Topic: Iran vs Israel
Bestinshow's photo
Sat 08/04/12 06:52 PM


No other solution than strong arm tactics?

Because you very well know, this hasn't worked yet?


The sole reason why you are stuck in this quagmire is because US blind support for Israel... If you listened to Bin Laden warnings 20 years ago, You would be enjoying peace right now... (not that I would have done that myself mind you)

60 yrs later.... I think Israel can handle herself, and she should be held responsible for her actions. Iran is no pushover... War is in their genetics...
I don't think America/Israel is ready for war with Iran. And to be honest, You can't afford it.


You can't counter a regime like Iran which attacks and murders
innocent people in terrorist attacks at home and abroad with
"chit-chat".

No point in bringing a knife to a gunfight either.

We are all ready to confront terrorists and those that support them
anytime and anywhere.

drinker


Well that attitude has brought western civilization to its knees. So far so good eh?

s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/04/12 07:11 PM



No other solution than strong arm tactics?

Because you very well know, this hasn't worked yet?


The sole reason why you are stuck in this quagmire is because US blind support for Israel... If you listened to Bin Laden warnings 20 years ago, You would be enjoying peace right now... (not that I would have done that myself mind you)

60 yrs later.... I think Israel can handle herself, and she should be held responsible for her actions. Iran is no pushover... War is in their genetics...
I don't think America/Israel is ready for war with Iran. And to be honest, You can't afford it.


You can't counter a regime like Iran which attacks and murders
innocent people in terrorist attacks at home and abroad with
"chit-chat".

No point in bringing a knife to a gunfight either.

We are all ready to confront terrorists and those that support them
anytime and anywhere.

drinker


Well that attitude has brought western civilization to its knees. So far so good eh?


So you don't think that criminals should be arrested and
prosecuted for their crimes?

You don't think that Iran is one of the worst state sponsors
of terrorism?

And even if you acknowledge that Iran is obviously one of the
worst state sponsors of attacks on innocent people in their own
country and abroad - you don't think they should be sanctioned
or disarmed or confronted?

laugh

What threatens to bring western civilization to it's knees in recent
years is merely bigotry, thuggery, terrorism and ignorance!

The things you apparently don't wish to confront in Iran!!!

laugh

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 08/04/12 07:22 PM
I do not see Iran involved in attacking anyone.

However I see my country and yours involved in two major wars and involved all over the globe in lesser conflicts.

No other country on this planet has been involved in more wars than the US, as a result we are bankrupt.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 08/05/12 01:44 AM

I do not see Iran involved in attacking anyone.

However I see my country and yours involved in two major wars and involved all over the globe in lesser conflicts.

No other country on this planet has been involved in more wars than the US, as a result we are bankrupt.
UN ought to pay the US for taking care of all the CRAP they got the World into so far!

s1owhand's photo
Sun 08/05/12 03:07 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Sun 08/05/12 03:09 AM




No other solution than strong arm tactics?

Because you very well know, this hasn't worked yet?


The sole reason why you are stuck in this quagmire is because US blind support for Israel... If you listened to Bin Laden warnings 20 years ago, You would be enjoying peace right now... (not that I would have done that myself mind you)

60 yrs later.... I think Israel can handle herself, and she should be held responsible for her actions. Iran is no pushover... War is in their genetics...
I don't think America/Israel is ready for war with Iran. And to be honest, You can't afford it.


You can't counter a regime like Iran which attacks and murders
innocent people in terrorist attacks at home and abroad with
"chit-chat".

No point in bringing a knife to a gunfight either.

We are all ready to confront terrorists and those that support them
anytime and anywhere.

drinker


Well that attitude has brought western civilization to its knees. So far so good eh?


So you don't think that criminals should be arrested and
prosecuted for their crimes?

You don't think that Iran is one of the worst state sponsors
of terrorism?

And even if you acknowledge that Iran is obviously one of the
worst state sponsors of attacks on innocent people in their own
country and abroad - you don't think they should be sanctioned
or disarmed or confronted?

laugh

What threatens to bring western civilization to it's knees in recent
years is merely bigotry, thuggery, terrorism and ignorance!

The things you apparently don't wish to confront in Iran!!!


laugh



I do not see Iran involved in attacking anyone.

However I see my country and yours involved in two major wars and involved all over the globe in lesser conflicts.

No other country on this planet has been involved in more wars than the US, as a result we are bankrupt.


laughlaughlaughlaugh

OMG.

You really don't think that Iran, the Holocaust denying atrocity
machine - the radical Islamic hostage holding theocracy which
murders their own dissenters in the streets, holds prisoners without
charges, has no free press or freedom of religion or women's rights
is attacking anyone??

laugh

Former U.S. Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell
told CFR.org in June 2007 there is "overwhelming evidence" that
Iran supports terrorists in Iraq and "compelling" evidence that it
does the same in Afghanistan. Iran has repeatedly denied
involvement in attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan,
though in October 2008, a top Iranian military commander did
acknowledge Iran supplies weapons to "liberation armies" (AP) in
the Middle East. Western intelligence officials insist Iran's
malfeasance is widespread. According to the State Department's 2010
Country Reports on Terrorism, the IRGC, and more specifically the
elite Quds Force, remains Iran's "primary mechanism for cultivating
and supporting terrorists abroad." An unclassified Defense
Department report on Iran's military power (PDF) from April 2010
made similar claims. And according to declassified intelligence
reports released by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point in
October 2008, Iranian support to militants in Iraq has included
"paramilitary training, weapons, and equipment" (PDF). Similar
meddling is believed to be ongoing in Afghanistan. Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, speaking with
journalists in March 2010 in Kabul, said Iran was supplying weapons
to fighters in southern Afghanistan.

The U.S. government first listed Iran as a terrorist sponsor in
January 1984. Among Iran's alleged activities have been the
following:

- Observers say Iran had prior knowledge of Hezbollah attacks, such
as the 1988 kidnapping and murder of Colonel William Higgins, a
U.S. Marine involved in a UN observer mission in Lebanon, and the
1992 and 1994 bombings of Jewish cultural institutions in Argentina.

- Iran still has a price on the head of the Indian-born British
novelist Salman Rushdie for what Iranian leaders call blasphemous
writings about Islam in his 1989 novel The Satanic Verses.

- U.S. officials say Iran supported the group behind the 1996 truck
bombing of Khobar Towers, a U.S. military residence in Saudi
Arabia, which killed nineteen U.S. servicemen.

- Military officials say numerous attacks since 2001 on U.S. and
NATO troops in Afghanistan, and coalition forces in Iraq, have been
attributed to Iranian-made weapons.

- A set of classified documents leaked by the website WikiLeaks.org
in July 2010 reports extensive collaboration between Iran and the
Taliban, Afghan warlords, and al-Qaeda, but all the claims have not
been corroborated (Guardian).

- Iran has also been blamed for attacks in Balochistan in Pakistan.

- In April 2011, the United States and the European Union accused
the Quds Force of providing equipment and support to help the
Syrian regime suppress revolts in Syria.

- In October 2011, Washington accused the Quds Force of plotting to
assassinate the Saudi ambassador (NYT) to the United States, and
plotting to bomb the Israeli Embassy in Washington and the Saudi
and Israeli Embassies in Argentina.

http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362#p2

laugh

The United States of America on the other hand which does have
freedom of the press, freedom of religion, equal rights for all
citizens, policy not to torture or attack anyone offensively and
who has supported the overthrow of despotic tyrants all over the
globe as a matter of peacemaking and support of basic human
freedoms you view as worse than Iran.

laugh

Paint that feces any rainbow color you want and it will still be
multicolored ca-cah.

laugh

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 08/05/12 06:02 AM
Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 08/05/12 11:55 AM

Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php
you mean NOT even Saddam Hussein's Iraq in '88 against the instructions of the UNSC?
With the explicit purpose to make another Iranian-Type Thecracy out of Saddam's Baath-State?
Not one Nation?
Not interfering with their Proxies in the Business of all their neighbors!
And your List is another JW-Creation!
Totally out of Context!

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 08/05/12 12:41 PM


Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php
you mean NOT even Saddam Hussein's Iraq in '88 against the instructions of the UNSC?
With the explicit purpose to make another Iranian-Type Thecracy out of Saddam's Baath-State?
Not one Nation?
Not interfering with their Proxies in the Business of all their neighbors!
And your List is another JW-Creation!
Totally out of Context!
Thats absurd Mr Conrad, the list is accurate and true and reality.

What is missing is our spin and justification for each invasion or attack.

Just the facts please.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 08/05/12 12:58 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 08/05/12 01:00 PM



Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php
you mean NOT even Saddam Hussein's Iraq in '88 against the instructions of the UNSC?
With the explicit purpose to make another Iranian-Type Theocracy out of Saddam's Baath-State?
Not one Nation?
Not interfering with their Proxies in the Business of all their neighbors!
And your List is another JW-Creation!
Totally out of Context!
Thats absurd Mr Conrad, the list is accurate and true and reality.

What is missing is our spin and justification for each invasion or attack.

Just the facts please.
yep!
All out of Context!
Totally ABSURD!
Typical way of the JW!laugh
and what they ain't get,they make up!
Need filler-Material after all,sort of gluing together!
In other words,those lists lack CONTEXT!

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 08/05/12 01:04 PM




Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php
you mean NOT even Saddam Hussein's Iraq in '88 against the instructions of the UNSC?
With the explicit purpose to make another Iranian-Type Theocracy out of Saddam's Baath-State?
Not one Nation?
Not interfering with their Proxies in the Business of all their neighbors!
And your List is another JW-Creation!
Totally out of Context!
Thats absurd Mr Conrad, the list is accurate and true and reality.

What is missing is our spin and justification for each invasion or attack.

Just the facts please.
yep!
All out of Context!
Totally ABSURD!
Typical way of the JW!laugh
and what they ain't get,they make up!
Need filler-Material after all,sort of gluing together!
In other words,those lists lack CONTEXT!
Your only fooling yourself and I am OK with that.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 08/05/12 01:07 PM





Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php
you mean NOT even Saddam Hussein's Iraq in '88 against the instructions of the UNSC?
With the explicit purpose to make another Iranian-Type Theocracy out of Saddam's Baath-State?
Not one Nation?
Not interfering with their Proxies in the Business of all their neighbors!
And your List is another JW-Creation!
Totally out of Context!
Thats absurd Mr Conrad, the list is accurate and true and reality.

What is missing is our spin and justification for each invasion or attack.

Just the facts please.
yep!
All out of Context!
Totally ABSURD!
Typical way of the JW!laugh
and what they ain't get,they make up!
Need filler-Material after all,sort of gluing together!
In other words,those lists lack CONTEXT!
Your only fooling yourself and I am OK with that.
I can see you don't get it,but it's OK!

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Mon 08/06/12 01:32 PM






Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php
you mean NOT even Saddam Hussein's Iraq in '88 against the instructions of the UNSC?
With the explicit purpose to make another Iranian-Type Theocracy out of Saddam's Baath-State?
Not one Nation?
Not interfering with their Proxies in the Business of all their neighbors!
And your List is another JW-Creation!
Totally out of Context!
Thats absurd Mr Conrad, the list is accurate and true and reality.

What is missing is our spin and justification for each invasion or attack.

Just the facts please.
yep!
All out of Context!
Totally ABSURD!
Typical way of the JW!laugh
and what they ain't get,they make up!
Need filler-Material after all,sort of gluing together!
In other words,those lists lack CONTEXT!
Your only fooling yourself and I am OK with that.
I can see you don't get it,but it's OK!
OK so inform me what country has Iran attacked since 1979?
What countries on the long list did the US not attack or invade?

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Mon 08/06/12 01:36 PM







Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php
you mean NOT even Saddam Hussein's Iraq in '88 against the instructions of the UNSC?
With the explicit purpose to make another Iranian-Type Theocracy out of Saddam's Baath-State?
Not one Nation?
Not interfering with their Proxies in the Business of all their neighbors!
And your List is another JW-Creation!
Totally out of Context!
Thats absurd Mr Conrad, the list is accurate and true and reality.

What is missing is our spin and justification for each invasion or attack.

Just the facts please.
yep!
All out of Context!
Totally ABSURD!
Typical way of the JW!laugh
and what they ain't get,they make up!
Need filler-Material after all,sort of gluing together!
In other words,those lists lack CONTEXT!
Your only fooling yourself and I am OK with that.
I can see you don't get it,but it's OK!
OK so inform me what country has Iran attacked since 1979?
What countries on the long list did the US not attack or invade?


Your little list is a lovely example of propaganda and spin. I have saved it to use as an example in an essay. Thanks for providing the link.

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 08/06/12 01:38 PM








Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php
you mean NOT even Saddam Hussein's Iraq in '88 against the instructions of the UNSC?
With the explicit purpose to make another Iranian-Type Theocracy out of Saddam's Baath-State?
Not one Nation?
Not interfering with their Proxies in the Business of all their neighbors!
And your List is another JW-Creation!
Totally out of Context!
Thats absurd Mr Conrad, the list is accurate and true and reality.

What is missing is our spin and justification for each invasion or attack.

Just the facts please.
yep!
All out of Context!
Totally ABSURD!
Typical way of the JW!laugh
and what they ain't get,they make up!
Need filler-Material after all,sort of gluing together!
In other words,those lists lack CONTEXT!
Your only fooling yourself and I am OK with that.
I can see you don't get it,but it's OK!
OK so inform me what country has Iran attacked since 1979?
What countries on the long list did the US not attack or invade?


Your little list is a lovely example of propaganda and spin. I have saved it to use as an example in an essay. Thanks for providing the link.
Again what countries should or should not be on the list?
I am rather stunned that only the US involves itself in so many wars big and small.

I wonder what other countries do to settle disputes?

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Mon 08/06/12 02:36 PM
http://youtu.be/63hTOaRu7h4

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Mon 08/06/12 03:02 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/06/12 03:06 PM

Again what countries should or should not be on the list?
I am rather stunned that only the US involves itself in so many wars big and small.

I wonder what other countries do to settle disputes?


I think you missed my point. I'm using this as an example of the manipulation of information to suit a desired outcome. BTW, your questions contain logical fallacies (as do many posts in this category). See the link below for a comprehensive explation of the term.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/introtof.html

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Mon 08/06/12 03:11 PM


Again what countries should or should not be on the list?
I am rather stunned that only the US involves itself in so many wars big and small.

I wonder what other countries do to settle disputes?


I think you missed my point. I'm using this as an example of the manipulation of information to suit a desired outcome. BTW, your questions contain logical fallacies (as do many posts in this category). See the link below for a comprehensive explation of the term.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/introtof.html
I think your twisting my point.

One cannot dispute the fact that the US in all its wars and police actions has been the biggest threat to peace.

If this country wanted peace we would have it.

I wont sit back and let Iran be the next victim of our trumped up charges or Israels. I will do my best to inform and educate and that even includes you.

Americans lose every time we wage war and waste the resources that could better be used to rebuild this crumbling country.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Mon 08/06/12 03:19 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/06/12 03:21 PM
Again what countries should or should not be on the list?
I am rather stunned that only the US involves itself in so many wars big and small.

I wonder what other countries do to settle disputes?


I think you missed my point. I'm using this as an example of the manipulation of information to suit a desired outcome. BTW, your questions contain logical fallacies (as do many posts in this category). See the link below for a comprehensive explanation of the term.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/introtof.html


I think your twisting my point.



No, not at all. You don't understand mine, but I'm used to that.

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 08/06/12 03:24 PM

Again what countries should or should not be on the list?
I am rather stunned that only the US involves itself in so many wars big and small.

I wonder what other countries do to settle disputes?


I think you missed my point. I'm using this as an example of the manipulation of information to suit a desired outcome. BTW, your questions contain logical fallacies (as do many posts in this category). See the link below for a comprehensive explanation of the term.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/introtof.html


I think your twisting my point.



No, not at all. You don't understand mine, but I'm used to that.
I find your high school civics class version if MY government to be amusing.

Exactly what information is being manipulated? Has this country not created or instigated or fabricated more reasons to go to war than any other country in modern times?

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Mon 08/06/12 03:30 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/06/12 03:33 PM
I find your high school civics class version if MY government to be amusing.


Can you please explain that in English? I find your complete lack of understanding of my intent annoying.

Exactly what information is being manipulated? Has this country not created or instigated or fabricated more reasons to go to war than any other country in modern times?


I'm sorry, but I explained that in an earlier post you didn't respond to.