This depends for me chivalry is alive and well. However I do not ask a girls families permission before asking her out, I did in high school because she was not the legal guardian and out of respect I asked her family. However once a girl is 18 I see no need she is an adult and she is her own boss as such I don't see any need to consult her family before asking her out.

Other then that the whole opening doors, pulling out chairs, throwing your jacket in the puddle so she can walk on dry land, walking on the side of the side walk facing the road, paying for the meal always treating a girl with respect. That is all very much alive in me.

That being said I'm not 100% positive I would ask a woman's old man if I could have her hand in marriage unless it was essential to her. In reality if I intend to marry her and we both love each other I really wouldn't want to ask.

Why? Because whether or not he says yes I fully intend to ask her. If he says no! And I know she loves me and wants to get married and I love her, then I would likely ask her anyways. Only thing is if he says no, now I am not respecting his wishes and I am defying his orders. I am creating a conflict that would not exist if I did not ask.

Then of course their is the issue that a man does not own his daughter. As such if she wants me ask him then I will but if she doesn't care I won't. Because I would be respecting her decision not her fathers. I would likely want to ask unless I was 100% sure he would say yes to avoid any long term conflict and to ensure my wife's decisions are respected.

I think chivalry may be dead. Yes. I promise to announce it's death in my next relationship news bulletin. My more serious reply is, you just have to figure out who is worth the bother. Usually the way someone words things, and their manners, say a lot about who they are. If you know they're the type you don't want to be with, then it saves a lot of wasted time if you just walk away. Be true to yourself and what you want.

Nice, always be true to yourself and acknowledge your wants. Nice insight.

Disagree, I have heard men directly say, you wanted your rights, you wanted to wear the pants.....well there you go.

Thanks :) Might aswell be true to what you want, OP. Otherwise you just let yourself down. Maybe that sounds a tad selfish, but being fake wouldn't do you any favours. You know what's in your heart. So just go for it :P

Women's Lib of the 60's did not. Womens lib of the late 70's and beyond has tried to beat men and masculinity into the earth. They teach women to be more like men and men to be more feminine.

This present generation is the result of 35 years worth of radical feminism. Maybe average women should retake the Women's Lib movement away from feminism.

Have your rights and be a woman at the same time.

Exactly. I couldn't agree more. When it comes to dating and relationships I'm not interested in a man who opens door for me because I'm a woman but because that is what he does for the people he cares about in his life. This could and should include his male friends as well. And blueeyes is right too. Women's lib has nothing to do with chivalry cause it's not about "wearing the pants" or "wanting it both ways". It's about being treated the way you would treat someone else.

It isn't dead... it has just morphed into a form of monotony for some, egotism for others, and domineering for still others yet. There are still many people who hold to certain ideal and genuine values, but as the world becomes more technical and hurried, and we as a society become more callous and more detached towards each other and the world around us, so to do those values fade and tarnish.

For chivalry to truly exist in my personal opinion, you have to have people exercise it, not because they have to, or because it is expected of them or out of any need to impress or awe another; but because they believe in it, stand for what it means and symbolizes and want to make the world better by being better towards others in it themselves.

So because women wanted some of the same rights as men, men don't need to treat them as women anymore? Too many men use women's lib as an excuse.

People get bored. Wanna phuck. Get stimulated in new/thrilling ways. The perception of a man has dwindled with every rejection. Women stopped being women. Man stopped caring to do anything polite. I was born in the WRONG azz time.

Those women in the 70's were rude and radical.
You go to open the door for one and you could have found yourself facing a lawsuit.
You say hello and look at her for more than a second, they screamed sexual harassment.
They swang way too extreme.
Steinem made many man-haters out of once good women.

I was born in the 70s, I have no idea what they were like then, lol