What would it take to make me believe? Honestly, not a goddamn thing_but the story of God to show hisself and since that's never happened, it never will.

Yeah, I believed for 52 frigging years of my life, all a joke now that I know he ain't real. It pisses me off bad that those idiots long ago put that crap out there. Many lives deceived living a constant lie, what a joke, and the joke is on all those who still believe. I will say this is any believer if God is real, he's a ****ing *******.

I don't believe. I may have, at some point in my life, 'thought' I believed. I was mistaken. It was temporary insanity.

I have faith. I have faith in humanity to do stupid things. I have faith in humanity to prove me wrong and do incredible things. And sometimes I'm even astounded to see it happen.

But I have no faith in some imaginary being that is obviously bipolar and vindictive and mean and unable to get its story straight. I have zero faith in some book being anything more than the mythologies of other cultures.

Christianity is nothing more than a bunch of borrowed persons and stories from Egyptian mythology. They couldn't even develop their own story and had to plagiarize.

Well, a valid scientific proof, definately :D

The only thing that would convince me would be if God showed up in person. Now, there would be some tests, because it's not a topic where I could be easily swayed.

I would believe in god if there was an amputated leg, that totally regenerated itself. So a leg cut off, and then it grows back to full functionality. That would be the test of being "cured" that I could accept.

It would be nice to start with clear and unambiguous a definition of the thing that we're talking about (not) believing.



You mean specifically in humans ? Any already observed/documented/researched body part regeneration in other animals don't count, correct? If yes, wouldn't this simply be *a* god of *a* gap ?

Even if an amputated leg grew back only after (not saying "because", you know, not imputing causation due to correlation) the efforts of a bunch of people who researched and experimented (say) the application of lizard tail genes even before the amputation ... ? Maybe only till you come to know about this little back story.

The way I see it, any such miracle (like anything less or more miraculous) would be hailed as a miracle by some and researched as a new phenomenon by some ... and some may be in both groups.

There is only 1 thing that could make me change from an agnostic to a believer.
Stop all the pain & suffering being caused by the azzhats of the world trying to get richer/more powerful/more control over others.
If that happened, if war and child abuse suddenly stopped happening all over the world - then yes, I could become a believer.
I wouldn't even have to see this deity, just proof of its works in that way would be enough.

On the flip side let's say there is some sort of prime mover, a god or gods that actually do exist.
Even if that were true - in fact even more so because of that existence AND still the suffering goes on - then any such "deity" is a terrible thing and certainly not deserving of worship and obeisance by any sane human being.

What is most astonishing to me is that people in massive numbers can worship such an idea IN SPITE OF that entity's failures to deliver kindness and end suffering - it's as though they are worshiping the evil and suffering itself - which is why, in addition to being an agnostic on the subject of a prime mover (there is not 1 single indisputable proof of such a being throughout history, aside from tall tales handed down for millennia) I am also someone who views "religious" people with great disdain.

Not those who are spiritual, mind you, just the ones going around promoting this brand or the other of "religion".
They are intellectually lazy, substituting effort to gain knowledge with simple "faith"/"belief", and have NEVER seriously questioned the subject matter.

Not saying I am any sort of expert on the matter either but I did spend my formative years surrounded by the church and its teachings and even studied all the major religions, and some of the minor ones, for 2 years during high school.
It is most likely that those religious studies are what converted me to agnosticism, aside from the pure azzhattery present in the world and seemingly to me MOST present within those who profess a belief in a religion.

The most decent human being I ever met was my father-in-law.
Not once in the 5 years he was alive after I met him did he ever say 1 thing about religion or try to convert me.
He simply lived every single minute of his life in line with his belief in the goodness of a Catholic version of God who cares about people - which is far better than any supposed creator has ever done on this Earth.