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msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 05:17 PM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,, It's a darn good article...makes a lot of sense and is unbiased....There are ALWAYS new ides, always.... rarely rarely any that can be traced to their 'original' thinker especially New ideas and new ways of doing things are what separate us from machines. Yes, there are always new ideas that is what initiates change. They may be ideas that were used in ancient times in a world before Atlantis that was destroyed, but they are certainly new to the new world. Every idea and every individual's take on it are individual and unique. Improvements come to each idea and that is progress. If there were no new ideas, and no progress we would still be living in caves plucking berries and clubbing our wives. Humans are channels for new ideas that come from the implicate order and into our reality. (The explicate order) wiki: In the enfolded [or implicate] order, space and time are no longer the dominant factors determining the relationships of dependence or independence of different elements. Rather, an entirely different sort of basic connection of elements is possible, from which our ordinary notions of space and time, along with those of separately existent material particles, are abstracted as forms derived from the deeper order. These ordinary notions in fact appear in what is called the "explicate" or "unfolded" order, which is a special and distinguished form contained within the general totality of all the implicate orders (Bohm 1980, p. xv). so then EVERY idea is a 'new' idea? and therefore we cant claim anyones idea isnt 'new' either they all are or none of them are,,,,cant have it in between if we are not talking about 'abstracts'

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/19/12 05:20 PM
Oh so let me get this strait... your statment that there is nothing "new" under the sun, ( a cliche' at best ) was an effort to defend Obama? I am curious as to how long it will take for you to catch on that Obama is a puppet for an evil Cabal of murderers and thieves.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 05:43 PM
Oh so let me get this strait... your statment that there is nothing "new" under the sun, ( a cliche' at best ) was an effort to defend Obama? I am curious as to how long it will take for you to catch on that Obama is a puppet for an evil Cabal of murderers and thieves. about as long as it takes for someone to 'prove' it,,,,

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/19/12 06:47 PM
Oh so let me get this strait... your statment that there is nothing "new" under the sun, ( a cliche' at best ) was an effort to defend Obama? I am curious as to how long it will take for you to catch on that Obama is a puppet for an evil Cabal of murderers and thieves. about as long as it takes for someone to 'prove' it,,,, It is already proven. They sent in a team of assassins and killed Bin Laden. They illegally invaded a country and assassinated a man who the FBI admitted they could not even connect to the attack on the World Trade center. It was all over the news. Did you miss that? Obama has a hit list of people ("terrorists") to kill next. Proven? That's funny.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 06:53 PM
Oh so let me get this strait... your statment that there is nothing "new" under the sun, ( a cliche' at best ) was an effort to defend Obama? I am curious as to how long it will take for you to catch on that Obama is a puppet for an evil Cabal of murderers and thieves. about as long as it takes for someone to 'prove' it,,,, It is already proven. They sent in a team of assassins and killed Bin Laden. They illegally invaded a country and assassinated a man who the FBI admitted they could not even connect to the attack on the World Trade center. It was all over the news. Did you miss that? Obama has a hit list of people ("terrorists") to kill next. Proven? That's funny. I did miss it, I dont watch alot of anonymous source news stories,,, as to the evil cabal of murderers and thieves,, once we prove who exactly that is and then that obama is their 'puppet' I can believe until then, taking a man dead or alive that was living to be a martyr and therefore died doesnt quite fit such a grand accusation

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/19/12 06:58 PM
Are you telling me you missed ... on major news networks.... the day when Obama got on National television and confessed to the dirty deed? You don't remember seal team 6? They broke into Osama's house and kill him and probably some of his family members? You missed that? Did you also miss the news (major news) that Obama has a "hit list" of names of terrorists to kill? Wake up girl. These are not anonymous news sources. This was on television for days. Do you watch the news?

Redykeulous Joined Thu 11/09/06 Posts: 6052	Thu 07/19/12 07:21 PM
Oh so let me get this strait... your statment that there is nothing "new" under the sun, ( a cliche' at best ) was an effort to defend Obama? I am curious as to how long it will take for you to catch on that Obama is a puppet for an evil Cabal of murderers and thieves. about as long as it takes for someone to 'prove' it,,,, It is already proven. They sent in a team of assassins and killed Bin Laden. They illegally invaded a country and assassinated a man who the FBI admitted they could not even connect to the attack on the World Trade center. It was all over the news. Did you miss that? Obama has a hit list of people ("terrorists") to kill next. Proven? That's funny. I did miss it, I dont watch alot of anonymous source news stories,,, as to the evil cabal of murderers and thieves,, once we prove who exactly that is and then that obama is their 'puppet' I can believe until then, taking a man dead or alive that was living to be a martyr and therefore died doesnt quite fit such a grand accusation Published on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 by Common Dreams US Families of Drone Victims, Rights Groups File Lawsuit "Illegal, out of control, and must end” By - Common Dreams staff The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) alongside family members of three US citizens who were killed in US drone strikes last year filed a lawsuit Wednesday against senior CIA and military officials. The lawsuit contends that the authorization of drone strikes which lead to the death of the three US citizens violated the US Constitution and international law. The ACLU and the CCR contend that the drone strikes were part of a broader practice of extrajudicial “targeted killing” by the US and an assault on constitutional rights and due process. “This suit is an effort to enforce the Constitution’s fundamental guarantee against the deprivation of life without due process of law,” said Jameel Jaffer, ACLU deputy legal director. “The Constitution does not permit a bureaucratized program under which Americans far from any battlefield are summarily killed by their own government on the basis of shifting legal standards and allegations never tested in court.” The suit refers specifically to an incident on September 30, 2011, when US drones killed US citizens Anwar Al-Aulaqi and Samir Khan, as well as a similar incident two weeks later when a US drone killed Al-Aulaqi’s 16-year-old son Abdulrahman Al-Aulaqi, at a restaurant. Both attacks occurred in Yemen. Al-Aulaqi had been placed on CIA and Joint Special Operations Command “kill lists” a year before; however, the US government has never charged any of the victims with a crime. “When a 16 year-old boy who has never been charged with a crime nor ever alleged to have committed a violent act is blown to pieces by US missiles, alarm bells should go off,” said CCR Senior Staff Attorney Pardiss Kebriaei. “The U.S. program of sending drones into countries in and against which it is not at war and eliminating so-called enemies on the basis of executive memos and conference calls is illegal, out of control, and must end.” The suit aims to force the Obama administration to disclose details about the decisions that led to the attacks. 'Targeted Killings' of civilians around the world have become commonplace practices of the Obama administration, which has recently come under scrutiny by the United Nation's Human Rights Council (UNHRC). UN investigator and special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, Christof Heyns, condemned the continued use of US drones to assassinate suspected militants and questioned the legality of the Obama administration's program under international law. The current suit names as defendants Defense Secretary Leon Panetta; CIA Director David Petraeus; Adm. William H. McRaven, Commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command and Gen. Joseph Votel, Commander of the Joint Special Operations Command. ARTICALE EDIT: HIGHLIGHTED AREA = MY ADDITION

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 07:23 PM
we are a litigious country,, we will see what is 'proven' in the sut,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 07/19/12 07:58 PM
Here's what a professional on Special Ops has to say about Husseins decision to take credit. SEALs Outraged: “Barack Obama conveniently took credit for killing Osama Bin Laden for political gain” Hunter Walker Politicker July 18th, 2012 Today, Ryan Zinke, an ex-Navy SEAL and Montana State Senator, announced the launch of Special Operations for America, a political action committee dedicated to “the election of Mitt Romney and like-minded candidates.” “Navy SEAL’s, Special Operations Personnel and Veteran’s across America have been outraged since Barack Obama conveniently took credit for killing Osama Bin Laden for political gain,” a statement announcing the loss of SOFA said. “The active duty military has no voice as they are forbidden to publicly engage in the political campaign process and it is career suicide for senior military leaders to speak out against the President.” Mr. Zinke, who has frequently slammed the president’s handling of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, reiterated his criticisms of the operation. “The President has failed and he is jeopardizing the safety of our troops, their families and our National security for political gain. Obama has exposed the identity of special operations units, leaked classified information, and limited the rules of engagement of forces on the ground,” said Mr. Zinke. “For those who have taken an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, it is a call of duty to take back America from a Commander-in-Chief that is incapable of understanding the sacrifices that have been made for the values that have made America great.”

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 08:01 PM
the seals are americans there are pro and anti obama members in the seals I have family that was in who is pro, IM sure we can find examples of people who are in that are anti including the above example

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 07/19/12 08:05 PM
the seals are americans there are pro and anti obama members in the seals I have family that was in who is pro, IM sure we can find examples of people who are in that are anti including the above example It's a National Security thing and he was speaking fact. Most everyone has realized old Hussein is a pathetic murdering loser.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 08:08 PM
the seals are americans there are pro and anti obama members in the seals I have family that was in who is pro, IM sure we can find examples of people who are in that are anti including the above example It's a National Security thing and he was speaking fact. Most everyone has realized old Hussein is a pathetic murdering loser. I have long ago gave up debating/explaining what qualifies as a 'fact' vs an 'opinion' to each their own perception,,,,

Redykeulous Joined Thu 11/09/06 Posts: 6052	Thu 07/19/12 09:54 PM
we are a litigious country,, we will see what is 'proven' in the sut,,, I don't expect much will be proven with any certainty because excutive privilege supercedes the courts - however, there is a severe lack of transparency in much of what this administration has been doing - but I will say that given the equally severe lack of congressional support might be a justification for lack of transparency. Either way the divisive behaviors on the Hill have certainly trickled down which may be the only support the 'trickle down' theory is likely to receive.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48990	Thu 07/19/12 10:16 PM
They illegally invaded a country and assassinated a man who the FBI admitted they could not even connect to the attack on the World Trade center. Back in 2004, just before the U.S. presidential election, Osama bin Laden released a video in which he said that he was responsible for 9/11. From CBC News, October 29, 2004: Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States. The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden, dressed in yellow and white robes and videotaped against a plain brown background.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 07/20/12 09:10 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 07/20/12 09:15 AM
Dodo_David-- That so-called video has been proven to have been a fake and admitted to have been a fake. There is no such proof. Even IF he ever claimed responsibility, he was not responsible. Claiming responsibility is not proof. Terrorists and individuals do that a lot. But he did NOT claim responsibility, he denied responsibility. And the FBI admitted that they could not connect him to the attacks. ************ Red, Msharmony, "excutive privilege supercedes the courts " That's right, so there will never be legal proof in "court." But, Obama announced on national Television that Osama Bin Laden had been "killed" (Assassinated) in his own home by seal team 6. THIS WAS ON HIS ORDER. (He is the commander in Chief, after all) ... or pretends to be. willing2: Seal team 6 should be glad that Obama "took credit" (confessed on national television) for this crime. They were only "following orders" from their commander and chief and they need not feel cheated that he "took credit" for this assassination. But they are still morally responsible. It may have been ordered by the Company (Corporation) but is was still illegal. Says who? Says me, a human being who believes in due process of the law and the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Common law. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. IT WAS WRONG, PEOPLE! WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 07/20/12 09:17 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 07/20/12 09:18 AM
THOU SHALT NOT ASSASSINATE PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 07/20/12 04:02 PM
So who here is in favor of giving the President the power to assassinate suspected terrorists? suspected. There are a lot. I remember people cheering.