stand your ground is not a law I made up

but if I am being followed by a stranger, first by vehicle

and I try to put distance between us by changing directions and running and he STILL continues to follow me,, this time on foot

no law says I cant ask him why he is following me, and if he makes a physical advance,, the stand your ground law allows for me to use physical force to defend myself instead of having to CONTINUE Trying to retreat, something which I have already tried to do once or twice at that point,,,,

Ok. So you have gone down the events up to the point of a verbal confrontation and its clear that no law has been broken, and no threat of force has been issued. At this point someone needs to make an overt threat. However even with an overt threat, an attack is not always justified as reasonable.

However even if Martin was seen as justified in attacking Zimmerman, that does not invalidate the self defense.

The best advice I have for everyone, be cool, and dont get in fights. Even when you think someone is a jerk.

I have to remember. When citizens get their guns taken away, the only folks left holding them are cops and punks against the citizen.
Most of the other stuff Cosby was right about.
I speak Spanish but, I'm not fluent in jive.

I dont want gun BANS, I want gun regulations

kind of like not wanting to see people not allowed to drive cars

but still wanting who can drive a car to have SOME common sense prerequisites,,,

yes, I can guarantee that if the ATTACKER was the one with the weapon, and you get them on the ground, you are going to fight for your life to disable their ability to use the GUN,,,,


if the person has a gun, you may not feel a chance to do anything BUT continue fighting until the gun is out of the equation,,,

assuming Zimmermans narrative is correct, he acted in a reckless way which CREATED a situation where he ended up shooting someone dead who was possibly JUSTIFIED in their physical response to his initial pursuit and confrontation (with a gun)

you can guarantee that if the ATTACKER was the one with the weapon ?
Not very likely. You take a lot for granted and sound a bit gullible too.

the post didnt reference you or being 'wrong'

the post was my opinion just as all posts here are the posters opinion

I know that zimmerman was UNSTABLE, from his past history,,,in terms of ability to CONTROL HIMSELF PHYSICALLY

hand to hand is MORE even than hand to gun,, there is a FAIR chance to disengage and RUN Away,, than there is from a bullet,,,

someone who has a chance with HAND to HAND COULD BE.,..using excessive force if they use a bullet instead depending upon circumstances,,,yes

Treyvon wasn't so stable himself and showed ganglike attitude and actions. Had been kicked out of school for such attitude and behaviorial actions. He was no angel in this situation......and Zimmerman didn't deserve to be attacked either. And if Zimmerman had been beaten to death and hadn't had the weapon......you wouldn't be hearing one thing about it on the media at all.......except it would probably be reported as a gang related incident.....

police act 'ganglike' thats little to do with this though

what VIOLENT behavior was he kicked out for?

do you have the link to the claim at all

last I checked, he was TARDY excessively, he sprayed GRAFFITI< and he was caught with a marijuana baggy

none of those are particularly aggressive or violent behaviors,,,

if ZIMMERMAN a grown man followed the boy in a car and on foot and then CONFRONTED him in a threatening manner,, he wasnt ATTACKED< he put someone in a position to feel they werent free to retreat and must instead defend themself


without the gun, the boy would not have had any reason to not retreat once he was no longer being beaten by Zimmerman,,,,

and if they couldnt prove this sole boy was in a gang, it wouldnt be 'gang related', but it probably would have made a claim of self defense more viable,,,

I never said he was violent in school, but witnesses did see him attacking Zimmerman and being violent. That is a violent behavior......who knows what his after school activities included......was not attacking another human being a violent act.....and that was the third time he had been kicked out of school for drugs......why is he bringing drugs into the school what's the point.....he had to try and bash a person's head in that is what I call a ganglike activity...

I never said he was violent in school, but witnesses did see him attacking Zimmerman and being violent. That is a violent behavior......who knows what his after school activities included......was not attacking another human being a violent act.....and that was the third time he had been kicked out of school for drugs......why is he bringing drugs into the school what's the point.....he had to try and bash a person's head in that is what I call a ganglike activity...

I think you misread something

he was kicked out three times, one for excessive tardiness, one for graffiti, and one for having a marijuana 'baggy'

it wasnt THREE Times for drugs,,,


defending yourself from a stalker is not what I think of as an attack,,,its more along the lines of self defense,,,,

he had to try to get a GUN Away from a stalker who confronted him after following him suspiciously

thats what I call justified defense of self,,,

Zimmerman never attacked him he did follow him since when does a person have a right to attack someone that has not laid one hand on them or even tried to......there was no reason for Treyvon to have placed his hands on Mr. Zimmerman at all....period....

Mr. Zimmerman did not lay his hands on Treyvon at all to attack Treyvon.....he defended himself from an attack.....Treyvon could not have asked why he was following him or communicated with him without laying his hands on another......with words it may have ended quietly rather than they way it did......there were many unwise choices made here.....

Besides he was 17....he knew better than to brings drugs into school even once......he should have gone to jail under the zero tolerance and having drugs possessed within proximity of a school zone.

Did this.

1st) his body sat in the morgue for over 3 day before his so-called caring family claimed it !!


2nd) his mother has trade marked 'Dead Thugs' name to make a buck off of his death ....

What a family!!

Bill Cosby has weighed in on the Trayvon Martin case.

The famed comedian told the Washington Times that neighborhood watch volunteers like George Zimmerman, who shot and killed the unarmed black teenager, should not be allowed to carry guns.

"We've got to get the gun out of the hands of people who are supposed to be on neighborhood watch," Cosby said in his first public remarks about the case, published today.

"Without a gun, I don't see Mr. Zimmerman approaching Trayvon by himself," Cosby added. "The power-of-the-gun mentality had him unafraid to confront someone. Even police call for backup in similar situations.

"When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody."

"The Cosby Show" star's remarks were immediately circulated on the Web, including conservative sites that took issue with Cosby's pinpointing "the gun" as the problem.

Cosby steered clear of mentioning race in a case that has sparked allegations of racism and a nationwide outcry for justice. In the past, however, he has been unafraid to jump into the fray and has even caused controversy of his own.

In the late 1980s, Cosby inserted himself into the case of Tawana Brawley, a black teenage girl who said she was sexually assaulted by six white men, including a police officer and an assistant district attorney. Cosby pledged his public support to her and contributed to a $25,000 reward for information in the case.

"Bill and I don't care who the perpetrators are, whether they're black, white, pink, yellow or family. They should be caught," Essence magazine publisher Edward Lewis, who also contributed to the reward, told People at the time.

A grand jury later found insufficient evidence of a rape, and Brawley and her advisers -- including Rev. Al Sharpton, who was thrust into the spotlight -- were successfully sued for defamation. The incident inflamed racial tension nationwide.

Nearly two decades later, Cosby stirred racial tension, this time within the black community. During a 2004 NAACP celebration marking the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education school-desegregation decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, Cosby upbraided poor black parents for buying their children expensive sneakers but not teaching them proper English.

"These people marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around," Cosby said at the event.

"I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... and I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk," Cosby continued. "And then I heard the father talk. ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth."

After his comments sparked a nationwide debate, Cosby said in a statement that he meant for his remarks to be a call to action.

"I feel that I can no longer remain silent," he said. "If I have to make a choice between keeping quiet so that conservative media does not speak negatively or ringing the bell to galvanize those who want change in the lower economic community, then I choose to be a bell ringer."

Since then, Cosby, who has a doctorate degree in education, has continued to espouse responsible parenting, the importance of good education and personal accountability.

"Stand up and stop looking for somebody to blame," he told an audience of community association leaders in 2008.

Seems to me the gun did its job. Stopped a violent attacker.

Martin had an opportunity to stop attacking when the neighbor came out, he did not take it. A violent attacker who will not stop needs to be stopped by any means necessary.