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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 12/15/11 04:37 AM
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MSM version of bill.....
White House drops veto threat on defense bill Reposted from: http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/14/politics/congress-defense-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 December 14, 2011 @ 6:18 pm The White House lifted a veto threat against a giant $662 billion defense authorization bill on Wednesday after legislators made changes in language involving detainees. In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States. THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE AND PROMOTION OF IT! Watch the Young Turks video: http://current.com/shows/the-young-turks/videos/cenk-we-were-supposed-to-get-change-not-defense-authorization-act-stripping-civil-liberties Congress can't pass a single bill to create jobs, balance the budget or reduce spending.... but take away our constitutional rights and they push it thru like a hot potatoe!     
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Agreed, but is it even Congresses duty to create jobs.....Maybe going back to hunting and farming for ourselves remains our only recourse to release government from our lives.
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 12/15/11 07:34 AM
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Agreed, but is it even Congresses duty to create jobs.....Maybe going back to hunting and farming for ourselves remains our only recourse to release government from our lives. Congress has the power over regulation and law. They set the standards/rules that business must operate under, and are supposed to regulate them for the good of the people. THEY DON'T, or won't, thanks in large part to the large corporate monopolies who have wrested control of our gov't. No "mom and pops" left... they can't afford the regulations they impose, while big corps can pay $1m fine while making $1B in profits by ignoring them. The only thing gov't NOW "creates" is debt, and the loss of personal liberty! |
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Agreed, but is it even Congresses duty to create jobs.....Maybe going back to hunting and farming for ourselves remains our only recourse to release government from our lives. Congress has the power over regulation and law. They set the standards/rules that business must operate under, and are supposed to regulate them for the good of the people. THEY DON'T, or won't, thanks in large part to the large corporate monopolies who have wrested control of our gov't. No "mom and pops" left... they can't afford the regulations they impose, while big corps can pay $1m fine while making $1B in profits by ignoring them. The only thing gov't can "create" is debt, and the loss of personal liberty! And if we quit purchasing...where do their profits come from to pay $1m....we should form communities of self-sufficiency without purchasing hunting and farming only..... |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 12/15/11 07:50 AM
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Agreed, but is it even Congresses duty to create jobs.....Maybe going back to hunting and farming for ourselves remains our only recourse to release government from our lives. Congress has the power over regulation and law. They set the standards/rules that business must operate under, and are supposed to regulate them for the good of the people. THEY DON'T, or won't, thanks in large part to the large corporate monopolies who have wrested control of our gov't. No "mom and pops" left... they can't afford the regulations they impose, while big corps can pay $1m fine while making $1B in profits by ignoring them. The only thing gov't can "create" is debt, and the loss of personal liberty! And if we quit purchasing...where do their profits come from to pay $1m....we should form communities of self-sufficiency without purchasing hunting and farming only..... Farming and hunting is also so heavily regulated many aren't "allowed" to even grow gardens anymore.... research it.... RP has a video about their regulation even on "whole milk" and buying direct from farmers. http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-10-07/ron-paul-on-raw-milk-pasteurization-without-representation/ |
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Agreed, but is it even Congresses duty to create jobs.....Maybe going back to hunting and farming for ourselves remains our only recourse to release government from our lives. Congress has the power over regulation and law. They set the standards/rules that business must operate under, and are supposed to regulate them for the good of the people. THEY DON'T, or won't, thanks in large part to the large corporate monopolies who have wrested control of our gov't. No "mom and pops" left... they can't afford the regulations they impose, while big corps can pay $1m fine while making $1B in profits by ignoring them. The only thing gov't can "create" is debt, and the loss of personal liberty! And if we quit purchasing...where do their profits come from to pay $1m....we should form communities of self-sufficiency without purchasing hunting and farming only..... Farming and hunting is also so heavily regulated many aren't "allowed" to even grow gardens anymore.... research it.... RP has a video about their regulation even on "whole milk" and buying direct from farmers. http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-10-07/ron-paul-on-raw-milk-pasteurization-without-representation/ I grow my own garden and will continue to do so |
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Agreed, but is it even Congresses duty to create jobs.....Maybe going back to hunting and farming for ourselves remains our only recourse to release government from our lives. Congress has the power over regulation and law. They set the standards/rules that business must operate under, and are supposed to regulate them for the good of the people. THEY DON'T, or won't, thanks in large part to the large corporate monopolies who have wrested control of our gov't. No "mom and pops" left... they can't afford the regulations they impose, while big corps can pay $1m fine while making $1B in profits by ignoring them. The only thing gov't can "create" is debt, and the loss of personal liberty! And if we quit purchasing...where do their profits come from to pay $1m....we should form communities of self-sufficiency without purchasing hunting and farming only..... Farming and hunting is also so heavily regulated many aren't "allowed" to even grow gardens anymore.... research it.... RP has a video about their regulation even on "whole milk" and buying direct from farmers. http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-10-07/ron-paul-on-raw-milk-pasteurization-without-representation/ I grow my own garden and will continue to do so 
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Gov't wants to keep the welfare state in force. We're easier to control under gov't regulation without any freedoms of choice. |
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MSM version of bill.....
White House drops veto threat on defense bill Reposted from: http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/14/politics/congress-defense-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 December 14, 2011 @ 6:18 pm The White House lifted a veto threat against a giant $662 billion defense authorization bill on Wednesday after legislators made changes in language involving detainees. In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States. THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE AND PROMOTION OF IT! Watch the Young Turks video: http://current.com/shows/the-young-turks/videos/cenk-we-were-supposed-to-get-change-not-defense-authorization-act-stripping-civil-liberties Congress can't pass a single bill to create jobs, balance the budget or reduce spending.... but take away our constitutional rights and they push it thru like a hot potatoe!
I Agree. We as a country need to get back to fist principals and follow the constitution AS IT WAS WRITTEN & INTENDED. People should read The Federalist Papers to understand exactly what our founding fathers intended. They were not ambiguous. What is ambiguous about 'Congress shall pass no law......'? Nothing. It is not open to interpretation either. The Constitution is not a living document that needs to be changed with the times, its values are timeless... Those who would like to fundamentally change our country should just move to a country based on socialism. We are a representative republic democracy founded on christan/judeo values. Period. Again, do not take my word for it, read The Federalist Papers. |
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The House voted 283-136 to pass the 2012 defense authorization bill on Wednesday that contains controversial provisions requiring military detention for some terrorism suspects. The Obama administration, which had threatened to veto the massive $662 billion defense bill over the detainee provisions, announced it would support the bill.
The bill is expected to pass the Senate and head to President Obama's desk this week. The bill requires military custody for suspects linked to al-Qaida or its affiliates, even if they are captured in the U.S., with an exemption for American citizens and lawful resident aliens. House and Senate leaders made some changes during conference committee to assuage the administration's concerns, adding "assurances" it would not affect existing criminal enforcement and national security waivers of the FBI or any other domestic law enforcement agency. They also gave the president the authority to waive the military-detention provisions. E-MAIL THIS ARTICLE PRINTER-FRIENDLY VERSION COMMENT ON THIS STORY RELATED STORIES Final Defense bill contains key contractor provisions 12/14/11 Why Obama might veto defense bill: It would hurt the fight against terrorism 12/05/11 Senate-passed Defense bill would cap contractor pay 12/02/11 Obama threatens veto of defense authorization bill 11/17/11 The new "language does not challenge or constrain the president's ability to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists, and protect the American people," White House press secretary Jay Carney said. How is this a bad thing for American citizens? |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Thu 12/15/11 12:00 PM
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Agreed, but is it even Congresses duty to create jobs.....Maybe going back to hunting and farming for ourselves remains our only recourse to release government from our lives. Congress has the power over regulation and law. They set the standards/rules that business must operate under, and are supposed to regulate them for the good of the people. THEY DON'T, or won't, thanks in large part to the large corporate monopolies who have wrested control of our gov't. No "mom and pops" left... they can't afford the regulations they impose, while big corps can pay $1m fine while making $1B in profits by ignoring them. The only thing gov't can "create" is debt, and the loss of personal liberty! And if we quit purchasing...where do their profits come from to pay $1m....we should form communities of self-sufficiency without purchasing hunting and farming only..... Farming and hunting is also so heavily regulated many aren't "allowed" to even grow gardens anymore.... research it.... RP has a video about their regulation even on "whole milk" and buying direct from farmers. http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-10-07/ron-paul-on-raw-milk-pasteurization-without-representation/ http://mises.org/daily/5692/The-Freedom-to-Buy-and-Sell-Raw-Milk you may have broken Federal Law without even knowing the Law in question existed! http://blog.mises.org/17835/from-3-to-4500-what-laws-have-you-broken-today/ |
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Some states it's illegal to gather rain water.
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 12/15/11 12:48 PM
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The House voted 283-136 to pass the 2012 defense authorization bill on Wednesday that contains controversial provisions requiring military detention for some terrorism suspects. The Obama administration, which had threatened to veto the massive $662 billion defense bill over the detainee provisions, announced it would support the bill. The bill is expected to pass the Senate and head to President Obama's desk this week. The bill requires military custody for suspects linked to al-Qaida or its affiliates, even if they are captured in the U.S., with an exemption for American citizens and lawful resident aliens. House and Senate leaders made some changes during conference committee to assuage the administration's concerns, adding "assurances" it would not affect existing criminal enforcement and national security waivers of the FBI or any other domestic law enforcement agency. They also gave the president the authority to waive the military-detention provisions. E-MAIL THIS ARTICLE PRINTER-FRIENDLY VERSION COMMENT ON THIS STORY RELATED STORIES Final Defense bill contains key contractor provisions 12/14/11 Why Obama might veto defense bill: It would hurt the fight against terrorism 12/05/11 Senate-passed Defense bill would cap contractor pay 12/02/11 Obama threatens veto of defense authorization bill 11/17/11 The new "language does not challenge or constrain the president's ability to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists, and protect the American people," White House press secretary Jay Carney said. How is this a bad thing for American citizens? You need to research a little more. He "specificly" told congress to "include US citizens, and remove congressional priviledge" from the bill or he would veto it! What that means to you/me? If we challenge his "authority", by protest or any form, he will have the right to declare ANY US citizen a terrorist and away you go, and NO recourse by congressional act under the constitution or bill of rights...... think FEMA camps.....bye-bye! 
Even Cheney would envy this power! Wonder what waterboarding supporters would think then, if they were caught under this bill? |
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By all rights, under this bill, he could imprison congressmen/women, clergy, you, me, internet bloggers, comedians or entertainers (with a following), media.....ANYONE.... BECAUSE IT GIVES HIM EMPIRICAL RULE....like a King! Think back to the roundup of Japanese Americans during WWII! They were no real threat, but could have been..... all the excuse he will need under this bill! |
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By all rights, under this bill, he could imprison congressmen/women, clergy, you, me, internet bloggers, comedians or entertainers (with a following), media.....ANYONE.... BECAUSE IT GIVES HIM EMPIRICAL RULE....like a King! Think back to the roundup of Japanese Americans during WWII! They were no real threat, but could have been..... all the excuse he will need under this bill! Hang on, let me straighten you out on something. |
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Whatever you may post in denial, this bill eliminates any rights you might have under 3-5 articles of the constitution... |
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Edited by
boredinaz06
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Thu 12/15/11 01:00 PM
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This is from Bill Summary & Status
112th Congress (2011 - 2012) S.1867 All Information S.1867 Latest Title: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 Sponsor: Sen Levin, Carl [MI] (introduced 11/15/2011) Cosponsors (None) Related Bills: H.R.1540, H.R.1894, S.240, S.1106, S.1253, S.1254, S.1255, S.1256, S.1777 Latest Major Action: 12/1/2011 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Passed Senate with amendments by Yea-Nay. 93 - 7. Record Vote Number: 218. Latest Action: 12/1/2011 See also H.R. 1540. Title X: General Provisions - Subtitle A: Financial Matters Subtitle D: Detainee Matters - (Sec. 1031) Affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force includes the authority for U.S. Armed Forces to detain covered persons pending disposition under the law of war. Defines a "covered person" as a person who: (1) planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for such attacks; or (2) was part of or substantially supported al Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. Requires the Secretary to regularly brief Congress on the application of such authority. (Sec. 1032) Requires U.S. Armed Forces to hold in custody pending disposition a person who was a member or part of al Qaeda or an associated force and participated in planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners. Authorizes the Secretary to waive such requirement in the national security interest. Makes such requirement inapplicable to U.S. citizens or U.S. lawful resident aliens. Outlines implementation procedures. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN01867:@@@L&summ2=m& The Library of Congress |
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As you can from this portion here that it has already passed the senate: Latest Major Action: 12/1/2011 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Passed Senate with amendments by Yea-Nay. 93 - 7
So I don't know where your getting your misinformation but its wrong! |
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As you can from this portion here that it has already passed the senate: Latest Major Action: 12/1/2011 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Passed Senate with amendments by Yea-Nay. 93 - 7 So I don't know where your getting your misinformation but its wrong! I suggest more research before making a final analysis.... I am still.... and I don't like what I am reading! 
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As you can from this portion here that it has already passed the senate: Latest Major Action: 12/1/2011 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Passed Senate with amendments by Yea-Nay. 93 - 7 So I don't know where your getting your misinformation but its wrong! I suggest more research before making a final analysis.... I am still.... and I don't like what I am reading!
I think your paranoid |
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