Hmm...I'm not sure of your definition of virtue. But, I know I have the vagi...nevermind

I don't need to marry for vagina, that's available anywhere. Now, virtue is a precious thing, that's worth marrying for. But then again, it's all about what you're seeking and how you wish to go about obtaining that of which you seek.

Vaginas are everywhere, I think most men marry for virtue, unless of course they are using mail order brides from like Russia or Philippines, in which case they are marrying for vagina.

I agree. Now-a-days, you can get Vagina without marriage. Virtue shows that you are looking beyond that in someone you love.

Marriage shows true commitment, regardless of virtue, I wouldn't want to be in a long term relationship with someone who always has one foot out the door ready to escape. In my own opinion people do not get married for that reason, they feel "just in case" they won't have to worry about the hassles of divorce and they can just part ways. This is like saying they don't have total faith in the relationship and are ready to split at the first sign of conflict rather than working together to stay together.

Amen I am with you honey!!

Sadly I do think many do marry because they hope to suggest virtue because they have already gotten the vagina and have a child or one on the way. Which seems like a very tough way to start a marriage but then I had very difficult pregnancy so I am empathetic toward couples going through that and would suggest that is not the best plan.

From personal experience, I dare say you are more virtuous than most women I've met, especially my latest ex. Most girls I meet lately have no virtue, no faith, no perseverance what-so-ever. Is it just me? Some men do seek a relationship in marriage. (But I admit, I would not be able to continue the relationship without a wet vagina in the equation.!!!) Lol!!! All these words from a recent experience... really...

Does the virtue of knowing one's weaknesses count?

Thank you.

Why of course, there are many factors that help hold a relationship together, Its like bread and butter. You arent really in a relationship without any intimacy, (at least not in the context of this conversation) Clearly friends do all the time, but that's out of context.

Well a guy can get vagina with out being married and he can even discover new vaginas with out any consequences. There's no way a guy gets married JUST for vagina.

This how I look at it. Maybe people like moving more than I do but shacking up is a big hassle for the return risks.

However we may look at it, i mutually satisfying sexual relationship is essential to holding a marriage together :-) Many breakups are simply due to either one or both partners neglecting to keep the sensual pleasures alive :-)

You know the old joke: Jake stopped having sex with his girlfriend after they got married, coz he'd heard that it's wrong to have sex with a married woman.

similarly, if the virtue starts just before or after the wedding, the guy is in for a long, dry spell.

The only thing virginity guarantees, is a consummation on the wedding night frought with frustration, unpleasant sweat, pain where it hurts, and failure which can kill. If I were to marry virgin, I would send my bride a few days before the wedding, to a sex specialist, like a seventies's porno movie star, male; he'd bore the hole, and there would be no chance of pregnancy, coz those guys, for some weird reason, always sprayed the OUTSIDE of the girls with the life-giving substance.

I'd not worry too much if I were you... if you don't have the one, you have the other, and by me, you got the more important of the two to have.

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Btw, the above applies to girls only. Guys don't have either. Those who for the operation, and come out with a V, they lack the other V big time: they lack virtue, many times squared.

If you marry for virtue, and consummate your marriage, bang, there goes the virtue!! In one single shot. Gone, go bye-bye virginity, never to return.

Is that worth the extra price you pay? It's like ordering a balloon with your pizza, he balloon is gone with the first prick of a needle into it, and the pizza tastes the same, makes no difference whether there is a burst balloon or a full and ripe one there.

By definition, to test the virtue of a girl can't be done without destroying her virtue. I mean, if you have personal experience of many girls, including the one you're replying to, and of their virtue, then you (sorry to be explicit and insult anyone's intelligence) deflowered them. Otherwise, HOW could you be so sure of their pre-existing virtue?

I think he meant me. He meant to support my opinion, not yours there, simone.