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http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/29/fox-expert-says-obama-birth-certificate-is-legit/


not to prove you wrong or anything, but definitely to point out that the document has not been 'proven' to be fake either


it could or could not be, but neither has been proven,,,

and different sources have posted it in different forms,, so there has been more than one,, but the OFFICIAL Was in LA times, I believe

but I would have to look it up again,,,

"it gives him citizenship at birth , being born to an american woman, thats true"

But he is not a natural born citizen. That's the difference.

They need to check out Robmes' eligibility too!

He's certifiably born in Mexico.

It's amazing what things have become in our nation!

Hmmm if Obama and Romney are ousted do to citizenship problems that leaves Biden and Paul,i like what you're thinking Sojour.

I believe that if Obama was legitimate he would have proven so at the start. This is a case of lie upon lie.

not really

natural born citizen was never defined specifically ,,,but the only two types of citizens discussed in the constitution are those who are naturalized (means they have to APPLY to be a citizen) or those who are natural born

OBama never had to apply to be a citizen because his mother was,,,making him natural born

I think its a case of none of his 'proof' being good enough for some people. THe STATE OF HAWAII confirmed his birth there. ANything else he presented wouldnt be good enough if thats not.

I would have to have a Supreme Court judgment on that.

I believe if he was born in Kenya, it would be pretty simple to find the visa information that puts his mom there during the month of his birth. (you do have to pass customs to travel between countries as an american and those visas are date stamped)

But it wont surface because she wasnt there.

From the Immigration Services WEBSITE




Citizenship




If you meet certain requirements, you may become a U.S. citizen either at birth or after birth.

To become a citizen at birth, you must:
Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements

To become a citizen after birth, you must:
Apply for “derived” or “acquired” citizenship through parents
Apply for naturalization


TWO TYPES OF CITIZENSHIP, AT BIRTH OR AFTER BIRTH

so which do you think 'natural born' refers to?

(keep notice, one requires an application, the other is automatic at birth)

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/05/why-barack-obama-listed-his-birthplace.html

Why Barack Obama listed his birthplace as Kenya


The biography provided by Barack Obama to his literary agent specified his birthplace as "Kenya". And, over the course of 17 years, despite multiple revisions by Obama, the Kenyan birthplace remained a fundamental part of the bio on the agent's website.

Was Barack actually born in Kenya? I seriously doubt it, even though Michelle Obama has publicly stated that Kenya is her husband's "home country". Contemporary newspaper listings in Honolulu, for example, list the time and place of his birth. While this isn't ironclad proof, to be sure, it's good enough for me.

No, my suspicion is that Mr. Obama manipulated his birthplace intentionally (and cynically) to take advantage of certain benefits unavailable to those born in the United States.

Bookworm Room describes why that might have been. We need to set the Wayback Machine to 1978, when young Obama was seeking admission to college.

1978 isn’t just any year. It’s a very special year. It was the year that the Supreme Court decided Regents of the University of California v. Bakke (1978) 438 U.S. 265... [and] held that [the] race-based admission process was unconstitutional.

With that decision, Obama, who was a self-confessed slacker in high school, suddenly lost his e-ticket to a good college. He couldn’t know then (nor would it have mattered) that the various concurrences in this deeply divided opinion would eventually open the door to colleges and universities making race a “factor” in admission, so much so that this “factor-ness” eventually created a whole new quota system.

My best guess is that, denied an opportunity to use quota systems to parlay a lousy academic record into a quality college admission, Obama searched around for other means of bypassing his academic failings. It was this search that led him to announce that he was Kenyan. I’m sure that a certain amount of digging will reveal that, just when the Bakke decision came down, American universities were engaged in some sort of pro-active policy involving increasing the number of African nationals on America’s college campuses. Obama was happy to oblige the universities in this effort by co-opting his father’s nationality, and burying the fact that he was a garden-variety American black kid.

There’s the nexus — In 1978, Obama, who already then was willing to lie to achieve his goals, created a false identity to deal with the changes the Bakke decision wrought on college admissions.


This appears to be an extremely plausible explanation for Obama's refusal to release any of his college transcripts.

My guess is that this scenario -- or one similar to it -- helps explain why Obama enjoys the company of race-hustlers like Al Sharpton.

And where was the media for lo these many years? Busy investigating Sarah Palin's elementary school chums?

all this foresight for what would have been a 17 year old 'slacker',,,,,,,,another interesting theory

No, it's for sure. Obama was born in Kenya and is therefore ruled not eligible. His hope and change was nothing more than a popcorn fart.

funny, that he has been president nearly four years if he is so
ineligible

or that he was born in Kenya, because a non official source says so when the STATE OF HAWAII verified that he was born there

funny that it really wouldnt matter anyway, unless every woman traveling abroad now has to be scared she is denying her child right to be president if she happens to go into labor before she is back in america

funny how hard some people are trying to make any ridiculous accusation they can stick against the President to assure he has no chances rather than just letting the people speak for themself and vote



funny too the time that will need to be wasted revisiting EVERYTHING with his presidential name as it would no longer be valid either,,,,

so much for progress. or should I say,, cutting off ones nose to spite their face


,,,but my elders always said,, if SOMEBODY somewhere aint talking about you or telling lies on you, you must not be making much of a contribution to the world,,,,

well, funny too sister. Talk to the hand....
...or the banana.

Lets see here

With Reagan there was the Iran/Contra scandal one Ollie took one for team.

Bush Sr. the infamous "Read my lips no new taxes"lie

Clinton "i mislead the american people" in the BJ scandal

Bush Jr. The reasons for invading Iraq were basically nonexistance.

Then you have Obama with he's not gonna sign this or reinstate that and he does opposite.

I haven't even mentioned Nixon and the watergate scandal but i just did.

Does anyone see a pattern here?I do.Cover ups and lies.So either we need a strong 3rd party and see what it can do or stick with what we know "electing liars".

or , we need a better educational system to teach how government actually works and that presidents, unlike dictators, cant really make promises about anything that requires the GOVERNMENT to get accomplished,,,,

Or like Obozo they just $hit on the constitution and bill of rights.

Sure, the congress is full of traitors who want to play god, but Obozo thinks he is god demanding the power to make ANY American a dead man at his whim. If congress doesn't see things his way, he just makes it an exec order and does it anyway!

Sounds like a dictator to me!

I think a petition to outlaw "executive orders" should be created...

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