely to be used against you. not meaning that happens every time but it does frequently enough for there to be not only strict licensing requirements but tangible training requirements with strict performance measures to obtain the license. We need to solve problems - brandishing extreme opinions will not help with that and is usually along the lines of too much defense - thee protesteth too much - why? because extreme arguments are not sound no one with extreme beliefs about gun control can be permitted into any kind of serious debate or the drafting of any type of policy. but they may watch from the sidelines the NRA just disqualified themselves today. they're laughable. automatic weapons have been banned long ago! But I guess the dis-information about Assaultweapons and Automatic weapons suit the anti-Gunners! Now every Journalist who hasn't got the first idea about Firearms rushes into print about this and that and the other Firearm,most of the time on purpose misinforming the Public! Sad to watch a great Nation becoming a Nation of Sheeple,now even volunteering to give up their Rights! you are not american but for some reason obssesed with us I take it. The assault weapons ban expired

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 12/22/12 04:19 AM
JustDukkyMkII has asked some very good questions. Care to answer them? I take it that was directed at me and if so my response is that I did not see any comment of mine directed to you.