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I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to. The Norad tapes!! 
All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could scramble jets to their locations. It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned and carried out the attacks. Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them. In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible. Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608 What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some. 
They weren't the only Planes aloft that morning! I know,someone will tell me again,B-but there is Radar!
Yes, the radar. Have a look at this twoofer's ridiculous attempt to show how the radar signatures prove Flight 175 was a hologram. This is hilarious! http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=236532 The pilots and radar experts murder his asinine contention and he comes back for more. I love it! At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government. You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government. The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet. EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS THE ANSWERS YEARS AGO
just a few who refuse to see the 3 foot writing on the wall but all the science and engineering and investigations successfully concluded years ago. Conclusion: Terrorist Attack - al-Qaeda did it.
Broken record. Boring....  
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I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to. The Norad tapes!!
All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could scramble jets to their locations. It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned and carried out the attacks. Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them. In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible. Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608 What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some.
They weren't the only Planes aloft that morning! I know,someone will tell me again,B-but there is Radar!
Yes, the radar. Have a look at this twoofer's ridiculous attempt to show how the radar signatures prove Flight 175 was a hologram. This is hilarious! http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=236532 The pilots and radar experts murder his asinine contention and he comes back for more. I love it! At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government. You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government. The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet. EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS THE ANSWERS YEARS AGO
just a few who refuse to see the 3 foot writing on the wall but all the science and engineering and investigations successfully concluded years ago. Conclusion: Terrorist Attack - al-Qaeda did it.
Broken record. Boring....
No one ever said the truth had to be "not boring".
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So Mightymoe, if you have it all figured out how to make 20 million dollars by writing a book, then why haven't you done it? 
i wasn't involved with a national incident to lie about... |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Thu 09/13/12 02:10 PM
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I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to. The Norad tapes!!
All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could scramble jets to their locations. It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned and carried out the attacks. Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them. In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible. Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608 What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some.
Oh of course not, we want them to allow the planes to hit their targets and kill thousands of people. duh~ yeh, that's what we want.... 
So, if the tapes show how inept the response was to the situation and you believe that was their design, why are the discrepancies significant and what do they prove for you? The 'twoofer' narrative regarding these tapes states that they show how the air force didn't shoot down the plane, thus it's a conspiracy. So, what did they expect? Do sane people really believe that the Air Force would have shot down plane loads of civilians? Do you understand now? The tapes clearly show confusion and disarray owing to the hijackers turning off the transponders. So, how exactly, do these tapes prove it was by design? I await an erudite and well thought out response. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Thu 09/13/12 01:48 PM
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At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government.
Well, perhaps it's the questions that are the problem. You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government.
It's not a waste of time-it's a great laugh. That's why I like your threads. The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet.
Well, people like you shouldn't tell others what they should do. This massive 'cover-up' is just a silly fantasy and I'm not getting in the way of the truth, I'm exposing stupidity. Perhaps you should step aside and keep quiet? |
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Edited by
Chazster
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Thu 09/13/12 02:27 PM
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So Mightymoe, if you have it all figured out how to make 20 million dollars by writing a book, then why haven't you done it?
i wasn't involved with a national incident to lie about... And Eddy Van Halen makes millions playing guitar. Why don't you do that? Or make movies like Tom Cruise. |
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So Mightymoe, if you have it all figured out how to make 20 million dollars by writing a book, then why haven't you done it?
i wasn't involved with a national incident to lie about... And Eddy Van Galen makes millions playing guitar. Why don't you do that? Or make movies like Tom Cruise. Why isn't everybody rich? |
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So Mightymoe, if you have it all figured out how to make 20 million dollars by writing a book, then why haven't you done it?
i wasn't involved with a national incident to lie about... And Eddy Van Galen makes millions playing guitar. Why don't you do that? Or make movies like Tom Cruise. i could be another steven van cruise...
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At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government.
Well, perhaps it's the questions that are the problem. You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government.
It's not a waste of time-it's a great laugh. That's why I like your threads. The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet.
Well, people like you shouldn't tell others what they should do. This massive 'cover-up' is just a silly fantasy and I'm not getting in the way of the truth, I'm exposing stupidity. Perhaps you should step aside and keep quiet? sorry, HR, JB is the only one that knows the "truth", the rest of us are just stupid compared to her investigating skillz.. who else could find out about the energy weapon that melts engine blocks, or another one the turns metal into dust... seems weird they would use them both at 9-11, at the same time... but what would a good government cover-up be without 2 energy weapons? |
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At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government.
Well, perhaps it's the questions that are the problem. You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government.
It's not a waste of time-it's a great laugh. That's why I like your threads. The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet.
Well, people like you shouldn't tell others what they should do. This massive 'cover-up' is just a silly fantasy and I'm not getting in the way of the truth, I'm exposing stupidity. Perhaps you should step aside and keep quiet? sorry, HR, JB is the only one that knows the "truth", the rest of us are just stupid compared to her investigating skillz.. who else could find out about the energy weapon that melts engine blocks, or another one the turns metal into dust... seems weird they would use them both at 9-11, at the same time... but what would a good government cover-up be without 2 energy weapons?
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At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government.
Well, perhaps it's the questions that are the problem. You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government.
It's not a waste of time-it's a great laugh. That's why I like your threads. The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet.
Well, people like you shouldn't tell others what they should do. This massive 'cover-up' is just a silly fantasy and I'm not getting in the way of the truth, I'm exposing stupidity. Perhaps you should step aside and keep quiet? sorry, HR, JB is the only one that knows the "truth", the rest of us are just stupid compared to her investigating skillz.. who else could find out about the energy weapon that melts engine blocks, or another one the turns metal into dust... seems weird they would use them both at 9-11, at the same time... but what would a good government cover-up be without 2 energy weapons?
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Thu 09/13/12 02:34 PM
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At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government.
Well, perhaps it's the questions that are the problem. You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government.
It's not a waste of time-it's a great laugh. That's why I like your threads. The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet.
Well, people like you shouldn't tell others what they should do. This massive 'cover-up' is just a silly fantasy and I'm not getting in the way of the truth, I'm exposing stupidity. Perhaps you should step aside and keep quiet? sorry, HR, JB is the only one that knows the "truth", the rest of us are just stupid compared to her investigating skillz.. who else could find out about the energy weapon that melts engine blocks, or another one the turns metal into dust... seems weird they would use them both at 9-11, at the same time... but what would a good government cover-up be without 2 energy weapons?
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And the most hilarious theory of all... a third world country and Arabs took a few flying lessons, got past airport security, and nearly took out New York and the pentagon.
The government first claimed that they "had no idea anything like this could happen" and yet they had jets on some wild goose chase on a training mission with the identical scenario, and they could not tell the real attack from the training mission. They claim that they "never imagined" planes would be used for an attack, and yet they were practicing that exact exercise at the exact same time of the real attack. That's a story for stupid people. And yet that is their story....
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What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some.
Oh of course not, we want them to allow the planes to hit their targets and kill thousands of people. duh~ yeh, that's what we want....
So, if the tapes show how inept the response was to the situation and you believe that was their design, why are the discrepancies significant and what do they prove for you? The 'twoofer' narrative regarding these tapes states that they show how the air force didn't shoot down the plane, thus it's a conspiracy. So, what did they expect? Do sane people really believe that the Air Force would have shot down plane loads of civilians? Do you understand now? The tapes clearly show confusion and disarray owing to the hijackers turning off the transponders. So, how exactly, do these tapes prove it was by design? I await an erudite and well thought out response. I'll try this again. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Thu 09/13/12 03:54 PM
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And the most hilarious theory of all... a third world country and Arabs took a few flying lessons, got past airport security, and nearly took out New York and the pentagon. The government first claimed that they "had no idea anything like this could happen" and yet they had jets on some wild goose chase on a training mission with the identical scenario, and they could not tell the real attack from the training mission. They claim that they "never imagined" planes would be used for an attack, and yet they were practicing that exact exercise at the exact same time of the real attack. That's a story for stupid people. And yet that is their story.... And those with a grasp of logic would realise that the whole episode highlighted the failure in communication between government depts. Did the commission not address this very problem? Your simplistic assessment conveniently ignores this possibility, or perhaps, that in itself is by design. |
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Edited by
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Thu 09/13/12 05:39 PM
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What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some.
Oh of course not, we want them to allow the planes to hit their targets and kill thousands of people. duh~ yeh, that's what we want....
So, if the tapes show how inept the response was to the situation and you believe that was their design, why are the discrepancies significant and what do they prove for you? The 'twoofer' narrative regarding these tapes states that they show how the air force didn't shoot down the plane, thus it's a conspiracy. So, what did they expect? Do sane people really believe that the Air Force would have shot down plane loads of civilians? Do you understand now? The tapes clearly show confusion and disarray owing to the hijackers turning off the transponders. So, how exactly, do these tapes prove it was by design? I await an erudite and well thought out response. I'll try this again. Where did I say that anything about the Norad tapes or the changing of the official story was "by design?" That is not even close to my point. |
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Edited by
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Thu 09/13/12 05:50 PM
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And the most hilarious theory of all... a third world country and Arabs took a few flying lessons, got past airport security, and nearly took out New York and the pentagon. The government first claimed that they "had no idea anything like this could happen" and yet they had jets on some wild goose chase on a training mission with the identical scenario, and they could not tell the real attack from the training mission. They claim that they "never imagined" planes would be used for an attack, and yet they were practicing that exact exercise at the exact same time of the real attack. That's a story for stupid people. And yet that is their story.... And those with a grasp of logic would realise that the whole episode highlighted the failure in communication between government depts. Did the commission not address this very problem? Your simplistic assessment conveniently ignores this possibility, or perhaps, that in itself is by design. It was not the "whole episode" that "highlighted" the failure in communication between government departments. The "Highlighting" the "failure in communications between government departments" was done by people (The Criminals within) whose agenda is to get the FBI and the CIA and everyone else to "tell all" about everything they know about anything... IE: "communication." This is a sinister agenda to be used by the criminals within the departments, who have infiltrated our government so that they can stay informed about whether or not they are being investigated for their criminal acts. If the CIA is breaking the law they want to know if the FBI knows about it. So Yes of course they want to force departments to communicate. But that is way off the subject of my post. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Thu 09/13/12 06:11 PM
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And the most hilarious theory of all... a third world country and Arabs took a few flying lessons, got past airport security, and nearly took out New York and the pentagon. The government first claimed that they "had no idea anything like this could happen" and yet they had jets on some wild goose chase on a training mission with the identical scenario, and they could not tell the real attack from the training mission. They claim that they "never imagined" planes would be used for an attack, and yet they were practicing that exact exercise at the exact same time of the real attack. That's a story for stupid people. And yet that is their story.... And those with a grasp of logic would realise that the whole episode highlighted the failure in communication between government depts. Did the commission not address this very problem? Your simplistic assessment conveniently ignores this possibility, or perhaps, that in itself is by design. It was not the "whole episode" that "highlighted" the failure in communication between government departments. The "Highlighting" the "failure in communications between government departments" was done by people (The Criminals within) whose agenda is to get the FBI and the CIA and everyone else to "tell all" about everything they know about anything... IE: "communication." This is a sinister agenda to be used by the criminals within the departments, who have infiltrated our government so that they can stay informed about whether or not they are being investigated for their criminal acts. If the CIA is breaking the law they want to know if the FBI knows about it. So Yes of course they want to force departments to communicate. But that is way off the subject of my post. And that diatribe is just unsubstantiated speculation. Do you have anything of value that may actually contribute to this debate? |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Thu 09/13/12 06:47 PM
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What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some.
Oh of course not, we want them to allow the planes to hit their targets and kill thousands of people. duh~ yeh, that's what we want....
So, if the tapes show how inept the response was to the situation and you believe that was their design, why are the discrepancies significant and what do they prove for you? The 'twoofer' narrative regarding these tapes states that they show how the air force didn't shoot down the plane, thus it's a conspiracy. So, what did they expect? Do sane people really believe that the Air Force would have shot down plane loads of civilians? Do you understand now? The tapes clearly show confusion and disarray owing to the hijackers turning off the transponders. So, how exactly, do these tapes prove it was by design? I await an erudite and well thought out response. I'll try this again. Where did I say that anything about the Norad tapes or the changing of the official story was "by design?" That is not even close to my point. And this response completely misunderstands and evades my point. Let me try to reword my question seeing you had difficulty with the original wording. What exactly do the NORAD tapes prove to you and what value, as evidence, do they have in your hypothesis? |
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What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some.
Oh of course not, we want them to allow the planes to hit their targets and kill thousands of people. duh~ yeh, that's what we want....
So, if the tapes show how inept the response was to the situation and you believe that was their design, why are the discrepancies significant and what do they prove for you? The 'twoofer' narrative regarding these tapes states that they show how the air force didn't shoot down the plane, thus it's a conspiracy. So, what did they expect? Do sane people really believe that the Air Force would have shot down plane loads of civilians? Do you understand now? The tapes clearly show confusion and disarray owing to the hijackers turning off the transponders. So, how exactly, do these tapes prove it was by design? I await an erudite and well thought out response. I'll try this again. Where did I say that anything about the Norad tapes or the changing of the official story was "by design?" That is not even close to my point. And this response completely misunderstands and evades my point. Let me try to reword my question seeing you had difficulty with the original wording. What exactly do the NORAD tapes prove to you and what value, as evidence, do they have in your hypothesis? Your point? You have no point. You ask irrelevant questions and you missed my point. If you would read my posts more carefully with an unbiased mind, you might figure it out, but I have my doubts. |
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