Topic: Going too far?
msharmony's photo
Thu 02/23/12 12:50 PM



You know what the irony is,if they make it illegal you'll actually see this in real life,only a clothes hanger will be stuck in it.



why?
because more women will be doing the abortion attempts themselves,atleast with it being legal they can have it done in a clean and somewhat safe enviroment.Look i'm not a 100% supporter of abortion,there has to be circumstances why the woman is getting one,but technically if iam or not she can do it anyways cause it's her body.Making it illegal will just make higher rates of dumpster babies and bacterial infections that could kill her and the zygote anyways.What really is making it illegal gonna serve.Is it gonna stop a woman from doing it?It's legal now and women still try to go blackmarket or do it themselves.



I have more faith than that in women,, and I still believe it would have no bearing on how often I would personally have to 'see' such an image,,,

willing2's photo
Thu 02/23/12 12:50 PM
If oBorme can spew bs and lies all over children, I don't see where showing what the reality of an aborted child looks like would be such a variant from the oBomination

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/23/12 12:53 PM
wow,, are you running a marathon? because that was quite a STRETCH,,,,laugh laugh laugh

no photo
Thu 02/23/12 01:02 PM
I have a feeling if this had been the other way around and it had been a liberal walking around, showing children pictures of something the conservatives didn't think were appropriate, those conservatives would be throwing a fit.

RKISIT's photo
Thu 02/23/12 01:04 PM




You know what the irony is,if they make it illegal you'll actually see this in real life,only a clothes hanger will be stuck in it.



why?
because more women will be doing the abortion attempts themselves,atleast with it being legal they can have it done in a clean and somewhat safe enviroment.Look i'm not a 100% supporter of abortion,there has to be circumstances why the woman is getting one,but technically if iam or not she can do it anyways cause it's her body.Making it illegal will just make higher rates of dumpster babies and bacterial infections that could kill her and the zygote anyways.What really is making it illegal gonna serve.Is it gonna stop a woman from doing it?It's legal now and women still try to go blackmarket or do it themselves.



I have more faith than that in women,, and I still believe it would have no bearing on how often I would personally have to 'see' such an image,,,
It's not about faith it's reality,it happens you'll just see more of it cause if it's illegal women who choose to have one will do it themselves.Odds are you never know who you'll walk in on doing it.Just sayin

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/23/12 01:06 PM

I have a feeling if this had been the other way around and it had been a liberal walking around, showing children pictures of something the conservatives didn't think were appropriate, those conservatives would be throwing a fit.



you have a point,,,not sure where I fall on the conserv-lib line, but there are many things I dont wish others to expose my kids too,,,however honest or factual they may be


I am pro life, but I think such a display is irresponsible in a place where children frequent,,,

willing2's photo
Thu 02/23/12 01:07 PM
It didn't and wasn't.
We all know what happens when assumptions are made, right? Lol!:wink: smokin

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/23/12 01:08 PM





You know what the irony is,if they make it illegal you'll actually see this in real life,only a clothes hanger will be stuck in it.



why?
because more women will be doing the abortion attempts themselves,atleast with it being legal they can have it done in a clean and somewhat safe enviroment.Look i'm not a 100% supporter of abortion,there has to be circumstances why the woman is getting one,but technically if iam or not she can do it anyways cause it's her body.Making it illegal will just make higher rates of dumpster babies and bacterial infections that could kill her and the zygote anyways.What really is making it illegal gonna serve.Is it gonna stop a woman from doing it?It's legal now and women still try to go blackmarket or do it themselves.



I have more faith than that in women,, and I still believe it would have no bearing on how often I would personally have to 'see' such an image,,,
It's not about faith it's reality,it happens you'll just see more of it cause if it's illegal women who choose to have one will do it themselves.Odds are you never know who you'll walk in on doing it.Just sayin



I dont believe its 'reality' at all. I believe some women may resort to such extremes, but I think most are either better educated or just plain not willing to risk such an experiment on their own body


its just as likely that more women will be more cautious BEFORE they get pregenant so they wont be at that point in the first place,,,,

but there is no way to measure which 'reality' is more likely,,,,

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/23/12 01:09 PM

It didn't and wasn't.
We all know what happens when assumptions are made, right? Lol!:wink: smokin




the 'it' in this post isnt clear,,, can you be more specific?

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 02/23/12 01:11 PM




I am pro life, but I think such a display is irresponsible in a place where children frequent




I agree with you on this one

Bravalady's photo
Thu 02/23/12 09:31 PM






You know what the irony is,if they make it illegal you'll actually see this in real life,only a clothes hanger will be stuck in it.



why?
because more women will be doing the abortion attempts themselves,atleast with it being legal they can have it done in a clean and somewhat safe enviroment.Look i'm not a 100% supporter of abortion,there has to be circumstances why the woman is getting one,but technically if iam or not she can do it anyways cause it's her body.Making it illegal will just make higher rates of dumpster babies and bacterial infections that could kill her and the zygote anyways.What really is making it illegal gonna serve.Is it gonna stop a woman from doing it?It's legal now and women still try to go blackmarket or do it themselves.



I have more faith than that in women,, and I still believe it would have no bearing on how often I would personally have to 'see' such an image,,,
It's not about faith it's reality,it happens you'll just see more of it cause if it's illegal women who choose to have one will do it themselves.Odds are you never know who you'll walk in on doing it.Just sayin



I dont believe its 'reality' at all. I believe some women may resort to such extremes, but I think most are either better educated or just plain not willing to risk such an experiment on their own body


its just as likely that more women will be more cautious BEFORE they get pregenant so they wont be at that point in the first place,,,,

but there is no way to measure which 'reality' is more likely,,,,


I think you're fooling yourself.

I'm old enough to remember when Roe v. Wade was decided, and the photos shown around at that time were of women who had died from botched abortions. Some of them were the coathanger type, some were from quacks the women had resorted to in despair. Making all abortions illegal again will bring back this kind of butchery. It has nothing to do with educational level or "risking an experiment." There will always be a certain percentage of women who feel absolutely incapable of going through with a pregnancy. It's exactly the same kind of thinking as saying that refusing sex education will keep teenagers from having sex. Nothing will stop people from being human and making mistakes that they can't come back from. And no, this doesn't mean I'm "in favor of abortions." I just think we have to be realistic.

Ladylid2012's photo
Thu 02/23/12 10:04 PM
@Bravalady

The idea that abortion must stay legal to avoid the back alley butchers and coat hangers is not an effective argument. Some who strongly oppose abortion feel the women who resort to back alley butchers and coat hangers deserve what they get.

Not my thoughts, not by a long shot. I don't understand that thinking. Just that the discussion has come up numerous times here.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/23/12 11:08 PM







You know what the irony is,if they make it illegal you'll actually see this in real life,only a clothes hanger will be stuck in it.



why?
because more women will be doing the abortion attempts themselves,atleast with it being legal they can have it done in a clean and somewhat safe enviroment.Look i'm not a 100% supporter of abortion,there has to be circumstances why the woman is getting one,but technically if iam or not she can do it anyways cause it's her body.Making it illegal will just make higher rates of dumpster babies and bacterial infections that could kill her and the zygote anyways.What really is making it illegal gonna serve.Is it gonna stop a woman from doing it?It's legal now and women still try to go blackmarket or do it themselves.





I have more faith than that in women,, and I still believe it would have no bearing on how often I would personally have to 'see' such an image,,,
It's not about faith it's reality,it happens you'll just see more of it cause if it's illegal women who choose to have one will do it themselves.Odds are you never know who you'll walk in on doing it.Just sayin



I dont believe its 'reality' at all. I believe some women may resort to such extremes, but I think most are either better educated or just plain not willing to risk such an experiment on their own body


its just as likely that more women will be more cautious BEFORE they get pregenant so they wont be at that point in the first place,,,,

but there is no way to measure which 'reality' is more likely,,,,


I think you're fooling yourself.

I'm old enough to remember when Roe v. Wade was decided, and the photos shown around at that time were of women who had died from botched abortions. Some of them were the coathanger type, some were from quacks the women had resorted to in despair. Making all abortions illegal again will bring back this kind of butchery. It has nothing to do with educational level or "risking an experiment." There will always be a certain percentage of women who feel absolutely incapable of going through with a pregnancy. It's exactly the same kind of thinking as saying that refusing sex education will keep teenagers from having sex. Nothing will stop people from being human and making mistakes that they can't come back from. And no, this doesn't mean I'm "in favor of abortions." I just think we have to be realistic.


Im not speaking about making abortion illegal, Im speaking only of certain prerequisites to abortion

as to the reality of botched abortion, I do think education makes a HUGE difference,,,I think during roe vs wade period it was still stigmatized to have pre marital sex, or be pregnant outside of marriage,, all contributing to the pressure to not have a baby,,

these stigmas no longer exist, so those times are not quite as relevant to modern times

I see no reason to believe women will be any more likely to day to perform a botched abortion than they will be to use better precautions before they become pregnant

RKISIT's photo
Sat 02/25/12 07:14 AM

@Bravalady

The idea that abortion must stay legal to avoid the back alley butchers and coat hangers is not an effective argument. Some who strongly oppose abortion feel the women who resort to back alley butchers and coat hangers deserve what they get.

Not my thoughts, not by a long shot. I don't understand that thinking. Just that the discussion has come up numerous times here.

So then make it illegal so the woman has only 2 choices,give birth or do it herself?What about rape victims?Let me guess thats Gods will or the little games he plays?Theres the morning after pill but it isn't always effective.For the prolifers who think they deserve what they get well that goes to show their hypocrisy.Man all this complaining about how the government controls what we eat and blah,blah blah...and now they can tell a woman what she can do with her body when it comes to pregnancy.Meh....all i can say is just because something becomes illegal doesn't mean it's gonna stop.

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/25/12 11:57 AM


@Bravalady

The idea that abortion must stay legal to avoid the back alley butchers and coat hangers is not an effective argument. Some who strongly oppose abortion feel the women who resort to back alley butchers and coat hangers deserve what they get.

Not my thoughts, not by a long shot. I don't understand that thinking. Just that the discussion has come up numerous times here.

So then make it illegal so the woman has only 2 choices,give birth or do it herself?What about rape victims?Let me guess thats Gods will or the little games he plays?Theres the morning after pill but it isn't always effective.For the prolifers who think they deserve what they get well that goes to show their hypocrisy.Man all this complaining about how the government controls what we eat and blah,blah blah...and now they can tell a woman what she can do with her body when it comes to pregnancy.Meh....all i can say is just because something becomes illegal doesn't mean it's gonna stop.



wow, Im surprised you missed the third choice

DONT GET PREGNANT,, believe it or not,, it is usually a choice , with contraceptives and condoms and surgeries and all,,,,,


nothing illegal has stopped, I dont think laws stop humans from acting out on human lusts and desires,,

laws just deter some of those lusts and desires with consequences

no photo
Sat 02/25/12 12:20 PM
Do you think people only get pregnant when they're trying to get pregnant?

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/25/12 12:21 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 02/25/12 12:22 PM

Do you think people only get pregnant when they're trying to get pregnant?


I think they get pregnant mostly when they arent taking the correct precautions to NOT get pregnant,,,,


just like most people arent tRYING to get fat when they dont treat their bodies in the correct way,, but most people who take timee to MAKE SURE They treat their bodies correctly do not get fat,,,

and Im sure some people try to suck out their own fat in weird ways, but that doesnt mean those going through surgeries shouldnt be receiving the correct information about risks and expectations,,,

AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 02/25/12 12:41 PM

Do you think people only get pregnant when they're trying to get pregnant?

Self control.

If one 'humps' not...

pregnant happens not.




no photo
Sat 02/25/12 12:46 PM


Do you think people only get pregnant when they're trying to get pregnant?

Self control.

If one 'humps' not...

pregnant happens not.






So, people should not have sex unless they want to have a baby?

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/25/12 12:46 PM


Do you think people only get pregnant when they're trying to get pregnant?

Self control.

If one 'humps' not...

pregnant happens not.








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