Topic: Why Barry CHOSE to let them Die in Benghazi
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Fri 11/02/12 02:28 PM
By Karin McQuillan

The burning question is why Obama didn't give orders to defend our consulate and American lives in Benghazi. The answer is becoming clearer each time President Obama and Secretary of Defense Panetta issue a denial or explanation of their inaction.

To the president's surprise, he chanced on an honest reporter during a local interview on the campaign trail in Denver. On October 26, for the first time, Obama was asked directly about the explosive reports on CBS and Fox News, a week earlier, that the CIA and our military denied direct requests for help by the Americans fighting for their lives during the seven-hour battle in Benghazi.

Denver TV's Kyle Clark twice tried to pin Obama down by asking the key question: "Were they denied requests for help during the attack?"

Obama's answer is the proof of his guilt, and it gives us a clue as to the doctrine informing his decision to do nothing. The most damaging part of Obama's evasive answer is this:

... the minute I found out what was happening, I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. ... I guarantee you that everyone in the state department, our military, the CIA, you name it, had number-one priority making sure that people were safe.

This is the blatant lie that condemns the liar. The president says here that immediately, "the minute I found out what was happening," he gave the order to the military, the CIA, to everyone, to secure our personnel in Benghazi and do "whatever we need to."

Yet the undeniable fact is that nothing was done. We know that the CIA security agent in Benghazi, Tyrone Woods, asked for permission to rescue Ambassador Stevens when Stevens was still alive and in the safe room. Woods was told twice by the CIA to stand down. He then disobeyed direct orders and rescued the survivors at the consulate, but it was too late for Stevens and Sean Smith.

Secretary of Defense Panetta tells us the military had gunships and Special Forces less than two hours away in Sicily but felt it was too "risky" to send in reinforcements or air cover. It would have been normal military procedure to pre-position air cover and assets from Sicily to Benghazi, but Panetta says this was not done. The air support and FAST platoons, we are told, were left in Sicily. All the U.S. military did was send two unarmed drones to observe the battle.

So if President Obama is not lying about his directives, he is saying that the CIA and the Defense Department and our military chain of command disobeyed the direct order of our commander in chief to do everything in their power to rescue our people under attack in Benghazi. And that as commander in chief, Obama did nothing in response to their dereliction of duty.

That doesn't happen. No one believes that; the president is lying. He did not issue directives to the CIA, our military, and State to "secure our personnel" and "do whatever we need to do."

We know it was not the CIA on its own that made the decision to abandon Ambassador Stevens and the eight others with him in the consulate. The CIA say they did not advise anyone in the administration to deny help to the Americans in Benghazi. A CIA spokesman on October 27 issued this statement:

No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate.

General Carter F. Ham, the combatant commander of Africa Command (AFRICOM), says he was never asked to send help.

Congressman Jason Chaffetz, Utah Republican, said that General Ham told him during a visit to Libya that he had never been asked to provide military support for the Americans under attack in Benghazi.

On October 18, General Ham resigned.

Panetta explained why no help was sent on October 26, the same day Obama was telling the Denver reporter he had ordered the military to do "whatever we need to."

Panetta admitted we did nothing. He says the military had the readiness and capability to help. He says the military responded quickly and deployed forces close to Benghazi, ready and capable of responding "to any contingency."

We quickly responded, as General Dempsey said, in terms of deploying forces to the region. We had FAST platoons in the region. We had ships that we had deployed off of Libya. We were prepared to respond to any contingency and certainly had forces in place to do that.

Panetta then tells us why the forces were never deployed. He says the top leadership of our military didn't want to send reinforcements, even air support, into harm's way. It was too risky. Panetta does not indicate that he knew of Obama's supposed directives to do "whatever we need to" to save the Americans trapped in the 9/11 attack.

"[The] basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.

Note that General Ham had already told Congressman Chaffetz he was never asked to provide military support.

Panetta's statement that we didn't have enough intelligence to risk sending air or combat support is not credible. We had real-time information by video, radio, and e-mail. We had laser targets painted on their mortar nest. When else do you send reinforcements, if not into dangerous situations?

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Fri 11/02/12 02:28 PM
Max Boot writes in Commentary:

Special Operations Forces and other military forces are used to acting on incomplete information, especially in a situation where Americans are under fire and in danger of being overrun. At that point, caution is normally thrown to the wind, and Quick Reaction Forces are launched.

We certainly could have saved the lives of CIA agents Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty if President Obama had given orders to do so. There were two drones and perhaps a gunship overhead. The two men died because they painted laser targets on the jihadi mortar nests. They were radioing for air cover, expecting that the target would be bombed and the jihadi attack ended. This is what Navy SEALs do. We have learned from experts that American Special Forces paint such laser targets only when air cover is immediately available, as it gives away your position to the enemy. According to these experts, Woods and Doherty must have believed that air cover was immediately available. Their calls for air support went unanswered, and they died.

If there weren't a manned drone and a gunship sent out -- it was now six hours into the battle -- that indicates that Obama and Panetta did not direct the military to be ready to intervene if necessary. If the drone was sent unarmed and the gunship never sent, it says the military never intended to help under any circumstances.

Bing West, a distinguished combat correspondent and former assistant secretary of defense, has produced a timeline of the Benghazi attacks, which went on for most of the night, suggesting there was plenty of time for substantial U.S. forces to scramble from the U.S. base at Sigonella, Sicily, located almost exactly as far away from Benghazi as the Libyan capital of Tripoli, from whence a small, ill-armed quick-reaction force of 22 men was finally sent. "Stationed at Sigonella," he notes, "were Special Operations Forces, transport aircraft, and attack aircraft - a much more formidable force than 22 men from the embassy."

President Obama says, "I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to." It is clear that he did not issue such a directive, or else the CIA and the military defied him.

Why would our president not come to the defense of our consulate under attack? This is an attack on American soil. This was a 9/11 attack by an al-Qaeda branch in Libya. Therein lies the answer.

Obama does not believe in using the military to defend our national security, which he sees as aggressive, Republican, and cowboy. This was Obama's 9/11, not Bush's. He did not see the attack on our embassy as a jihadi attack on American soil. He saw a group of aggrieved Muslim citizens, with good reason to be angry -- the spontaneous mob enraged by an offensive video. He would follow a Democrat policy of promoting peace, not war, in which avoiding civilian casualties is the paramount goal.

The other answer is directly political. It would be damaging for Obama's already weak record to admit that there was a 9/11 attack by al-Qaeda in one of the supposed successes of the Arab Spring. Responding militarily would have made the weaknesses of Obama's foreign policy all too evident. An American military response would have undercut one of Obama's main campaign slogans: "GM is alive and Osama is dead."

Treating Benghazi as a spontaneous mob attack inflamed by an offensive, Islamophobic video was a flimsy story, but the liberal media was quite willing to accept it without question. Our politically corrupt media not only went along with that nonsense, but so crucified Romney for daring to comment on what happened that Romney shut up. The story of the offensive video played to Obama's progressive base, which believes that there is no war on terror -- just bad behavior by bigoted Americans that causes Muslims to attack us.

Obama's ideology blinded him to the need to defend American lives under al-Qaeda attack on 9/11/12. He put his ideology and his politics ahead of Americans lives. He let four brave men serving our country fight without help and die.

This decision will doom Obama's chances of re-election if widely known. That is why our politically corrupt media is censoring this news as hard as it can. They do not want the majority of Americans to know. But they cannot keep the lid on. It is too big, and too awful. The only question is one of time before Election Day.


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Fri 11/02/12 02:30 PM
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The Post-American World.


RoamingOrator's photo
Fri 11/02/12 03:11 PM
I think what you seem to be missing is that this incident is the direct result of almost 50 years of government policy. The citizens of the United States are no longer willing to tolerate the killing of "foreign" civilians. Oh, we don't mind when American military groups (including the FBI, DEA, state and local policing agencies) kill Americans, but a someone from another nation, well that's just horrible!

When the press started showing images of dead women or children during the Vietnam War, the people were horrified. Now, we call ahead to say where we will drop bombs so that civilians can get out. So to say that the President should have sent gunships to support the embassy is ludicrous. If he had, you'd be on here touting him as a "baby killer" (much like they did with Nixon). The same would of occurred if we'd of allowed the Marines stationed there lay fire into the crowd that was breaking down the gates. I have no doubt that the Marine contingent that was there could have laid wast to the entire crowd, but that is against our policy. Why? Because "we the people" won't allow it.

You complain when he drone strikes terrorists, you complain when he doesn't. Try to get your "side" straight so we know where you stand, but don't sit here and whine about command decisions that are not easy to make.

There isn't a person in the world that understands the pressures put upon the President of the United States, except the five remaining presidents. Almost every choice one makes effects the lives of millions of people. If it costs four American lives to prevent a war that would cost the lives of 5000 Americans, then it's a hard choice. But sending gunships into the territory of a sovereign nation is just that - an act of war, and quite frankly, one we can't afford and don't need to fight.

As far as the book is concerned, how do you know that isn't the one he's got hollowed out to hide his smokes?

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Fri 11/02/12 03:28 PM

I think what you seem to be missing is that this incident is the direct result of almost 50 years of government policy. The citizens of the United States are no longer willing to tolerate the killing of "foreign" civilians. Oh, we don't mind when American military groups (including the FBI, DEA, state and local policing agencies) kill Americans, but a someone from another nation, well that's just horrible!

When the press started showing images of dead women or children during the Vietnam War, the people were horrified. Now, we call ahead to say where we will drop bombs so that civilians can get out. So to say that the President should have sent gunships to support the embassy is ludicrous. If he had, you'd be on here touting him as a "baby killer" (much like they did with Nixon). The same would of occurred if we'd of allowed the Marines stationed there lay fire into the crowd that was breaking down the gates. I have no doubt that the Marine contingent that was there could have laid wast to the entire crowd, but that is against our policy. Why? Because "we the people" won't allow it.

You complain when he drone strikes terrorists, you complain when he doesn't. Try to get your "side" straight so we know where you stand, but don't sit here and whine about command decisions that are not easy to make.

There isn't a person in the world that understands the pressures put upon the President of the United States, except the five remaining presidents. Almost every choice one makes effects the lives of millions of people. If it costs four American lives to prevent a war that would cost the lives of 5000 Americans, then it's a hard choice. But sending gunships into the territory of a sovereign nation is just that - an act of war, and quite frankly, one we can't afford and don't need to fight.

As far as the book is concerned, how do you know that isn't the one he's got hollowed out to hide his smokes?
so,it was spontaneous then?

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Fri 11/02/12 03:41 PM


I think what you seem to be missing is that this incident is the direct result of almost 50 years of government policy. The citizens of the United States are no longer willing to tolerate the killing of "foreign" civilians. Oh, we don't mind when American military groups (including the FBI, DEA, state and local policing agencies) kill Americans, but a someone from another nation, well that's just horrible!

When the press started showing images of dead women or children during the Vietnam War, the people were horrified. Now, we call ahead to say where we will drop bombs so that civilians can get out. So to say that the President should have sent gunships to support the embassy is ludicrous. If he had, you'd be on here touting him as a "baby killer" (much like they did with Nixon). The same would of occurred if we'd of allowed the Marines stationed there lay fire into the crowd that was breaking down the gates. I have no doubt that the Marine contingent that was there could have laid wast to the entire crowd, but that is against our policy. Why? Because "we the people" won't allow it.

You complain when he drone strikes terrorists, you complain when he doesn't. Try to get your "side" straight so we know where you stand, but don't sit here and whine about command decisions that are not easy to make.

There isn't a person in the world that understands the pressures put upon the President of the United States, except the five remaining presidents. Almost every choice one makes effects the lives of millions of people. If it costs four American lives to prevent a war that would cost the lives of 5000 Americans, then it's a hard choice. But sending gunships into the territory of a sovereign nation is just that - an act of war, and quite frankly, one we can't afford and don't need to fight.

As far as the book is concerned, how do you know that isn't the one he's got hollowed out to hide his smokes?
so,it was spontaneous then?


It doesn't matter. The American people will not tolerate us using the military in a "bullying" manner.

Personally, I think that the rioters were probably hooked in via social media to the riot in Egypt (a distance of about 90 miles). It started as a protest against a video that we had nothing to do with, and as any good group will, subversives saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

The question you don't ask is what would you do if it occurred here? For example, if a group of Americans were protesting outside the Egyptian embassy, and they shot into the crowd. What would be the actions of the American citizenry?

By simplifying the question, you forget that the troops there, even with heightened security, would have been severely outnumbered. If shots would have been fired, there would have been more than just four dead. It shouldn't take a genius to figure that out. I think instead of railing on bout the loss, we should honor the Ambassador for his courage, his calm, and his sacrifice. Because of his actions cooler heads prevailed, and because of his sacrifice our troops aren't getting shelled by Libyans right now.

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Fri 11/02/12 04:03 PM
Edited by Peccy on Fri 11/02/12 04:04 PM



I think what you seem to be missing is that this incident is the direct result of almost 50 years of government policy. The citizens of the United States are no longer willing to tolerate the killing of "foreign" civilians. Oh, we don't mind when American military groups (including the FBI, DEA, state and local policing agencies) kill Americans, but a someone from another nation, well that's just horrible!

When the press started showing images of dead women or children during the Vietnam War, the people were horrified. Now, we call ahead to say where we will drop bombs so that civilians can get out. So to say that the President should have sent gunships to support the embassy is ludicrous. If he had, you'd be on here touting him as a "baby killer" (much like they did with Nixon). The same would of occurred if we'd of allowed the Marines stationed there lay fire into the crowd that was breaking down the gates. I have no doubt that the Marine contingent that was there could have laid wast to the entire crowd, but that is against our policy. Why? Because "we the people" won't allow it.

You complain when he drone strikes terrorists, you complain when he doesn't. Try to get your "side" straight so we know where you stand, but don't sit here and whine about command decisions that are not easy to make.

There isn't a person in the world that understands the pressures put upon the President of the United States, except the five remaining presidents. Almost every choice one makes effects the lives of millions of people. If it costs four American lives to prevent a war that would cost the lives of 5000 Americans, then it's a hard choice. But sending gunships into the territory of a sovereign nation is just that - an act of war, and quite frankly, one we can't afford and don't need to fight.

As far as the book is concerned, how do you know that isn't the one he's got hollowed out to hide his smokes?
so,it was spontaneous then?


It doesn't matter. The American people will not tolerate us using the military in a "bullying" manner.

Personally, I think that the rioters were probably hooked in via social media to the riot in Egypt (a distance of about 90 miles). It started as a protest against a video that we had nothing to do with, and as any good group will, subversives saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

The question you don't ask is what would you do if it occurred here? For example, if a group of Americans were protesting outside the Egyptian embassy, and they shot into the crowd. What would be the actions of the American citizenry?

By simplifying the question, you forget that the troops there, even with heightened security, would have been severely outnumbered. If shots would have been fired, there would have been more than just four dead. It shouldn't take a genius to figure that out. I think instead of railing on bout the loss, we should honor the Ambassador for his courage, his calm, and his sacrifice. Because of his actions cooler heads prevailed, and because of his sacrifice our troops aren't getting shelled by Libyans right now.
I have yet to understand how people are ok with this and try to make up ways to defend the non-action.

It didn't happen here, no matter how people try to spin this, fact is someone fell down on the job.

And from what I understand it wasn't just people protesting outside. If it were, why was the request for more security made days before it happened?

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Fri 11/02/12 04:45 PM
Edited by willing2 on Fri 11/02/12 04:48 PM
Barry lied.
Clinton lied.
They changed their stories, how many times?

It's also coming to light, Stevens was supposed to be kidnapped. Kidnapped and killed or kidnapped for some sort of leverage?

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Fri 11/02/12 05:13 PM

Barry lied.
Clinton lied.
They changed their stories, how many times?

It's also coming to light, Stevens was supposed to be kidnapped. Kidnapped and killed or kidnapped for some sort of leverage?


Oh? Just what news organization is reporting that the incident was a kidnapping attempt gone bad? Your claim so non-credible that not even Drudge has mentioned it.

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Fri 11/02/12 05:26 PM


Barry lied.
Clinton lied.
They changed their stories, how many times?

It's also coming to light, Stevens was supposed to be kidnapped. Kidnapped and killed or kidnapped for some sort of leverage?


Oh? Just what news organization is reporting that the incident was a kidnapping attempt gone bad? Your claim so non-credible that not even Drudge has mentioned it.

Just takes a little investigative reading.

There are even hints that part of Steven's job was running guns for Barry.

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Fri 11/02/12 06:09 PM



Barry lied.
Clinton lied.
They changed their stories, how many times?

It's also coming to light, Stevens was supposed to be kidnapped. Kidnapped and killed or kidnapped for some sort of leverage?


Oh? Just what news organization is reporting that the incident was a kidnapping attempt gone bad? Your claim so non-credible that not even Drudge has mentioned it.

Just takes a little investigative reading.

There are even hints that part of Steven's job was running guns for Barry.

Again you throw out a wild claim without supporting it with evidence. It is your job to present evidence if you want me to believe such a claim.

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Fri 11/02/12 08:47 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 11/02/12 08:48 PM

There are several sites (even Hannity's site) with this alligation....

It's old news and why Killary took the hit to try and save Obozos Oct surprize......that failed badly!

http://rogersparkbench.blogspot.com/search?q=