Topic: TEEN MOM CALLS 9-1-1 FOR PERMISSION TO SHOOT INTRUDERS BEFOR
Kleisto's photo
Fri 01/06/12 05:54 PM








Im not saying the law doesnt allow it, many innocent people go to jail and many go for being accomplices to crimes,,etc,,,




They're not innocent. The law recognizes the fact that when you CHOOSE to commit a felony you must bear the responsibility for anything that happens during that felony. Even if you didn't mean for it to happen.

I understand that you don't agree with it. And, I'm not going to argue about it. You asked how it was possible to be charged with murder in this case and I told you.


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msharmony.... HE IS NOT INNOCENT. DUH. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.




he is innocent of taking a life

and he is innocent of CAUSING a life to be taken as he had no control over what the other person CHOSE to do which lead to their death,,,


Does the phrase guilt by association mean anything to you?

He was associated with a situation that led to the death of his friend. I don't feel sorry for him at all.




if you have read ANY of my postings over the years, you would know I absolutely dont agree with the 'by association' mindset....

you have either done it or you havent, I Dont believe people should be accountable for what someone else did,,,


Yet.......with other things you have no problems with it. Make up your mind, can't have it both ways.

And either way, you put yourself in a dangerous situation, you own the consequences.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/12 05:57 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/06/12 05:57 PM









Im not saying the law doesnt allow it, many innocent people go to jail and many go for being accomplices to crimes,,etc,,,




They're not innocent. The law recognizes the fact that when you CHOOSE to commit a felony you must bear the responsibility for anything that happens during that felony. Even if you didn't mean for it to happen.

I understand that you don't agree with it. And, I'm not going to argue about it. You asked how it was possible to be charged with murder in this case and I told you.


laugh laugh laugh RIGHT

msharmony.... HE IS NOT INNOCENT. DUH. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.




he is innocent of taking a life

and he is innocent of CAUSING a life to be taken as he had no control over what the other person CHOSE to do which lead to their death,,,


Does the phrase guilt by association mean anything to you?

He was associated with a situation that led to the death of his friend. I don't feel sorry for him at all.




if you have read ANY of my postings over the years, you would know I absolutely dont agree with the 'by association' mindset....

you have either done it or you havent, I Dont believe people should be accountable for what someone else did,,,


Yet.......with other things you have no problems with it. Make up your mind, can't have it both ways.

And either way, you put yourself in a dangerous situation, you own the consequences.



in what other things do I support 'guilt by association'?


I agree, you own consequences to YOURSELF when you are in a dangerous situation,,,not what happens to SOMEONE with you because of THEIR choices,,


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Fri 01/06/12 06:06 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 01/06/12 06:09 PM
Sounds to me like the accomplice had plenty of time to say "WTF?" and leave....which he apparently did not until after the shooting.

You just drive the getaway car at a robbery where someone is injured or killed....same diff

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:07 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/06/12 06:09 PM


Sounds to me like the accomplice had plenty of time to say "WTF?" and leave....which he apparently did not until after the shooting.



I didnt read any details one way or the other, accept about the one who got shot,,,


I can imagine the possibility that he either didnt realize it until it was too late, or its possible he went along out of fear of the guy with the knife,,,,

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Fri 01/06/12 06:09 PM

TEEN MOM CALLS 9-1-1 FOR PERMISSION TO SHOOT INTRUDERS BEFORE KILLING ONE USING 12-GAUGE SHOTGUN


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mom-calls-9-1-1-asking-for-permission-to-shoot-intruders-before-killing-one-using-12-ga-shotgun/


Eighteen-year-old Sarah McKinley and her 3-month-old son were unharmed when two intruders tried to break into their home outside of Oklahoma City on New Year’s Eve. Her husband had died from lung cancer on Christmas Day, and when she realized intruders were attempting to break into her home she had nothing to do but grab her 12-gauge shotgun and pistol, and call 911.

She spoke with the operator for 21 minutes, making sure she had the right to shoot if the men forced their way in.

“I can’t tell you that you can do that, but you do what you have to do to protect your baby,” the dispatcher told her as she held the infant with a bottle, according to KOCO.

She ultimately pulled the trigger.


One of the men, 24-year-old Justin Martin, McKinley is believed to have been stalking her since her husband’s death. ABC news reports that McKinley barricaded herself in her bedroom with the baby and guns. When Martin kicked down the bedroom door, McKinley’s maternal instincts kicked in:

“When Martin kicked in the door and came after her with the knife, the teen mom shot and killed the 24-year-old. Police are calling the shooting justified.

‘You’re allowed to shoot an unauthorized person that is in your home. The law provides you the remedy, and sanctions the use of deadly force; Det. Dan Huff of the Blanchard police said.”

Martin died and the second suspect, Dustin Stewart, currently sits in jail. Investigators are searching Martin’s car for evidence that the home invasion was premeditated, KFOR-TV reported.

“I wouldn’t have done it, but it was my son,” McKinley told KOCO. “It’s not an easy decision to make, but it was either going to be him or my son. And it wasn’t going to be my son. There’s nothing more dangerous than a woman with a child.”
Amen.


As a mother..yea i would do WHATEVER to protect my sons.
As a mother i do feel for the mother of this obviously
****ed up young man, who is dead.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:10 PM










Im not saying the law doesnt allow it, many innocent people go to jail and many go for being accomplices to crimes,,etc,,,




They're not innocent. The law recognizes the fact that when you CHOOSE to commit a felony you must bear the responsibility for anything that happens during that felony. Even if you didn't mean for it to happen.

I understand that you don't agree with it. And, I'm not going to argue about it. You asked how it was possible to be charged with murder in this case and I told you.


laugh laugh laugh RIGHT

msharmony.... HE IS NOT INNOCENT. DUH. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.




he is innocent of taking a life

and he is innocent of CAUSING a life to be taken as he had no control over what the other person CHOSE to do which lead to their death,,,


Does the phrase guilt by association mean anything to you?

He was associated with a situation that led to the death of his friend. I don't feel sorry for him at all.




if you have read ANY of my postings over the years, you would know I absolutely dont agree with the 'by association' mindset....

you have either done it or you havent, I Dont believe people should be accountable for what someone else did,,,


Yet.......with other things you have no problems with it. Make up your mind, can't have it both ways.

And either way, you put yourself in a dangerous situation, you own the consequences.



in what other things do I support 'guilt by association'?


I agree, you own consequences to YOURSELF when you are in a dangerous situation,,,not what happens to SOMEONE with you because of THEIR choices,,




Hmm let's see.......original sin.......supporting the idea that because of what ONE person does to others, everyone else has to sacrifice some of their rights because of it........need I go on?

They were BOTH looking for the same thing, no sympathy from me.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:11 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 01/06/12 06:13 PM
Adults have choices...he made his....the wrong one!

That's what courts used to be for....before the NDAA our fearless leader signed as a new years gift to us! :angry:

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:13 PM











Im not saying the law doesnt allow it, many innocent people go to jail and many go for being accomplices to crimes,,etc,,,




They're not innocent. The law recognizes the fact that when you CHOOSE to commit a felony you must bear the responsibility for anything that happens during that felony. Even if you didn't mean for it to happen.

I understand that you don't agree with it. And, I'm not going to argue about it. You asked how it was possible to be charged with murder in this case and I told you.


laugh laugh laugh RIGHT

msharmony.... HE IS NOT INNOCENT. DUH. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.




he is innocent of taking a life

and he is innocent of CAUSING a life to be taken as he had no control over what the other person CHOSE to do which lead to their death,,,


Does the phrase guilt by association mean anything to you?

He was associated with a situation that led to the death of his friend. I don't feel sorry for him at all.




if you have read ANY of my postings over the years, you would know I absolutely dont agree with the 'by association' mindset....

you have either done it or you havent, I Dont believe people should be accountable for what someone else did,,,


Yet.......with other things you have no problems with it. Make up your mind, can't have it both ways.

And either way, you put yourself in a dangerous situation, you own the consequences.



in what other things do I support 'guilt by association'?


I agree, you own consequences to YOURSELF when you are in a dangerous situation,,,not what happens to SOMEONE with you because of THEIR choices,,




Hmm let's see.......original sin.......supporting the idea that because of what ONE person does to others, everyone else has to sacrifice some of their rights because of it........need I go on?

They were BOTH looking for the same thing, no sympathy from me.



I dont know what they 'both' were looking for. The article mentioned only of ONE having a weapon or breaking in a door.


what was the responsibility and consequence of the first TWO, is another story from what our responsibilities are as a world full of people

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:13 PM


Adults have choices...he made his....the wrong one!



I do too. No debate the choice was wrong. The debate is whether making him equal to a 'murderer' is the logical answer.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:13 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 01/06/12 06:14 PM












Im not saying the law doesnt allow it, many innocent people go to jail and many go for being accomplices to crimes,,etc,,,




They're not innocent. The law recognizes the fact that when you CHOOSE to commit a felony you must bear the responsibility for anything that happens during that felony. Even if you didn't mean for it to happen.

I understand that you don't agree with it. And, I'm not going to argue about it. You asked how it was possible to be charged with murder in this case and I told you.


laugh laugh laugh RIGHT

msharmony.... HE IS NOT INNOCENT. DUH. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.




he is innocent of taking a life

and he is innocent of CAUSING a life to be taken as he had no control over what the other person CHOSE to do which lead to their death,,,


Does the phrase guilt by association mean anything to you?

He was associated with a situation that led to the death of his friend. I don't feel sorry for him at all.




if you have read ANY of my postings over the years, you would know I absolutely dont agree with the 'by association' mindset....

you have either done it or you havent, I Dont believe people should be accountable for what someone else did,,,


Yet.......with other things you have no problems with it. Make up your mind, can't have it both ways.

And either way, you put yourself in a dangerous situation, you own the consequences.



in what other things do I support 'guilt by association'?


I agree, you own consequences to YOURSELF when you are in a dangerous situation,,,not what happens to SOMEONE with you because of THEIR choices,,




Hmm let's see.......original sin.......supporting the idea that because of what ONE person does to others, everyone else has to sacrifice some of their rights because of it........need I go on?

They were BOTH looking for the same thing, no sympathy from me.



I dont know what they 'both' were looking for. The article mentioned only of ONE having a weapon or breaking in a door.


what was the responsibility and consequence of the first TWO, is another story from what our responsibilities are as a world full of people



Twist it how you want but the idea remains the same, as other people are held in effect accountable for the mistakes of another person. To support that and yet say you're against holding others accountable for something they didn't do is hypocritical.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:15 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/06/12 06:16 PM













Im not saying the law doesnt allow it, many innocent people go to jail and many go for being accomplices to crimes,,etc,,,




They're not innocent. The law recognizes the fact that when you CHOOSE to commit a felony you must bear the responsibility for anything that happens during that felony. Even if you didn't mean for it to happen.

I understand that you don't agree with it. And, I'm not going to argue about it. You asked how it was possible to be charged with murder in this case and I told you.


laugh laugh laugh RIGHT

msharmony.... HE IS NOT INNOCENT. DUH. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.




he is innocent of taking a life

and he is innocent of CAUSING a life to be taken as he had no control over what the other person CHOSE to do which lead to their death,,,


Does the phrase guilt by association mean anything to you?

He was associated with a situation that led to the death of his friend. I don't feel sorry for him at all.




if you have read ANY of my postings over the years, you would know I absolutely dont agree with the 'by association' mindset....

you have either done it or you havent, I Dont believe people should be accountable for what someone else did,,,


Yet.......with other things you have no problems with it. Make up your mind, can't have it both ways.

And either way, you put yourself in a dangerous situation, you own the consequences.



in what other things do I support 'guilt by association'?


I agree, you own consequences to YOURSELF when you are in a dangerous situation,,,not what happens to SOMEONE with you because of THEIR choices,,




Hmm let's see.......original sin.......supporting the idea that because of what ONE person does to others, everyone else has to sacrifice some of their rights because of it........need I go on?

They were BOTH looking for the same thing, no sympathy from me.



I dont know what they 'both' were looking for. The article mentioned only of ONE having a weapon or breaking in a door.


what was the responsibility and consequence of the first TWO, is another story from what our responsibilities are as a world full of people



Twist it how you want but the idea remains the same.



not really, the same idea would be if the tree was cursed for being there when original sin took place


there is a real consquence that befalls our children because of OUR choices, the first two parents passed on the consequence of their action


adults shouldnt pass on consequence of their action to other adults, and I dont either,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:15 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 01/06/12 06:16 PM
That's what courts used to be for....before the NDAA our fearless leader signed as a new years gift to us!

He can now be called a terrorist!

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:17 PM

That's what courts used to be for....before the NDAA our fearless leader signed as a new years gift to us!

He can now be called a terrorist!



I doubt it....

Kleisto's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:19 PM














Im not saying the law doesnt allow it, many innocent people go to jail and many go for being accomplices to crimes,,etc,,,




They're not innocent. The law recognizes the fact that when you CHOOSE to commit a felony you must bear the responsibility for anything that happens during that felony. Even if you didn't mean for it to happen.

I understand that you don't agree with it. And, I'm not going to argue about it. You asked how it was possible to be charged with murder in this case and I told you.


laugh laugh laugh RIGHT

msharmony.... HE IS NOT INNOCENT. DUH. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.




he is innocent of taking a life

and he is innocent of CAUSING a life to be taken as he had no control over what the other person CHOSE to do which lead to their death,,,


Does the phrase guilt by association mean anything to you?

He was associated with a situation that led to the death of his friend. I don't feel sorry for him at all.




if you have read ANY of my postings over the years, you would know I absolutely dont agree with the 'by association' mindset....

you have either done it or you havent, I Dont believe people should be accountable for what someone else did,,,


Yet.......with other things you have no problems with it. Make up your mind, can't have it both ways.

And either way, you put yourself in a dangerous situation, you own the consequences.



in what other things do I support 'guilt by association'?


I agree, you own consequences to YOURSELF when you are in a dangerous situation,,,not what happens to SOMEONE with you because of THEIR choices,,




Hmm let's see.......original sin.......supporting the idea that because of what ONE person does to others, everyone else has to sacrifice some of their rights because of it........need I go on?

They were BOTH looking for the same thing, no sympathy from me.



I dont know what they 'both' were looking for. The article mentioned only of ONE having a weapon or breaking in a door.


what was the responsibility and consequence of the first TWO, is another story from what our responsibilities are as a world full of people



Twist it how you want but the idea remains the same.



not really, the same idea would be if the tree was cursed for being there when original sin took place


there is a real consquence that befalls our children because of OUR choices, the first two parents passed on the consequence of their action


How is it the LEAST bit fair that a child can be born a sinner? Sorry that doesn't pass the smell test now, or ever I don't care how you wanna justify it. It will always be the same idea to me as this no matter what anyone says.

Oh and adults do pass on consequences with this war on terror so that argument fails too.

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Fri 01/06/12 06:19 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 01/06/12 06:22 PM
Don't doubt it...enough bleeding hearts appeal to the right source....instant terrorist!

That's what the NDAA is!

They need an example set..... perfect agenda!

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:27 PM

Don't doubt it...enough bleeding hearts appeal to the right source....instant terrorist!

That's what the NDAA is!

They need an example set..... perfect agenda!



NDAA does not replace or supercede US LAW which defines terrorism as

(From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)

(d) Definitions
As used in this section—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism


unless they can stretch a stalker/assault situation into a 'politically motivated violence'

I doubt anyone will be considered a terrorist in this situaiton

Kleisto's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:28 PM


Don't doubt it...enough bleeding hearts appeal to the right source....instant terrorist!

That's what the NDAA is!

They need an example set..... perfect agenda!



NDAA does not replace or supercede US LAW which defines terrorism as

(From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)

(d) Definitions
As used in this section—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism


unless they can stretch a stalker/assault situation into a 'politically motivated violence'

I doubt anyone will be considered a terrorist in this situaiton


Knowing them.......they will. You underestimate them, big mistake.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:29 PM

Why pass a law if you don't intend to use it?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 01/06/12 06:32 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 01/06/12 06:37 PM

(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;


She is service connected by marriage...he was an accomplice in stalking and attacking her..... they can spin that one easy!

Not saying they will....but possible under NDAA guidelines

Under NDAA, they only have to "think you might commit" such a crime

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Fri 01/06/12 06:37 PM
I applaud the gal for getting up the guts to blow the armed stalker who broke into her house away.

I am sure grateful to be like her instead of posters who would rather see her and possibly her kid dead.

I see posts stating he was just an innocent life and I see, rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl slaphead smokin