Where's da' proof?

It is obvious, they never save the day....

Because law abiding citizens who own guns don't carry where it's against the law to carry.

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women.. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out f or answers.



"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.



"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA—because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.



I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy—it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.



Your laws ignore our deepest needs,

Your words are empty air.

You've stripped away our heritage,

You've outlawed simple prayer.

Now gunshots fill our classrooms,

And precious children die.

You seek for answers everywhere,

And ask the question "Why?"

You regulate restrictive laws,

Through legislative creed.

And yet you fail to understand,

That God is what we need!



"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs—politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.



"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA—I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!



My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"


-Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado

yeh, because they are law abiding citizens...

But the criminals are another story. They love gun free zones.

NEVER?

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html



More like main stream news is not all that interested. The man had good situational awareness and didn't spray into any crowds, but wasn't gunna let this guy kill unopposed.

THAT is what we need more of!

Okay I will concede...almost never is pretty close to never....

Same thing in a gun amassed zone except just in case one of the gun toters gets a round off, which they never do, duck for "friendly fire".

But there have been gun toters there in these situations and they STILL do not save the day.

It just doesn't happen...

The only few times it has almost happened is when it was off duty law enforcement or military that happened to be there.

Regular citizens just do not save the day. They tote guns because they think it makes them more powerful and it doesn't.

Millions of examples, but no you would never accept people being asked on surveys if they had ever brandished a weapon in defense of their lives.

Even if you only accept a small % of those it would be significant.

Interestingly enough the FBI has done independent research and shown hundreds of thousands of people every year successfully use a firearm to defend themselves from an attack which could have lead to serious harm or death. Doesn't take many years to add up to millions.

So even the most conservative estimates make it millions of examples over 20 years of data.

Not.

Not valid because it would be main stream worthy.

So it is just some garbage made up by the gun fanatics.

The FBI?

Oh and brandishing your weapon during road rage or at the neighbor you hate over a dispute might be considered life threatening to a gun fanatic....

Where did you get that? Not from the FBI's data . . .

. . . and minor correction, all incident added up to hundreds of thousands, only a small % involved shooting, but clearly not all of them were stopped by merely brandishing a firearm.

It would be main stream worthy if it were truly there.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

yea that isn't there and I have been all over that site before to cover my own information on debates.

*ahem*BS*ahem*

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/25/153427.shtml

Two of the three Virginia law students who overpowered a gunman in a fatal school shooting were armed and used their weapons to disarm the shooter. Yet of the 280 stories written about the shooting, a mere four mentioned the fact that the heroic students were armed and used their guns to halt the rampage.

They were off duty police or military so they don't count as average gun toters anyway I already said that. And the shooters ammo was gone so it was kinda not valid anyway