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| Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe - part 2 | |
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If u need something, don't u want it??? Not necessarily, no. Suicidal people disprove that idea. ? Main difference: "Need" is something that is a necessity; cannot live without. "Want" is something, simply put, you can live without. A human "needs" air, water, and food to survive. A suicidal person "needs" these as well, but they do not "want" them. You can "want" something so bad you feel like you "need" it; but it is still a "want" if, in fact, you can "survive" without it. |
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when you harm others with what you believe Just to clarify though. "If I believe A, with all my heart." How does me believing in A (B)cause harm to another person (B)? A - Is a spiritual thing; holds no 'physical' properties. B - Is an action caused from something physical. a BELIEF can't do HARM. Actions do. That's falsely blaming something for "harm". Exactly, a "belief" harms no one. The person is accountable for their "actions", but you can not directly blame a belief for a person's actions. For it was still their choice to do that action or not. Belief and action(s) are two totally different things. Beg to differ. Belief can harm. There is a false belief in some religions that Women are inferior to men. This causes harm to a Woman from the moment she is born. Because a firm belief will color all action and just the fact that the belief is present will create harm as she absorbes her 'place'... The harm follows her then for the rest of her life. Leaving a hole where truth ought to be. and the harm inflicted on women due to a belief is passed to the children ...in some religious beliefs women are suppose to remain silent so do one have "the right to believe" that women should remain silent..would such a belief dictate how you view women or threat them A person does have the right to believe in this way... Yet as more and more believe it not. It will go away. For this belief is a falsness. Example... Children are the future. Children are taught by their parents. If the mother is not educated at the same level as the father(because she is thought to be 'less than', the child will only have half of its necessary education. therefore a belief that women are the equal of men and not his servant aids the children to excel (having a full education)... and this is but a small sample of why believing that Women are inferior is a false path. (though a person still has a right to believe as they wish). |
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when you harm others with what you believe Just to clarify though. "If I believe A, with all my heart." How does me believing in A (B)cause harm to another person (B)? A - Is a spiritual thing; holds no 'physical' properties. B - Is an action caused from something physical. a BELIEF can't do HARM. Actions do. That's falsely blaming something for "harm". Exactly, a "belief" harms no one. The person is accountable for their "actions", but you can not directly blame a belief for a person's actions. For it was still their choice to do that action or not. Belief and action(s) are two totally different things. Beg to differ. Belief can harm. There is a false belief in some religions that Women are inferior to men. This causes harm to a Woman from the moment she is born. Because a firm belief will color all action and just the fact that the belief is present will create harm as she absorbes her 'place'... The harm follows her then for the rest of her life. Leaving a hole where truth ought to be. and the harm inflicted on women due to a belief is passed to the children ...in some religious beliefs women are suppose to remain silent so do one have "the right to believe" that women should remain silent..would such a belief dictate how you view women or threat them A person does have the right to believe in this way... Yet as more and more believe it not. It will go away. For this belief is a falsness. Example... Children are the future. Children are taught by their parents. If the mother is not educated at the same level as the father(because she is thought to be 'less than', the child will only have half of its necessary education. therefore a belief that women are the equal of men and not his servant aids the children to excel (having a full education)... and this is but a small sample of why believing that Women are inferior is a false path. (though a person still has a right to believe as they wish). |
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when you harm others with what you believe Just to clarify though. "If I believe A, with all my heart." How does me believing in A (B)cause harm to another person (B)? A - Is a spiritual thing; holds no 'physical' properties. B - Is an action caused from something physical. a BELIEF can't do HARM. Actions do. That's falsely blaming something for "harm". Exactly, a "belief" harms no one. The person is accountable for their "actions", but you can not directly blame a belief for a person's actions. For it was still their choice to do that action or not. Belief and action(s) are two totally different things. Beg to differ. Belief can harm. There is a false belief in some religions that Women are inferior to men. This causes harm to a Woman from the moment she is born. Because a firm belief will color all action and just the fact that the belief is present will create harm as she absorbes her 'place'... The harm follows her then for the rest of her life. Leaving a hole where truth ought to be. and the harm inflicted on women due to a belief is passed to the children ...in some religious beliefs women are suppose to remain silent so do one have "the right to believe" that women should remain silent..would such a belief dictate how you view women or threat them A person does have the right to believe in this way... Yet as more and more believe it not. It will go away. For this belief is a falsness. Example... Children are the future. Children are taught by their parents. If the mother is not educated at the same level as the father(because she is thought to be 'less than', the child will only have half of its necessary education. therefore a belief that women are the equal of men and not his servant aids the children to excel (having a full education)... and this is but a small sample of why believing that Women are inferior is a false path. (though a person still has a right to believe as they wish). |
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In case no one told you: "Not going to school; isn't a religious or spiritual belief; as in, I didn't "worship" anything, I didn't "pray" to anything, and, point in fact, it wasn't even a "belief", it's defiance. it's not defiance...it's indifference...considering that your actions would place your Mother in jail and you didn't care.. people want to claim the right to believe but yet wish to close their eyes to the fact that what they believe effects others, society and The World We went over this. Call it whatever you want. I proved you wrong before.. ..I don't "need" to do so again. Like that? See what I did there? you can't prove me wrong...yout Mother have to prove this...but I'm pretty sure she would agree that you doing things to get her placed in jail amounts to Troll Behavior only those with behavior problems that stem from childhood due to unaddressed issues with a parent(s) resort to name calling.... it's a need to vent...to release anger at a parent or parents ...so they seek out a substitute parent ... |
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when you harm others with what you believe Just to clarify though. "If I believe A, with all my heart." How does me believing in A (B)cause harm to another person (B)? A - Is a spiritual thing; holds no 'physical' properties. B - Is an action caused from something physical. a BELIEF can't do HARM. Actions do. That's falsely blaming something for "harm". Exactly, a "belief" harms no one. The person is accountable for their "actions", but you can not directly blame a belief for a person's actions. For it was still their choice to do that action or not. Belief and action(s) are two totally different things. Beg to differ. Belief can harm. There is a false belief in some religions that Women are inferior to men. This causes harm to a Woman from the moment she is born. Because a firm belief will color all action and just the fact that the belief is present will create harm as she absorbes her 'place'... The harm follows her then for the rest of her life. Leaving a hole where truth ought to be. and the harm inflicted on women due to a belief is passed to the children ...in some religious beliefs women are suppose to remain silent so do one have "the right to believe" that women should remain silent..would such a belief dictate how you view women or threat them A person does have the right to believe in this way... Yet as more and more believe it not. It will go away. For this belief is a falsness. Example... Children are the future. Children are taught by their parents. If the mother is not educated at the same level as the father(because she is thought to be 'less than', the child will only have half of its necessary education. therefore a belief that women are the equal of men and not his servant aids the children to excel (having a full education)... and this is but a small sample of why believing that Women are inferior is a false path. (though a person still has a right to believe as they wish). Adventurebegins...if you claim that someone has the "right to believe" that women should be silent, then how can that belief also be false in the eyes of the beholder wouldn't this belief be Truth that women should remain silent ...and therefore it's permissable to spread this idealogy onto the children and into society ...and all those that hold this belief as Truth or use faith to claim it is truth are therefore responsible for the outcome of injecting this belief to the world and this is why all those that believe in God or use faith as proof of the existence of God is also responsible for what that God does or what others do in the name of God |
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when you harm others with what you believe Just to clarify though. "If I believe A, with all my heart." How does me believing in A (B)cause harm to another person (B)? A - Is a spiritual thing; holds no 'physical' properties. B - Is an action caused from something physical. a BELIEF can't do HARM. Actions do. That's falsely blaming something for "harm". Exactly, a "belief" harms no one. The person is accountable for their "actions", but you can not directly blame a belief for a person's actions. For it was still their choice to do that action or not. Belief and action(s) are two totally different things. Beg to differ. Belief can harm. There is a false belief in some religions that Women are inferior to men. This causes harm to a Woman from the moment she is born. Because a firm belief will color all action and just the fact that the belief is present will create harm as she absorbes her 'place'... The harm follows her then for the rest of her life. Leaving a hole where truth ought to be. and the harm inflicted on women due to a belief is passed to the children ...in some religious beliefs women are suppose to remain silent so do one have "the right to believe" that women should remain silent..would such a belief dictate how you view women or threat them A person does have the right to believe in this way... Yet as more and more believe it not. It will go away. For this belief is a falsness. Example... Children are the future. Children are taught by their parents. If the mother is not educated at the same level as the father(because she is thought to be 'less than', the child will only have half of its necessary education. therefore a belief that women are the equal of men and not his servant aids the children to excel (having a full education)... and this is but a small sample of why believing that Women are inferior is a false path. (though a person still has a right to believe as they wish). Adventurebegins...if you claim that someone has the "right to believe" that women should be silent, then how can that belief also be false in the eyes of the beholder wouldn't this belief be Truth that women should remain silent ...and therefore it's permissable to spread this idealogy onto the children and into society ...and all those that hold this belief as Truth or use faith to claim it is truth are therefore responsible for the outcome of injecting this belief to the world and this is why all those that believe in God or use faith as proof of the existence of God is also responsible for what that God does or what others do in the name of God What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... I am responsible for what I do 'in the name of God'. Free Will gives a person the right to believe. Yet as the books say... Placing a belive in falseness will lead no where. People that 'believe' a woman should be 'less than' or even 'silent' will find the world has left them behind. If it is a large group there will be a slow 'falling away' from that group into a path that leads to the rest of the world. (until that group is but a few). Both truths and false beliefs exist. The true path will advance mankind. The false path will leave behind only its refuse, floating upon the sea of confusion. |
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Edited by
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Sat 03/10/12 07:59 AM
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What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... so you're willing to inject the ideology of a God as Truth with only Faith as proof that it is truth... but not willing to take responsibility for the effects that your ideology has on society |
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What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... so you're willing to inject the ideology of a God as Truth with only Faith as proof that it is truth... but not willing to take responsibility for the effects that your ideology has on society ..it's not your "responsibility" to "control" another person's actions. Let alone their own "beliefs". Especially if your "message" is "peace". And that individual turns it into "violence" and "war". |
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What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... so you're willing to inject the ideology of a God as Truth with only Faith as proof that it is truth... but not willing to take responsibility for the effects that your ideology has on society ..it's not your "responsibility" to "control" another person's actions. Let alone their own "beliefs". Especially if your "message" is "peace". And that individual turns it into "violence" and "war". don't you think that parents have a responsibility to control their children actions .. |
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What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... so you're willing to inject the ideology of a God as Truth with only Faith as proof that it is truth... but not willing to take responsibility for the effects that your ideology has on society ..it's not your "responsibility" to "control" another person's actions. Let alone their own "beliefs". Especially if your "message" is "peace". And that individual turns it into "violence" and "war". don't you think that parents have a responsibility to control their children actions .. Now you categorize it? Me controlling a complete stranger vs. Parent and his/her kids. These are two incomparable for what you are asking. One IS your responsibility; you MADE them. The other is someone else's entirely. I have and will never have any responsibility regarding your children Funches. Just like it is vice versa. Just like I don't hold any responsibility over what YOU believe. Even if we "say" we "believe" the same thing; you turn it into hostility, and I do not; I am not "responsible" for your interpretation of our shared belief. |
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Edited by
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Sat 03/10/12 09:17 AM
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What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... so you're willing to inject the ideology of a God as Truth with only Faith as proof that it is truth... but not willing to take responsibility for the effects that your ideology has on society ..it's not your "responsibility" to "control" another person's actions. Let alone their own "beliefs". Especially if your "message" is "peace". And that individual turns it into "violence" and "war". don't you think that parents have a responsibility to control their children actions .. Now you categorize it? Me controlling a complete stranger vs. Parent and his/her kids. These are two incomparable for what you are asking. One IS your responsibility; you MADE them. The other is someone else's entirely. I have and will never have any responsibility regarding your children Funches. Just like it is vice versa. Just like I don't hold any responsibility over what YOU believe. Even if we "say" we "believe" the same thing; you turn it into hostility, and I do not; I am not "responsible" for your interpretation of our shared belief. it's a simple yes or no question.....do parent have the responsibility to control their children actions? let me guess...you're going to play like you already answer the question ..... |
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What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... so you're willing to inject the ideology of a God as Truth with only Faith as proof that it is truth... but not willing to take responsibility for the effects that your ideology has on society ..it's not your "responsibility" to "control" another person's actions. Let alone their own "beliefs". Especially if your "message" is "peace". And that individual turns it into "violence" and "war". don't you think that parents have a responsibility to control their children actions .. Now you categorize it? Me controlling a complete stranger vs. Parent and his/her kids. These are two incomparable for what you are asking. One IS your responsibility; you MADE them. The other is someone else's entirely. I have and will never have any responsibility regarding your children Funches. Just like it is vice versa. Just like I don't hold any responsibility over what YOU believe. Even if we "say" we "believe" the same thing; you turn it into hostility, and I do not; I am not "responsible" for your interpretation of our shared belief. it's a simple yes or no question.....do parent have the responsibility to control their children actions? let me guess...you're going to play like you already answer the question ..... LOL Why do I need to play? You still can't read apparently. Here, I'll bold print my reply to it that was ALREADY given. xD |
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What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... so you're willing to inject the ideology of a God as Truth with only Faith as proof that it is truth... but not willing to take responsibility for the effects that your ideology has on society ..it's not your "responsibility" to "control" another person's actions. Let alone their own "beliefs". Especially if your "message" is "peace". And that individual turns it into "violence" and "war". don't you think that parents have a responsibility to control their children actions .. Now you categorize it? Me controlling a complete stranger vs. Parent and his/her kids. These are two incomparable for what you are asking. One IS your responsibility; you MADE them. The other is someone else's entirely. I have and will never have any responsibility regarding your children Funches. Just like it is vice versa. Just like I don't hold any responsibility over what YOU believe. Even if we "say" we "believe" the same thing; you turn it into hostility, and I do not; I am not "responsible" for your interpretation of our shared belief. it's a simple yes or no question.....do parent have the responsibility to control their children actions? let me guess...you're going to play like you already answer the question ..... LOL Why do I need to play? You still can't read apparently. Here, I'll bold print my reply to it that was ALREADY given. xD |
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What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... so you're willing to inject the ideology of a God as Truth with only Faith as proof that it is truth... but not willing to take responsibility for the effects that your ideology has on society ..it's not your "responsibility" to "control" another person's actions. Let alone their own "beliefs". Especially if your "message" is "peace". And that individual turns it into "violence" and "war". don't you think that parents have a responsibility to control their children actions .. Now you categorize it? Me controlling a complete stranger vs. Parent and his/her kids. These are two incomparable for what you are asking. One IS your responsibility; you MADE them. The other is someone else's entirely. I have and will never have any responsibility regarding your children Funches. Just like it is vice versa. Just like I don't hold any responsibility over what YOU believe. Even if we "say" we "believe" the same thing; you turn it into hostility, and I do not; I am not "responsible" for your interpretation of our shared belief. it's a simple yes or no question.....do parent have the responsibility to control their children actions? let me guess...you're going to play like you already answer the question ..... LOL Why do I need to play? You still can't read apparently. Here, I'll bold print my reply to it that was ALREADY given. xD take responsibility for the child and your ideology ..since you are releasing both upon society |
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What another does 'in the name of God' applies not to me... so you're willing to inject the ideology of a God as Truth with only Faith as proof that it is truth... but not willing to take responsibility for the effects that your ideology has on society ..it's not your "responsibility" to "control" another person's actions. Let alone their own "beliefs". Especially if your "message" is "peace". And that individual turns it into "violence" and "war". don't you think that parents have a responsibility to control their children actions .. Now you categorize it? Me controlling a complete stranger vs. Parent and his/her kids. These are two incomparable for what you are asking. One IS your responsibility; you MADE them. The other is someone else's entirely. I have and will never have any responsibility regarding your children Funches. Just like it is vice versa. Just like I don't hold any responsibility over what YOU believe. Even if we "say" we "believe" the same thing; you turn it into hostility, and I do not; I am not "responsible" for your interpretation of our shared belief. it's a simple yes or no question.....do parent have the responsibility to control their children actions? let me guess...you're going to play like you already answer the question ..... LOL Why do I need to play? You still can't read apparently. Here, I'll bold print my reply to it that was ALREADY given. xD take responsibility for the child and your ideology ..since you are releasing both upon society I do. UNTIL. They are old enough to make their own choices. I have no obligation nor responsibility once he is old enough nor do I hold any for others kids, their parents, or complete strangers. |
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I do. UNTIL. They are old enough to make their own choices. I have no obligation nor responsibility once he is old enough nor do I hold any for others kids, their parents, or complete strangers. you were the one that created and/or unleased both the child and the ideology into soceity which is why what results from it is due to you if you are not willing to take responsibiity...then don't have any children or keep your ideology to yourself and out of society |
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I do. UNTIL. They are old enough to make their own choices. I have no obligation nor responsibility once he is old enough nor do I hold any for others kids, their parents, or complete strangers. you were the one that created and/or unleased both the child and the ideology into soceity which is why what results from it is due to you if you are not willing to take responsibiity...then don't have any children or keep your ideology to yourself and out of society Soooo, do we blame kindergarten for your ideology? |
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I do. UNTIL. They are old enough to make their own choices. I have no obligation nor responsibility once he is old enough nor do I hold any for others kids, their parents, or complete strangers. you were the one that created and/or unleased both the child and the ideology into soceity which is why what results from it is due to you if you are not willing to take responsibiity...then don't have any children or keep your ideology to yourself and out of society I don't have to, nor need to, nor will ever take the responsibility of someone else' actions. The only "ideology" I enforce on my son is the Golden Rule. Outside that, if he grows up and decides to no longer abide the Golden Rule, it's not my ideology to begin with; therefore again, not my responsibility. |
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I do. UNTIL. They are old enough to make their own choices. I have no obligation nor responsibility once he is old enough nor do I hold any for others kids, their parents, or complete strangers. you were the one that created and/or unleased both the child and the ideology into soceity which is why what results from it is due to you if you are not willing to take responsibiity...then don't have any children or keep your ideology to yourself and out of society Soooo, do we blame kindergarten for your ideology? or perhaps blame Yahweh for your ideology.....do all those that use Yahweh name as their avatar Flame |
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