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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 03/01/12 06:22 PM
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I havta resist all this............ its givin me a head ache!!!!!! Is that my brain resisting thought????? Resistance is futile. But if you like pain, then resist. |
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Possibly Lets consider blaming the brain for all pain. If we disconnect the pain centers in our brains, we would feel no physical pain. If we stopped feeling love and attachment and were emotionless psychopaths then we would feel no emotional pain. Imagine what kind of world that would be. Example: A psychopathic person threatens to torture a person for whatever reason or for information. The person, also a psychopath and having his pain center disconnected would say: Go ahead I don't give a rat's butt. |
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Well you asked what the cause of pain was. That is attachment. Without attachment you will not feel pain. With attacent you will feel pain at the loss. Resistance continues the pain. But no matter how quickly you stop resisting, you will feel the initial pain of loss. If that were true, then what that means is that people could avoid emotional pain if they could practice complete emotional detachment. Just block your heart and don't give a crap about anyone or anything. (That could be why we are seeing so many psychopaths emerging in our society.) I would rather take my chances with real love. I can deal with my own propensity to feel pain. When its over its just over. Accept it as quickly as possible and move on with your life. But I would never blame love (or attachment) for my own pain which is a resistance to what is, and I would never give up feeling love and attachment for people to avoid feeling fear or pain. The price is too high. It would be the price of a life without feeling love or compassion for others. I didn't say anyone should practice such detachment. I simply answered your question as to what causes pain. |
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Possibly Lets consider blaming the brain for all pain. If we disconnect the pain centers in our brains, we would feel no physical pain. If we stopped feeling love and attachment and were emotionless psychopaths then we would feel no emotional pain. Imagine what kind of world that would be. Example: A psychopathic person threatens to torture a person for whatever reason or for information. The person, also a psychopath and having his pain center disconnected would say: Go ahead I don't give a rat's butt. Can psychopaths feel pleasure? Physical pleasure. Because there has to be at least some driving principle to survive. Hunger and thirst are painful. A psychopath would not need food to alleviate his pain of hunger; he would starve to death. The only thing to save him from this horrible death is if he finds food to cause him pleasrue when he eats food. The pleasure of food on one hand the beating of hunger, on the other hand the exciting of the taste buds. So the psychopath may want to eat to feel taste, but he can do that many other way than eating food. For instance, he could chew tasty chewing gum, or eat strawberry-flavoured edible panties. Maybe eat edible oil products or Big Macs, which have zero nutrient value. |
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Pain.
I am "a pain". I am also called a "pain in the azz", "a pain, that just wont go away", "a pain to deal with". I like my hair pulled. It is a little painful, but I like it! I like myself... so I guess, I like pain. |
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Pain is the most common symptom of injury and disease, and descriptions can range in intensity from a mere ache to unbearable agony. Nociceptors have the ability to convey information to the brain that indicates the location, nature, and intensity of the pain. For example, stepping on a nail sends an information-packed message to the brain: the foot has experienced a puncture wound that hurts a lot.
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Pain is the most common symptom of injury and disease, and descriptions can range in intensity from a mere ache to unbearable agony. Nociceptors have the ability to convey information to the brain that indicates the location, nature, and intensity of the pain. For example, stepping on a nail sends an information-packed message to the brain: the foot has experienced a puncture wound that hurts a lot. Is all of that going to show up on my MRI next week? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 03/01/12 08:10 PM
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Well you asked what the cause of pain was. That is attachment. Without attachment you will not feel pain. With attacent you will feel pain at the loss. Resistance continues the pain. But no matter how quickly you stop resisting, you will feel the initial pain of loss. If that were true, then what that means is that people could avoid emotional pain if they could practice complete emotional detachment. Just block your heart and don't give a crap about anyone or anything. (That could be why we are seeing so many psychopaths emerging in our society.) I would rather take my chances with real love. I can deal with my own propensity to feel pain. When its over its just over. Accept it as quickly as possible and move on with your life. But I would never blame love (or attachment) for my own pain which is a resistance to what is, and I would never give up feeling love and attachment for people to avoid feeling fear or pain. The price is too high. It would be the price of a life without feeling love or compassion for others. I didn't say anyone should practice such detachment. I simply answered your question as to what causes pain. You are right, you didn't say that. (I did.) But I did not say that people SHOULD practice emotionless detachment. Are you reading what I post? I said, if what you say is true that attachment is the cause of pain, then to avoid emotional pain you could practice detachment and stop caring or loving or being attached to anyone. Live as a psychopath or robot with no emotions who does not know how to love. Don't get involved or attached to anything or anyone. That would be the solution if attachment is what causes pain. You say you "answered my question" but you just gave your opinion as to what you feel causes pain. I disagree. Attachment itself is not the cause of pain. It is my belief that it is the resistance to change that causes emotional pain. I left several detailed examples of why I think that. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 03/01/12 08:17 PM
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WUX,
Can psychopaths feel pleasure? Physical pleasure. Because there has to be at least some driving principle to survive. Hunger and thirst are painful. A psychopath would not need food to alleviate his pain of hunger; he would starve to death. The only thing to save him from this horrible death is if he finds food to cause him pleasrue when he eats food. The pleasure of food on one hand the beating of hunger, on the other hand the exciting of the taste buds. So the psychopath may want to eat to feel taste, but he can do that many other way than eating food. For instance, he could chew tasty chewing gum, or eat strawberry-flavoured edible panties. Maybe eat edible oil products or Big Macs, which have zero nutrient value. Yes I think psychopaths do indeed feel pleasure, both physical and emotional. I don't think hunger and thirst are painful unless they are at their extremes when your life is in danger. Probably the closest thing to mental or emotional pain a true psychopath can feel is not getting what he or she wants, and the emotion is anger and maybe frustration and rage. |
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Epicurus holds that most pain is caused by delusions
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^^ An Epicurean! How interesting. I've just been trying to decide if I'm one.
The theory that attachment causes pain and detachment is the cure for that is Buddhism in a nutshell. They aim for detachment from emotions, and they stress that detachment is not the same as not caring. In fact, they believe that the self is not differentiated from anything else in the universe. All is oneness. Therefore, you would not harm other beings because that is the same thing as harming yourself. I've always found this a very attractive philosophy, but I do have some issues with it. |
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Pain, is the area within our brain,
which allows our torment of thoughts to be focussed in one area! OUR capabilities to resist its torment, is weighed by our desires to withstand its success of completion. EXIBIT A. <------How long can this fellow do THIS,,before HE ADMITS HE CAN NO LONGER RESIST THE ONE MILLION LITTLE EGGS FORMING ON HIS FOREHEAD,,GROWING OUT-WARD,,AND THEN POUNDING THEM BACK IN? mmmmmmmmmm Gee,,,Mr Knowitall,,,,I DON'T KNOW? |
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Epicurus holds that most pain is caused by delusions Perhaps all of reality is caused by "delusions." |
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Pain and loss are a normal and healthy part of being a human. I would not want to live a life free of pain because that would mean I had had nothing that brought me joy and happiness.
As with all things in life it comes down to balance. A time to dance and a time to mourn... It's all a part of life. JB, I think what you are saying is that, yes, there is a time to mourn, but don't get stuck there. That's where the imbalance comes in. Deep depression or anxiety can set in and that is never a good thing. Accepting the ups and downs of life is necessary to truly live. I'm sorry if that's not what you meant. But, that's what I got out of it. |
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Pain and loss are a normal and healthy part of being a human. I would not want to live a life free of pain because that would mean I had had nothing that brought me joy and happiness. As with all things in life it comes down to balance. A time to dance and a time to mourn... It's all a part of life. JB, I think what you are saying is that, yes, there is a time to mourn, but don't get stuck there. That's where the imbalance comes in. Deep depression or anxiety can set in and that is never a good thing. Accepting the ups and downs of life is necessary to truly live. I'm sorry if that's not what you meant. But, that's what I got out of it. Yes that is what I meant. I have been exploring the subject after having read a philosophy that stated that all pain is the result of resistance. My father died on my birthday and we buried him yesterday. His death was a relief from seeing him in such a deteriorating condition and knowing he was in pain. I have cared for him for many years. I feel less pain in his passing than I did in his lingering. |
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Yes that is what I meant. I have been exploring the subject after having read a philosophy that stated that all pain is the result of resistance. My father died on my birthday and we buried him yesterday. His death was a relief from seeing him in such a deteriorating condition and knowing he was in pain. I have cared for him for many years. I feel less pain in his passing than I did in his lingering. JB, I had no idea. I'm very sorry for your loss. I am sure it is a relief that he is no longer in pain. I know you were caring for him when I first met you and all this time. I always thought that was a wonderful thing you were doing. You are a good daughter. |
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Thank you. We had a full military service at his grave site with mostly family. It was nice. They played taps and presented Mom with a flag. Now I am turning my energy towards my art. I am teaching a portrait class starting March 15. I am also working on paintings for a show in October.
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hmm, I wonder if resistance is causing my pain in my back. Had I resisted weight lifting; I probably wouldn't be in pain right now. However on the flip side; I would be fatter than I am now. Can't win for losing.
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