Luke 4:12
12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God

Shows that Jesus is our God.
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Matthew 27:45-46
45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Shows Jesus' father is his God.

But that does not mean there are two Gods.

Again "God" is purely for showing authority over another, it is not some mystical, magical, fantasy. That is why Jesus is our God, for he is our lord, he is the one that will judge us, he is the one that created us, he is the one in charge of us. Jesus referred to his father as "God" because his father is the authority over him. So with the Father have authority over the son and or the father being the God of the son, that would mean the father is our God as well. We get to the father through Jesus Christ. We worship the father through Jesus Christ. We worship one God, one authority.

They may be two different "persons" but they are one God, they are one authority over us. EG., "The father and I are one".

Well for starters, nothing in what you quoted was anything I posted. And why would one species change into another through time? This does not ever happen. If it did, the entire species would adapt into the other, not just parts of it. As in if we did evolve from primates or whatever, why did they not all evolve? Why did only some or part? Doesn't make sense for only some to have.

I separated the quote from my question to you.

Its ok, I just need to understand your working definition of what a species means?

For me to understand what you mean by, "one species can never become another," requires understanding what you mean by species.

One example which may shed some light on your questions, a "Cat" is a separate species then a "dog". A cat would never evolve into or from a dog. They are two separate species.

Man did not evolve from say apes or some form of primate. Our physical bodies may have been similar to primates for survival eg., more body hair, thicker bone structure, more body fat, more muscle mass, ect. But that does not mean we were a different species, we had the same DNA make up then as we do now.

You gave examples, but provided no working definition.

You are making an assertion about something you have not defined.

...how is it possible that one person can...

In one sentence; take each word precisely as they are defined.

..yet in that same sentence..

Blatantly ignore others.

Meh.

Oh well.

Species from the biology online site -
(1) The lowest taxonomic rank, and the most basic unit or category of biological classification.

(2) An individual belonging to a group of organisms (or the entire group itself) having common characteristics and (usually) are capable of mating with one another.

Please elaborate on what you just said.

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The first part just explains how we categorize species, however the second part works as a definition.

So from this we have two main criteria of a species.

1) common characteristics
2) ability to mate.

Extreme example incoming.

So if you had two groups of a single species. You take one group and move them to the moon, you take the other group and move then to mars.

10,000 years go by.

Group 1 changes
Group 2 changes

Both sets of changes are specific to the environments that the groups are adapting to, ie the changes in group 1 are different than group 2's changes.

Lets represent these changes as X's and Y's

At the start both groups characteristics are represented 10X's


Group 1 XXXXXXXXXX
Group 2 XXXXXXXXXX

Before the move group 1 and group 2 can mate and produce offspring.


After 10,000 years of adaptation the following is the characteristics of the two groups.

Group 1 XXYXXXXYXX
Group 2 YXXXYXXXXY

Now you can clearly see that the two groups are different, well lets say that none of the changes currently prevent these two groups from breeding. ie the sexual reproduction traits are the ones they still share in common.

If at this time we brought these two groups back together and they freely mate and reproduce, well then the traits would be mingled between the groups homogenizing the traits.

Now if you do not bring these two groups back together and they NEVER again breed then eventually the changes would add up to the point that they could no longer mate and produce offspring.

100,000 years later

Group 1 YYYXXXYYYX
Group 2 XXYXYXYXYX

Once that occurs it becomes impossible in any traditional sense for them to share genes. ie the traits that represent reproduction are now so different that if they can breed they would create a sterile offspring or no offspring, or offspring with so many mutations it has 0 survival ability.

This is called Genetic Divergence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_divergence

How it occurs in nature is called Reproduction Isolation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_isolation

Cowboy wrote:




Cowboy, are you saying that you FINALLY UNDERSTAND

NOW ,that God The Father , God the Son ,and God the Holy Spirit

(The 3 Persons of the Godhead) are ONLY ONE ENTITY?

Or in other words,ONE SUPREME BEING?


Because in the past ,you have ALWAYS stated that you did NOT

believe That the The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit are ONLY ONE

ENTITY ...or ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING..

So...Which is it that you believe now....

We worship one supreme being. God the father through Jesus Christ, for Jesus is the path to the father. No one comes to the father but THROUGH him.

God is a God of Variety.

Hence the many sub-species WITHIN EACH Species.


WITHIN EACH SPECIES , there can be many many sub-

species...that also adapt to changes that take place WITHIN the

species, in order to adapt to ones Environement.


But once more ,One major Species will never and cannot ever

evolve into an entirely whole OTHER Species.



Nor can One species ever reproduce with a whole OTHER species.

But this isn't even evolution. Evolution is a large range of adaptations. What you stated is neither adaptation nor evolution. Would only end up with mutated offspring.

So ...are you now saying that you DO believe The

Father, Son ,and Holy Spirit is ONLY ONE ENTITY ...or ONE SUPREME BEING?? ?



yes or no...

They are one God yes. But still not one "entity". For again if they were one "entity" Jesus wouldn't have been able to pray to the father or even speak to his father. And if he spoke of his father in third person form, he would be lying.

Evolution is defined as reproduction with variation. The mechanism involved detail the theory of evolution.

Your misunderstanding is that you clearly think evolution is only the extreme examples, but its not only those examples but every single reproductive change with variation that occurs.

Once enough change occurs between two groups they become difference species.

These are the facts of evolution. If you want to argue against evolution you need to know what it actually is first.

This does seem to be a problem when one has learned about evolution from creationist websites and articles.

For myself I had learned the arguments against evolution long before I actually learned about evolution theory itself. I remember hearing about the changes needed for the woodpecker to be successful and being amazed and appalled and immediately skeptical of evolution, but what I actually knew of evolution was only the straw man arguments used against it.

..it's a rather insightful overview.

He used '10x's' to represent adaptation. If he used the actual number of possibilities...

...you wouldn't have read it.

Exactly correct, and thank you!


Lets recap, if we accept that variation occurs, and that to be a species requires nearly identical traits, and the ability to breed, then it seems to follow naturally we have to accept that one species can diverge into two, dependent on conditions which prevent interbreeding of the two groups.

One we accept this, it becomes much easier to then see how evolution accounts for the diversity of life we see around us.