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Imagine how bad our economy would crash when fuel prices double and double again. How can any sane person wish to see this happen?
Those who make these decisions are well aware of the outcomes. The quistion is do they wish that on the people? Are we dumb enough again to suffer through it? I am wondering anyhow would the world be a better or worse place without Israel? Israel has not been a verry good friend to the US. A strong case can be made that they are the worse ally ever. |
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Imagine how bad our economy would crash when fuel prices double and double again. How can any sane person wish to see this happen? Those who make these decisions are well aware of the outcomes. The quistion is do they wish that on the people? Are we dumb enough again to suffer through it? I am wondering anyhow would the world be a better or worse place without Israel? Israel has not been a verry good friend to the US. A strong case can be made that they are the worse ally ever. and like I said,Iran wouldn't know what hit them! BTW,are you calling for the Destruction of Israel? That would put you square in the Camp of the Islamists! Besides,Israel has been a better Friend to the US,than any of those ME-Despots,regardless of your so-called "Facts! |
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the Non-Facts of Iran versus Israel!
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Imagine how bad our economy would crash when fuel prices double and double again. How can any sane person wish to see this happen? Those who make these decisions are well aware of the outcomes. The quistion is do they wish that on the people? Are we dumb enough again to suffer through it? I am wondering anyhow would the world be a better or worse place without Israel? Israel has not been a verry good friend to the US. A strong case can be made that they are the worse ally ever. and like I said,Iran wouldn't know what hit them! BTW,are you calling for the Destruction of Israel? That would put you square in the Camp of the Islamists! Besides,Israel has been a better Friend to the US,than any of those ME-Despots,regardless of your so-called "Facts! Just speculateing. Whats your opinion? All the conflict and suffering caused by it. Would the world be better or worse off if Israel never existed? Being a person who thinks peace and harmony will make for a better planet I would never suggest anyone be destroyed. |
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Conrad_73
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Imagine how bad our economy would crash when fuel prices double and double again. How can any sane person wish to see this happen? Those who make these decisions are well aware of the outcomes. The quistion is do they wish that on the people? Are we dumb enough again to suffer through it? I am wondering anyhow would the world be a better or worse place without Israel? Israel has not been a verry good friend to the US. A strong case can be made that they are the worse ally ever. and like I said,Iran wouldn't know what hit them! BTW,are you calling for the Destruction of Israel? That would put you square in the Camp of the Islamists! Besides,Israel has been a better Friend to the US,than any of those ME-Despots,regardless of your so-called "Facts! Just speculateing. Whats your opinion? All the conflict and suffering caused by it. Would the world be better or worse off if Israel never existed? Being a person who thinks peace and harmony will make for a better planet I would never suggest anyone be destroyed. You really need to brush up on your ME-History! Really! Told you before! Blame the Catholic Church for the Existence of Israel! It was their 2000year Hatepreaching that made it necessary to revive the State of Israel! Since you are speculating,maybe speculate on all the scientific Innovations that have come out of Israel the last Sixty years! Maybe it doesn't matter to you,but what the heck! But your Goal becomes clearer and clearer! The Goal of the Left! So eloquently stated in all the Anti-Jew/anti-Semite Threads a few of you are churning out daily! Might fool yourselves,but are not fooling others! And obsession with a small Country like Israel,on a daily basis,and putting that much effort in demonizing and delegitimizing isn't normal |
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Imagine how bad our economy would crash when fuel prices double and double again. How can any sane person wish to see this happen? Those who make these decisions are well aware of the outcomes. The quistion is do they wish that on the people? Are we dumb enough again to suffer through it? I am wondering anyhow would the world be a better or worse place without Israel? Israel has not been a verry good friend to the US. A strong case can be made that they are the worse ally ever. The line between sane and insane is very thin. I believe that Dick Cheney was borderline as was his neocon mates . Oddly enough I wouldn't include GWB in there. USrael is the big problem in the middle east the only state that keeps altering its borders. Many people have been killed because of USrael including thousands of Americans. Do not send your sons and daughters thousand of miles overseas on the pretense of protecting America and in the guise of humanitarianism ...your sons and daughters are dying for nothing |
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Imagine how bad our economy would crash when fuel prices double and double again. How can any sane person wish to see this happen? Those who make these decisions are well aware of the outcomes. The quistion is do they wish that on the people? Are we dumb enough again to suffer through it? I am wondering anyhow would the world be a better or worse place without Israel? Israel has not been a verry good friend to the US. A strong case can be made that they are the worse ally ever. The line between sane and insane is very thin. I believe that Dick Cheney was borderline as was his neocon mates . Oddly enough I wouldn't include GWB in there. USrael is the big problem in the middle east the only state that keeps altering its borders. Many people have been killed because of USrael including thousands of Americans. Do not send your sons and daughters thousand of miles overseas on the pretense of protecting America and in the guise of humanitarianism ...your sons and daughters are dying for nothing 
Moreover,since it is the Detractors that have altered all the Facts! Funny too,the ones screaming the loudest about high Fuelprices are the same Idiots that don't want to drill for Oil in the US! 
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3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused. 
US, Russia and UK back Israel at Mideast meeting By GEORGE JAHN Associated Press 2011-11-22 09:50 PM Fonts Size A+ Printer-Friendly Printer Syrian Arab Republic Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency, IAEA, Bassam Sabbagh leaves the forum on creating a Nuclear-Weapon-Free-Zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East at the International Center, in Vienna, Austria, Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) Jan Petersen, Norwegian Ambassador to the IAEA and chairperson of the forum on creating a Nuclear-Weapon-Free-Zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East, speaks during a news conference after a meeting at the International Center, in Vienna, Austria, Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) Jan Petersen, Norwegian Ambassador to the IAEA and chairperson of the forum on creating a Nuclear-Weapon-Free-Zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East, speaks during a news conference after a meeting at the International Center, in Vienna, Austria, Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) Jan Petersen, Norwegian Ambassador to the IAEA and chairperson of the forum on creating a Nuclear-Weapon-Free-Zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East, speaks during a news conference after a meeting at the International Center, in Vienna, Austria, Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) In a boost to Israel, Russia joined the U.S. and Britain on Tuesday in backing the Jewish state's view that the Middle East cannot be turned into a nuclear arms-free zone without progress on regional peace. The three nations _ who are charged with registering new members to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty _ also blunted Arab efforts to get them involved creating such a zone, telling an International Atomic Energy Agency meeting that was the sole responsibility of countries in the region. The three-nation statement was made at a rare venue _ a meeting bringing Israel and the Arab states together for a discussion of how to work toward establishing a Mideast nuclear-arms free zone. While nearly 100 nations attended the forum, it was primarily meant to allow those two opposing camps to exchange views on the issue _ one of many dividing Israel from its Arab neighbors. Organizers had warned against high expectations, and officials at the closed two-day meeting said it ended Friday without bridging the differences. "This was a small positive step," said Norwegian Ambassador Jan Petersen, who chaired the gathering, acknowledging "there is a very, very long way ahead" to reach the goal of a Mideast nuclear-weapons free zone. "There are a lot of difficult issues, which will have to be tackled," he told reporters. Still the three-nation statement was significant. Russia is traditionally in the Arab corner and Moscow's decision to join Washington and London in the joint statement of support for Israel's view was a rare nod from Moscow recognizing Israel's security concerns. "While Nuclear Weapon-Free zones improve the security of the entire international community, they do not exist in isolation from other security factors," said the statement which was shared with The Associated Press. Any such zone, it said must see "the states in the region united in their aspiration to provide for strengthened regional stability and security." That dovetails with Israel's view that peace must prevail in the Middle East before it can be made into a nuclear free zone. But it clashes with the Arab position that the two issues are separate. The Arabs say Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal represents the biggest threat to Mideast peace. But Israel says Iran is the greatest threat to the region through its refusal to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding it stop activities that could be used to make nuclear weapons and suspected research and development of such capabilities. Tehran denies any interest in such arms. Iran boycotted the meeting. But a decision last year by the 189 members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty to convene a U.N.-sponsored conference on establishing a Middle East nuclear-free zone in 2012 was an incentive for Israel's Arab neighbors to come to the exploratory Vienna talks _ even if there are no formal links between the two. "Hopefully, we were able to identify quite a lot of issues which will be useful" at that conference, Petersen said. Arab countries and Iran are aware of the potential of using the 2012 U.N. conference as a platform to pressure Israel to fulfill their long-standing demands: joining the nonproliferation treaty, acknowledging that it has nuclear weapons and allowing IAEA inspectors to probe its atomic activities. Israel is unlikely to do any of that. It remains unclear whether it will even attend the 2012 talks and came to the Vienna meeting only under the stipulation that it remain a nonbinding give-and-take on the issue of nuclear-free zones in general. Petersen noted that international pressure on Iran had grown since a Nov. 8 IAEA report that was the most thorough to date on backing up suspicions that Tehran is conducting research and development of nuclear arms. "They have one more question to answer now," he said about Iran's decision to stay away. "I don't think it was particularly helpful to their cause. The three-nation statement also sought to put into context the value of the meeting _ which featured presentations on nuclear-free zones elsewhere. It said "zones free of nuclear weapons cannot be created counter to the will of the countries of the region by the efforts of extra-regional powers or international organizations." That was an rebuttal of an Arab push to get powers that are members of the Nonproliferation Treaty involved in creating a Mideast nuclear-free region. Participants said most speakers avoided polemics. But on Monday, Syria">Syria _ among Israel's bitterest Mideast rivals _ used the gathering to accuse Israel of posing a "grave and serious threat" through its undeclared atomic arsenal. Israel, for its part, restated its view: no discussions on a nuclear-free zone without peace in the Middle East. "Experience shows that such a process can only be launched when normal, peaceful relations exist in the region, when the threat perception of all regional members is low, and only after basic confidence is established among states of the region," David Danieli, Israel's deputy nuclear chief, said in comments provided to the AP. For now, he said, "political instability, open hostilities, deep mistrust and noncompliance with international obligations are too common in many parts of the Middle East." http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1767602 |
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Iran of course was a democracy but not of the british or american model.....
How dare they nationalize their oil....... We civilized people need excess for or petrol guzzling cars and we want it cheap...it is our right |
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3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
US, Russia and UK back Israel at Mideast meeting By GEORGE JAHN Associated Press 2011-11-22 09:50 PM Fonts Size A+ Printer-Friendly Printer Syrian Arab Republic Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency, IAEA, Bassam Sabbagh leaves the forum on creating a Nuclear-Weapon-Free-Zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East at the International Center, in Vienna, Austria, Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) Jan Petersen, Norwegian Ambassador to the IAEA and chairperson of the forum on creating a Nuclear-Weapon-Free-Zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East, speaks during a news conference after a meeting at the International Center, in Vienna, Austria, Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) Jan Petersen, Norwegian Ambassador to the IAEA and chairperson of the forum on creating a Nuclear-Weapon-Free-Zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East, speaks during a news conference after a meeting at the International Center, in Vienna, Austria, Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) Jan Petersen, Norwegian Ambassador to the IAEA and chairperson of the forum on creating a Nuclear-Weapon-Free-Zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East, speaks during a news conference after a meeting at the International Center, in Vienna, Austria, Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) In a boost to Israel, Russia joined the U.S. and Britain on Tuesday in backing the Jewish state's view that the Middle East cannot be turned into a nuclear arms-free zone without progress on regional peace. The three nations _ who are charged with registering new members to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty _ also blunted Arab efforts to get them involved creating such a zone, telling an International Atomic Energy Agency meeting that was the sole responsibility of countries in the region. The three-nation statement was made at a rare venue _ a meeting bringing Israel and the Arab states together for a discussion of how to work toward establishing a Mideast nuclear-arms free zone. While nearly 100 nations attended the forum, it was primarily meant to allow those two opposing camps to exchange views on the issue _ one of many dividing Israel from its Arab neighbors. Organizers had warned against high expectations, and officials at the closed two-day meeting said it ended Friday without bridging the differences. "This was a small positive step," said Norwegian Ambassador Jan Petersen, who chaired the gathering, acknowledging "there is a very, very long way ahead" to reach the goal of a Mideast nuclear-weapons free zone. "There are a lot of difficult issues, which will have to be tackled," he told reporters. Still the three-nation statement was significant. Russia is traditionally in the Arab corner and Moscow's decision to join Washington and London in the joint statement of support for Israel's view was a rare nod from Moscow recognizing Israel's security concerns. "While Nuclear Weapon-Free zones improve the security of the entire international community, they do not exist in isolation from other security factors," said the statement which was shared with The Associated Press. Any such zone, it said must see "the states in the region united in their aspiration to provide for strengthened regional stability and security." That dovetails with Israel's view that peace must prevail in the Middle East before it can be made into a nuclear free zone. But it clashes with the Arab position that the two issues are separate. The Arabs say Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal represents the biggest threat to Mideast peace. But Israel says Iran is the greatest threat to the region through its refusal to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding it stop activities that could be used to make nuclear weapons and suspected research and development of such capabilities. Tehran denies any interest in such arms. Iran boycotted the meeting. But a decision last year by the 189 members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty to convene a U.N.-sponsored conference on establishing a Middle East nuclear-free zone in 2012 was an incentive for Israel's Arab neighbors to come to the exploratory Vienna talks _ even if there are no formal links between the two. "Hopefully, we were able to identify quite a lot of issues which will be useful" at that conference, Petersen said. Arab countries and Iran are aware of the potential of using the 2012 U.N. conference as a platform to pressure Israel to fulfill their long-standing demands: joining the nonproliferation treaty, acknowledging that it has nuclear weapons and allowing IAEA inspectors to probe its atomic activities. Israel is unlikely to do any of that. It remains unclear whether it will even attend the 2012 talks and came to the Vienna meeting only under the stipulation that it remain a nonbinding give-and-take on the issue of nuclear-free zones in general. Petersen noted that international pressure on Iran had grown since a Nov. 8 IAEA report that was the most thorough to date on backing up suspicions that Tehran is conducting research and development of nuclear arms. "They have one more question to answer now," he said about Iran's decision to stay away. "I don't think it was particularly helpful to their cause. The three-nation statement also sought to put into context the value of the meeting _ which featured presentations on nuclear-free zones elsewhere. It said "zones free of nuclear weapons cannot be created counter to the will of the countries of the region by the efforts of extra-regional powers or international organizations." That was an rebuttal of an Arab push to get powers that are members of the Nonproliferation Treaty involved in creating a Mideast nuclear-free region. Participants said most speakers avoided polemics. But on Monday, Syria">Syria _ among Israel's bitterest Mideast rivals _ used the gathering to accuse Israel of posing a "grave and serious threat" through its undeclared atomic arsenal. Israel, for its part, restated its view: no discussions on a nuclear-free zone without peace in the Middle East. "Experience shows that such a process can only be launched when normal, peaceful relations exist in the region, when the threat perception of all regional members is low, and only after basic confidence is established among states of the region," David Danieli, Israel's deputy nuclear chief, said in comments provided to the AP. For now, he said, "political instability, open hostilities, deep mistrust and noncompliance with international obligations are too common in many parts of the Middle East." http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1767602 |
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We all need to be Joe Wilson right now. We need to stand up and scream, "LIAR!" at every politician and every talking media moron that is pushing this war in Iran. And we need to keep dong it until they get the message that we will not be deceived any more.
Israel wants to send your kids off to die in Iran, and YOU are the only one that can stop them. Please forward this comment to your social networks. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/IranvIsrael.php |
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Edited by
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We all need to be Joe Wilson right now. We need to stand up and scream, "LIAR!" at every politician and every talking media moron that is pushing this war in Iran. And we need to keep dong it until they get the message that we will not be deceived any more. Israel wants to send your kids off to die in Iran, and YOU are the only one that can stop them. Please forward this comment to your social networks. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/IranvIsrael.php
and his lying Wife! |
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Edited by
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We all need to be Joe Wilson right now. We need to stand up and scream, "LIAR!" at every politician and every talking media moron that is pushing this war in Iran. And we need to keep dong it until they get the message that we will not be deceived any more.
Israel wants to send your kids off to die in Iran, and YOU are the only one that can stop them. Please forward this comment to your social networks. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/IranvIsrael.php |
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http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2011/04/iranian-armageddon.html
The Iranian Armageddon By Alan Caruba In the months and years leading up to the beginning of World War Two, all the parties knew full well Hitler’s intention to start a war. When he struck a deal with Stalin to divide Poland, the die was cast. The invasion came in September 1939. Previously, diplomats had met with the Nazis to offer them the former Czechoslovakia and turned a blind eye to other provocative events. World War Two was preceded by Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” that spelled out his plans for Europe’s Jews and the torrent of lies that led to war and the genocide that became known as the Holocaust. It is not surprising that history is repeating itself as in the case of an April 7 letter to The Wall Street Journal by Alireza Miryousefi of the Iranian Mission to the U.N. “There is no evidence of any military diversion” in Iran’s nuclear facilities claimed Mr. Miryousefi, who went on to assert that “the real threat of nuclear proliferation” was Israel which he described as “the Zionist regime.” Despite Iran’s support for two terrorist organizations, Hezbollah and Hamas, it was Israel, said Mr. Miryousefi, that was “the biggest terrorist and apartheid regime.” Today, everyone knows the Iran’s crazed ayatollahs intend to secure nuclear weapon capability and everyone knows that, when they do, they will attack Israel with them. They have never ceased to call for its destruction. It is not a question of if, but when. How close is “when”? The Iranians just released a video titled “The Coming is Near” that describes the current events in the Middle East as the prelude to the coming of the Twelfth Imam, the Mahdi, a figure particular to the Shiite branch of Islam and one that Islamic scriptures say will lead the armies of Islam to victory over all non-Muslims in the last days. In a nuclear age, as Nikita Krushchev, a former Premier of the Soviet Union, once said, “The living will envy the dead.” Those were the days of the Cold War and, with both the U.S. and Russia possessing nukes, the concept of mutually assured destruction, MAD, was understood. This, however, does not apply to the ayatollahs. They need massive destruction to bring about their Islamic End Times scenario. In a recent Wall Street Journal interview with Bernard Lewis, the West’s leading scholar on the Middle East, he pointed out that the mullahs “are religious fanatics with an apocalyptic mindset. In Islam, as in Christianity and Judaism, there is an end-of-times scenario—and they think it’s beginning or has already begun.” The result, said Lewis, is that “mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent—it’s an inducement.” In the days leading up to World War Two, the diplomatic choice was appeasement. Today, hope is that the mullahs can be deterred long enough that Iranians will somehow bring about regime change from within. The computer virus, Stuxnet, had the affect of interfering with the enrichment process necessary to weaponize uranium, but may not now be a factor. In the meantime, the Gulf Cooperation Council, composed of six GCC states are discussing a proposal to identify and deport an estimated 20,000 Shiites linked to Iran. In Kuwait the plan would focus on Lebanese Shiites with links to Hezbollah and Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. It is believed that many Iranian agents have been activated this year and, as such, pose a security threat. Said one GCC insider, “For years, the GCC knew of these people, but looked the other way. We can’t look the other way anymore.” The news, unfortunately, just keeps getting worse and worse. In the muddle that represents the effort to overthrow Libya’s Gadhafi, DebkaFile reports that the “rebels” have sold thousands of chemical shells found in Benghazi to Hezbollah and Hamas, two puppet organizations funded by Iran. When you add to that the thousands of rockets cached in Lebanon by Hezbollah and the rocketing that has been reinstituted from Gaza by Hamas, you have a trigger for a wider war. Specifically, you have the elements of the destruction of Israel by the Iranians and the so-called Palestinians, a stateless group that have been the pawns of Iran and Arab nations for more than six decades. In late March, Senators Mark Kirk (R-Ill) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) were joined by twenty-five other Senators who sent a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asking her to identify specific steps the administration is taking to press the Palestinian Authority to end the “dangerous incitement against Jews and Israel.” The letter was sent in the wake of the terrorist murder of the Fogel family in Itamar and a bombing of a civilian bus in Jerusalem. A school bus has since been attacked. You don’t have to be a CIA analyst to know that events in the Middle East will be exploited by the Iranians to bring about their apocalyptic End Times aspirations and that the destruction of Israel is, in their view, the trigger. After Israel, the United States and Europe will be next. © Alan Caruba, 2011 Hope you got your Asbestos-Suits ready! |
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Iran it seems have not invaded any country for over 200 years.
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project. The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979 |
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Iran it seems have not invaded any country for over 200 years. The 1953 Iranian coup d'état was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project. The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979 |
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After the coup, Pahlavi ruled as an authoritarian monarch for the next 26 years, until he was overthrown in a popular revolt in 1979 The tangible benefits the United States reaped from overthrowing Iran's elected government included a share of Iran's oil wealth as well as resolute prevention of the slim possibility that the Iranian government might align itself with the Soviet Union, although the latter motivation produces controversy among historians. Washington continually supplied arms to the unpopular Shah, and the CIA-trained SAVAK, his repressive secret police force. The coup is widely believed to have significantly contributed to anti-American sentiment in Iran and the Middle East. The 1979 Iranian Revolution deposed the Shah and replaced the pro-Western royal dictatorship with the largely anti-Western Islamic Republic of Iran. They have reason to get Nuclear..Protect themselves from...The Destructive Threesome |
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Iran it seems have not invaded any country for over 200 years. The 1953 Iranian coup d'état was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project. The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979 |
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Iran it seems have not invaded any country for over 200 years. The 1953 Iranian coup d'état was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project. The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979 |
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the Non-Facts of Iran versus Israel! |
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