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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe - part 2
msharmony's photo
Thu 03/08/12 07:28 PM




when you harm others with what you believe


Just to clarify though.

"If I believe A, with all my heart."

How does me believing in A (B)cause harm to another person (B)?

A - Is a spiritual thing; holds no 'physical' properties.

B - Is an action caused from something physical.

a BELIEF can't do HARM.

Actions do.

That's falsely blaming something for "harm".


Exactly, a "belief" harms no one. The person is accountable for their "actions", but you can not directly blame a belief for a person's actions. For it was still their choice to do that action or not.

Belief and action(s) are two totally different things.

Beg to differ.

Belief can harm.

There is a false belief in some religions that Women are inferior to men.

This causes harm to a Woman from the moment she is born.

Because a firm belief will color all action and just the fact that the belief is present will create harm as she absorbes her 'place'...

The harm follows her then for the rest of her life.

Leaving a hole where truth ought to be.





belief cant harm
actions harm

actions can stem from beliefs

the trunk of an orange tree has no juice
an orange can produce juice

oranges stem from orange trees


so, in theory, a belief can GROW a harmful action or word
but the belief alone cant hurt until it does grow into an action of word

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 03/08/12 07:30 PM

There is a false belief in some religions that Women are inferior to men.

This causes harm to a Woman from the moment she is born.


If this was true, then ALL women would be "hurt" from birth.

Thus, it's not the "belief" it's the action of said belief.

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 03/08/12 07:31 PM

Cowboy..we see you HARMING people on here every

day with your FALSE GOSPEL...



We decided because you are unteachable, to just let you


be....and let God.

That's all.

We are not supposed to continue bothering with an unteachable person.


But we do continue to pray for you... and for the Precious People

on here to be protected from false teachers .




Since there is but One God.

And he choose to put in Cowboy's cup a draught with a diferent boquet.

Let be.

Cowboy is right for Cowboy.

You are right also.

for you.

Though the Gates of Heaven are small for a single human.

the One Gate is large enough for God...

We all are but a spec of dust in his eye.

Yet He is in each one of us.

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/08/12 07:32 PM


Cowboy..we see you HARMING people on here every

day with your FALSE GOSPEL...



We decided because you are unteachable, to just let you


be....and let God.

That's all.

We are not supposed to continue bothering with an unteachable person.


But we do continue to pray for you... and for the Precious People

on here to be protected from false teachers .




Since there is but One God.

And he choose to put in Cowboy's cup a draught with a diferent boquet.

Let be.

Cowboy is right for Cowboy.

You are right also.

for you.

Though the Gates of Heaven are small for a single human.

the One Gate is large enough for God...

We all are but a spec of dust in his eye.

Yet He is in each one of us.


nice

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 03/08/12 07:34 PM


There is a false belief in some religions that Women are inferior to men.

This causes harm to a Woman from the moment she is born.


If this was true, then ALL women would be "hurt" from birth.

Thus, it's not the "belief" it's the action of said belief.

This is indeed truth.

All women from the Advent of Eve have been harmed by this belief.

Ere now.

For in this day come many that have been raised in a belief of equality.

and so the Scales of Justice balance (though slowly)

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 03/08/12 07:34 PM

Since there is but One God.

And he choose to put in Cowboy's cup a draught with a diferent boquet.

Let be.

Cowboy is right for Cowboy.

You are right also.

for you.

Though the Gates of Heaven are small for a single human.

the One Gate is large enough for God...

We all are but a spec of dust in his eye.

Yet He is in each one of us.


Such is true.

But if say, he is "wrong"..

..is it not counter productive if what he speaks is naught but lies?

You may drinketh the water..
..but only those who know what water tastes like..
Will also have the knowledge to recognize.
"This is not water."

Okay, so, that was my Adventure imitation.

Good, no? xD
Just playing homie. :X

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 03/08/12 08:47 PM

Cowboy..we see you HARMING people on here every

day with your FALSE GOSPEL...



We decided because you are unteachable, to just let you


be....and let God.

That's all.

We are not supposed to continue bothering with an unteachable person.


But we do continue to pray for you... and for the Precious People

on here to be protected from false teachers .






You are quick to judge morningsong. You claim I spread "false Gospel" here, yet in the same breath you are doing totally oposite of what God has told us to do or not do. You continously judge specifically my relation with God and God has specifically told us "judge not less ye be judged.

You time after time say there is fault in what I say, but only occassionally show the error. And if the error you believe you see is shown when I respond you either don't respond or say something off the wall or something irrelevant like but not limited to "you need to be saved before you can understand the word of God".

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 03/08/12 09:02 PM


Cowboy..we see you HARMING people on here every

day with your FALSE GOSPEL...



We decided because you are unteachable, to just let you


be....and let God.

That's all.

We are not supposed to continue bothering with an unteachable person.


But we do continue to pray for you... and for the Precious People

on here to be protected from false teachers .






You are quick to judge morningsong. You claim I spread "false Gospel" here, yet in the same breath you are doing totally oposite of what God has told us to do or not do. You continously judge specifically my relation with God and God has specifically told us "judge not less ye be judged.

You time after time say there is fault in what I say, but only occassionally show the error. And if the error you believe you see is shown when I respond you either don't respond or say something off the wall or something irrelevant like but not limited to "you need to be saved before you can understand the word of God".


When I say something that YOU don't agree with, you state that it's not a "Christian" view/belief. So who made you the judge of that? Who made you spokesperson of Christianity. Christianity in general is so incredibly diverse, I don't see how you could even say that in the first place.

no photo
Fri 03/09/12 04:59 AM

In case no one told you: "Not going to school; isn't a religious or spiritual belief; as in, I didn't "worship" anything, I didn't "pray" to anything, and, point in fact, it wasn't even a "belief", it's defiance.


it's not defiance...it's indifference...considering that your actions would place your Mother in jail and you didn't care..

people want to claim the right to believe but yet wish to close their eyes to the fact that what they believe effects others, society and The World

no photo
Fri 03/09/12 05:09 AM




What was the discussion about?






..which?

before he got offended I made him to be a troll?

..or after when he's making it personal?


I would consider Troll behavior pertaining to someone that had to be dragged to a therapist ...perhaps that's why you use the term so much, due to subconscious rememberance of your escapades trying to excel to your conscious

no photo
Fri 03/09/12 05:17 AM




when you harm others with what you believe


Just to clarify though.

"If I believe A, with all my heart."

How does me believing in A (B)cause harm to another person (B)?

A - Is a spiritual thing; holds no 'physical' properties.

B - Is an action caused from something physical.

a BELIEF can't do HARM.

Actions do.

That's falsely blaming something for "harm".


Exactly, a "belief" harms no one. The person is accountable for their "actions", but you can not directly blame a belief for a person's actions. For it was still their choice to do that action or not.

Belief and action(s) are two totally different things.

Beg to differ.

Belief can harm.

There is a false belief in some religions that Women are inferior to men.

This causes harm to a Woman from the moment she is born.

Because a firm belief will color all action and just the fact that the belief is present will create harm as she absorbes her 'place'...

The harm follows her then for the rest of her life.

Leaving a hole where truth ought to be.




and the harm inflicted on women due to a belief is passed to the children ...in some religious beliefs women are suppose to remain silent

so do one have "the right to believe" that women should remain silent..would such a belief dictate how you view women or threat them

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:18 PM


In case no one told you: "Not going to school; isn't a religious or spiritual belief; as in, I didn't "worship" anything, I didn't "pray" to anything, and, point in fact, it wasn't even a "belief", it's defiance.


it's not defiance...it's indifference...considering that your actions would place your Mother in jail and you didn't care..

people want to claim the right to believe but yet wish to close their eyes to the fact that what they believe effects others, society and The World


We went over this.

Call it whatever you want.

I proved you wrong before..
..I don't "need" to do so again.

Like that?

See what I did there?

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:20 PM

I would consider my Troll behavior pertaining to someone that had to use the term so much, due to my escapades trying to excel to my conscious


Interesting.

See what I did here?

This is what I call "Funching" it.

no photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:31 PM


I missed it, what happened?



Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:36 PM



I missed it, what happened?





"Funching":

Taking some of the words in a statement, make your own conclusion of what was said.

no photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:37 PM

no, the first one were u said "see what I did there"


Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:38 PM


no, the first one were u said "see what I did there"




Oh, the personal attacks he's using.

They are from our conversation on:

"The obvious difference between a "want" and a "need"."

So, when I "need" ed it..

..tis the reference.

no photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:39 PM


If u need something, don't u want it???



Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:41 PM



If u need something, don't u want it???





Not necessarily, no.

Suicidal people disprove that idea.

no photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:42 PM




If u need something, don't u want it???





Not necessarily, no.

Suicidal people disprove that idea.


?


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