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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe - part 2
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 05:47 PM
TAKE YOUR FOOLISH ARSE OFF THIS INTERNET AND GO STUDY AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF!!! ALL THE EXPLAINING IN THE WORLD WON'T HELP ,CAUSE YOU ARE UNTEACHABLE!!! IF YOU SINCERELY WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, YOU WILL TAKE THE ADVICE AND GO BEFORE GOD, AND ASK GOD TO SHOW YOU THE TRUTH, INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO SPREAD FALSE TEACHING ON HERE !! I am teachable, I sincerely wish for you to explain the following verse. Psalm 82:6 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Notice, ye are gods and children of the most High. MorningSong, no matter how much I may "disagree" with you, I'm truly not doing this out of spite or anything foul.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 05:49 PM
TAKE YOUR FOOLISH ARSE OFF THIS INTERNET AND GO STUDY AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF!!! ALL THE EXPLAINING IN THE WORLD WON'T HELP ,CAUSE YOU ARE UNTEACHABLE!!! IF YOU SINCERELY WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, YOU WILL TAKE THE ADVICE AND GO BEFORE GOD, AND ASK GOD TO SHOW YOU THE TRUTH, INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO SPREAD FALSE TEACHING ON HERE !! I am teachable, I sincerely wish for you to explain the following verse. Psalm 82:6 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Notice, ye are gods and children of the most High. MorningSong, no matter how much I may "disagree" with you, I'm truly not doing this out of spite or anything foul. Psalm 82 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. This one to as it puts the other one in context. The entire chapter is speaking of this.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 03/19/12 05:56 PM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 03/19/12 05:57 PM
LAST POST.....YOU GO STUDY GOD'S WORD AND FIND OUT WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS AND MEANS...FOR YOURSELF!!! YOU TAKE THE TIME OUT TO STUDY BEFORE POSTING!! NOT MY JOB !!! LAST TIME I AM SAYING THIS NOW!!! TAKE CARE NOW !!!!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 05:57 PM
LAST POST.....YOU GO STUDY GOD'S WORD AND FIND OUT WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS MEANS...FOR YOURSELF!!! YOU TAKE TIME TO STUDY BEOFRE POSTING!! NOT MY JOB !!! LAT TIME I AM SAYING THIS NOW!!! TAKE CARE NOW !!!! Take care morningsong :). Sorry you have nothing to say about the verse I posted.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 03/19/12 06:12 PM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 03/19/12 06:20 PM
Here Cowboy....This is to help get you started in your study time in The Word now: Question: "What does the Bible mean by 'you are gods' / 'ye are gods' in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34?" Answer: Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is Elohim. It usually refers to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” It is clear rom the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to MAGISTRATES, JUDGES, and other people WHO HOLD POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY AND RULE !!!!! Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8. This use of the word “gods” to refer to humans is RARE, but it is found elsewhere in the Old Testament. For example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28. The whole point of Psalm 82 is that earthly judges must act with impartiality and true justice, because even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Verses 6 and 7 warn human magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, `You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” This passage is saying that God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people. They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used that authority. Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6; reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men—albeit men of authority and prestige— as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to magistrates in general. If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (verses 34-36)? In contrast, we have the serpent’s lie to Eve in the Garden. His statement, “your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:5), was a half-truth. Their eyes were opened (verse 7), but they did not become like God. In fact, they LOST authority, rather than gaining it. Satan DECEIVED Eve about her ability to become like the one true God, and so led her into a lie. Jesus defended His claim to be the Son of God on biblical and semantic grounds—there is a sense in which influential men can be thought of as gods; therefore, the Messiah can rightly apply the term to Himself. Human beings are NOT “gods” or “little gods.” We are NOT God !!! GOD IS GOD , and we who know Christ are His children. gotquestions.org

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 06:19 PM
Here Cowboy....This is to help get you started in your study time in The Word now: Question: "What does the Bible mean by 'you are gods' / 'ye are gods' in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34?" Answer: Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is Elohim. It usually refers to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” It is clear rom the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to MAGISTRATES, JUDGES, and other people WHO HOLD POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY AND RULE !!!!! Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8. This use of the word “gods” to refer to humans is RARE, but it is found elsewhere in the Old Testament. For example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28. The whole point of Psalm 82 is that earthly judges must act with impartiality and true justice, because even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Verses 6 and 7 warn human magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, `You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” This passage is saying that God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people. They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used that authority. Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6; reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men—albeit men of authority and prestige— as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to magistrates in general. If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (verses 34-36)? In contrast, we have the serpent’s lie to Eve in the Garden. His statement, “your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:5), was a half-truth. Their eyes were opened (verse 7), but they did not become like God. In fact, they lost authority, rather than gaining it. Satan deceived Eve about her ability to become like the one true God, and so led her into a lie. Jesus defended His claim to be the Son of God on biblical and semantic grounds—there is a sense in which influential men can be thought of as gods; therefore, the Messiah can rightly apply the term to Himself. Human beings are not “gods” or “little gods.” We are NOT God. God is God, and we who know Christ are His children. gotquestions.org Listen here MorningSong, I'm disucssing with YOU. Not Gotquestions. Human beings are not “gods” or “little gods.” We are NOT God. God is God, and we who know Christ are His children. No, we aren't "little gods". We are Gods, children of the most high. 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 06:24 PM
Here Cowboy....This is to help get you started in your study time in The Word now: Question: "What does the Bible mean by 'you are gods' / 'ye are gods' in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34?" Answer: Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is Elohim. It usually refers to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” It is clear rom the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to MAGISTRATES, JUDGES, and other people WHO HOLD POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY AND RULE !!!!! Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8. This use of the word “gods” to refer to humans is RARE, but it is found elsewhere in the Old Testament. For example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28. The whole point of Psalm 82 is that earthly judges must act with impartiality and true justice, because even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Verses 6 and 7 warn human magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, `You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” This passage is saying that God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people. They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used that authority. Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6; reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men—albeit men of authority and prestige— as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to magistrates in general. If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (verses 34-36)? In contrast, we have the serpent’s lie to Eve in the Garden. His statement, “your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:5), was a half-truth. Their eyes were opened (verse 7), but they did not become like God. In fact, they lost authority, rather than gaining it. Satan deceived Eve about her ability to become like the one true God, and so led her into a lie. Jesus defended His claim to be the Son of God on biblical and semantic grounds—there is a sense in which influential men can be thought of as gods; therefore, the Messiah can rightly apply the term to Himself. Human beings are not “gods” or “little gods.” We are NOT God. God is God, and we who know Christ are His children. gotquestions.org Listen here MorningSong, I'm disucssing with YOU. Not Gotquestions. Human beings are not “gods” or “little gods.” We are NOT God. God is God, and we who know Christ are His children. No, we aren't "little gods". We are Gods, children of the most high. 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. If we are not "gods" then whom will God judge? Psalm 82 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 03/19/12 06:29 PM
NOT GONNA WASTE ANY MORE OF MY TIME WITH A FOOLISH UNTEACHABLE PERSON WHO THINKS HE IS A GOD. GOODBYE.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 03/19/12 06:29 PM
intertesting...yall are both christians, but ready to go to war over this?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 06:31 PM
NOT GONNA WASTE ANY MORE OF MY TIME WITH A FOOLISH UNTEACHABLE PERSON WHO THINKS HE IS A GOD. GOODBYE. If you can explain the chapter of Psalms 82, you'll open my eyes. You don't wish to discuss. When something is said you don't know or don't believe in resulting in no investigation on your part, you run off with a comment stating the other to be "unteachable".

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 06:32 PM
intertesting...yall are both christians, but ready to go to war over this? Not at war lol. If Pslms 82 can be explained, then this will be undestood, dropped, and moved on to the next discussion for more knowledge.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 06:34 PM
intertesting...yall are both christians, but ready to go to war over this? Not at war lol. If Pslms 82 can be explained, then this will be undestood, dropped, and moved on to the next discussion for more knowledge. Psalm 82 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations ============== This is the entire chapter. Says we are Gods, but will die LIKE men. If we die LIKE men, that infers we are also something else. The only other reference to us being anything else in this specific area, would be gods.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 06:37 PM
intertesting...yall are both christians, but ready to go to war over this? Not at war lol. If Pslms 82 can be explained, then this will be undestood, dropped, and moved on to the next discussion for more knowledge. Psalm 82 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations ============== This is the entire chapter. Says we are Gods, but will die LIKE men. If we die LIKE men, that infers we are also something else. The only other reference to us being anything else in this specific area, would be gods. But yet there is still just one God. For again "god" means authority. Even though we are the gods of this planet in comparison to say the animals, we still have a god over us eg., an authority over us. Thus Jesus, our God. So there is still just one God to us, Jesus. And Jesus has an authority over him, his father. Is the reason he referred to his father as "God" eg., my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 03/19/12 06:45 PM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 03/19/12 06:55 PM
IF you had even bothered reading what was shared in the first place , you would have seen "ye are gods" was ONLY referring to those in power !!! IF you decide one day to study this further , you will find EACH time, that "ye are gods" refers ONLY to those in POWER AND AUTHORITY OVER THE PEOPLE!!! MEANING....RULERS AND MAGISTRATES ONLY !!! NO ONE ELSE AND NOTHING MORE !!!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 06:50 PM
IF you had even bothered reading what was shared in the first place , you would have seen "ye are gods" was ONLY referring to those in power !!! IF you decide one day to study this further , you will find EACH time, that "ye are gods" refers ONLY to those in POWER!!! NOTHING MORE !! So the people in power are the only children of God? Could be reading it wrong, but I could sware it says "and ALL of you" 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Mon 03/19/12 06:50 PM
But yet there is still just one God. For again "god" means authority. Even though we are the gods of this planet in comparison to say the animals, we still have a god over us eg., an authority over us. Thus Jesus, our God. So there is still just one God to us, Jesus. And Jesus has an authority over him, his father. Is the reason he referred to his father as "God" eg., my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. Cowboy, unless you believe in the "trinty" concept, placing Jesus as "our God" breaks the commandment of thou shalt not have any gods before me...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 06:56 PM
But yet there is still just one God. For again "god" means authority. Even though we are the gods of this planet in comparison to say the animals, we still have a god over us eg., an authority over us. Thus Jesus, our God. So there is still just one God to us, Jesus. And Jesus has an authority over him, his father. Is the reason he referred to his father as "God" eg., my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. Cowboy, unless you believe in the "trinty" concept, placing Jesus as "our God" breaks the commandment of thou shalt not have any gods before me... Isaiah 41:13 13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee. Breaks no commandments. Jesus is our God. Jesus is the one that told us not to have any other gods before him.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 06:58 PM
But yet there is still just one God. For again "god" means authority. Even though we are the gods of this planet in comparison to say the animals, we still have a god over us eg., an authority over us. Thus Jesus, our God. So there is still just one God to us, Jesus. And Jesus has an authority over him, his father. Is the reason he referred to his father as "God" eg., my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. Cowboy, unless you believe in the "trinty" concept, placing Jesus as "our God" breaks the commandment of thou shalt not have any gods before me... Isaiah 41:13 13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee. Breaks no commandments. Jesus is our God. Jesus is the one that told us not to have any other gods before him. Jesus is also our creator. ----------------------------- Genesis 2:4 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Jesus is our God ----------------- Isaiah 45:5 5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 03/19/12 06:59 PM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 03/19/12 07:04 PM
But yet there is still just one God. For again "god" means authority. Even though we are the gods of this planet in comparison to say the animals, we still have a god over us eg., an authority over us. Thus Jesus, our God. So there is still just one God to us, Jesus. And Jesus has an authority over him, his father. Is the reason he referred to his father as "God" eg., my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. Cowboy, unless you believe in the "trinty" concept, placing Jesus as "our God" breaks the commandment of thou shalt not have any gods before me... EXACTLY !!!! COWBOY THINKS JESUS IS JUST "OUR GOD", AND GOD THE FATHER IS ONLY JESUS'S GOD !!! TO COWBOY,GOD THE FATHER IS A DIFFERENT ENTITY ENTIRELY ..AND JUST GOD OVER JESUS, NOT OVER US !!! IT IS SAD !!!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/19/12 07:01 PM
But yet there is still just one God. For again "god" means authority. Even though we are the gods of this planet in comparison to say the animals, we still have a god over us eg., an authority over us. Thus Jesus, our God. So there is still just one God to us, Jesus. And Jesus has an authority over him, his father. Is the reason he referred to his father as "God" eg., my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. Cowboy, unless you believe in the "trinty" concept, placing Jesus as "our God" breaks the commandment of thou shalt not have any gods before me... EXACTLY !!!! Not breaking any commandments. What commandment am I breaking?