That being said then.....

The People of Iraq and Libya should over the coming years see unprecedented growth in individual wealth as the American puppet Dictators have been removed.

Or will those puppet dictators be replaced by thieving greedy barstewards in the guise of Democratic Dictators.


There will always be rich and poor because of guys like you who accept it.

99 to 1 ....I think the odds are in our favour...I mean our unless you are one of the 1%

Well, if libya can overcome its tribal and political differences within its people then they have every chance of doing well for themselves. With gaddafi gone they should have their assets unfozen by other countries ... so who knows? they certainly deserve to prosper

Iraq i think has too much problems with internal violence and sectarianism for it to prosper, at least not in the short term. who knows ... they also deserve a change in fortunes

Have they?

Oh yes... Libya had an American puppet in Mummar..

I don't mind taking the criticism of the stupid things our government does, but this is a blatant disregard of the facts..

Mummar was a euro stooge that was wined and dined by the EU.

The fact that he was killed and not tried at the Hague has led me to believe that the EU leaders that ki$$ed his *** cut a deal with the rebels so Mummar never got the chance to tell the world exactly what the EU was offering him..

here is a video of my favorite Brit MEP..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFbjuLNuHi8

Got that one wrong in Terms of whose puppet QADDAFI was. He was mainly a British Puppet not Europe's.

Nigel Farage is Anti Europe and a Xenophobe

Mummar was murdered because he wanted paying in Euros for Libyan oil and that was not good for the Dollar.

So many murdered in the guise of humanity but really for OIL



Two Video Links of my Favourite UK Member of Parliment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmKTVEyq1HU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk2u-pvOpcc&feature=player_embedded#!

the old Oil-Myth again!
As if it matters what Currency is used to pay for a Barrel of Oil!

On second thought,everytime I need fifty Gallons of Heating-Oil,I have to go to the Bank and exchange my Francs for Dollars!
They wouldn't accept my Francs!

Tsk tsk tsk Tom,did ya not watch the News ? Libya was invaded to bring democracy and freedom to the Libyan People ! :)

Why do I always get it wrong

Does that mean that Iraq is now a Democracy as well?

Pity the 1.3 million did't live to see the good deeds of the last empire.

I must stop reading those Bad Truth sites

Schröder: The Commission or a European finance minister will have to retain the right of initiative, but the control mechanisms will have to be democratized. National parliaments cannot be expected to accept a loss of sovereignty on budgetary matters without parliamentary control mechanisms being implemented elsewhere. The decisions reached by the national parliaments must end up in the European Parliament, as the ultimate authority. A possible approach would be for the parliament to form a special committee, which would consist of the members of the euro zone and assume this control function. The transfer of such parliamentary rights to any expert committees would pose a serious risk, because it would be associated with the curtailment of democracy.

SPIEGEL: Would you entrust the European Parliament to perform this task?

Schröder: Yes, of course. This sort of parliamentary control mechanism is needed, and if the crisis results in the problems we have discussed being corrected, there is a good side to the crisis.


'Europe Needs to Wake Up'

Part 2: 'Great Britain Is Causing the Greatest Problem'

SPIEGEL: And what happens after that?

Schröder: The Commission will have to be turned into a government that is controlled, in parliamentary terms, by the European Parliament. That translates into a United States of Europe. (German Labor Minister Ursula) Von der Leyen is entirely correct in this regard. Conservative politicians and members of the administration are also calling for the same thing now.

SPIEGEL: But that's a Europe modeled after German ideas of fiscal, economic and social policy, which horrifies the other countries.

Schröder: It's a reasonable concept, not a German concept. I'm a member of a European think thank founded by Nicolas Berggruen, along with conservative colleagues from other European countries. If there is one thing we agree on, it is that we need a reasonable, transnational mix between stimulating growth, on the one hand, and austerity, on the other. This is not a German concept. Look at Scandinavia, where you see good Europeans, and look at the Netherlands and Austria. They're all good Europeans.


Read all of it HERE


http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,784357,00.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,784357-2,00.html


Have good last look at the Sovereignty of your Country,then kiss it Good Bye!

Did you not see lancelot's post?

Iraq and Libya are now democracies.

Just imagine what 2012 is going to bring......


Democracy to Iran....yipppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

God Bless America

The land of the peppered sprayed

By the Brave new fascists State Police

and I thought you hated America!

Indeed ! Iran will be "liberated" next . . . and having established a firm-foothold,sorry,Democracy in the middle-east, they might just turn west and overthrow dat evil Chavez in Venezuela, always remember tho, its NOT about oil so Please try keep up, mase do thoil e ! :)

Indeed ! Iran will be "liberated" next . . . and having established a firm-foothold,sorry,Democracy in the middle-east, they might just turn west and overthrow dat evil Chavez in Venezuela, always remember tho, its NOT about oil so Please try keep up, mas e do thoil e ! :)

Oops sorry for the repeat, my error !

gabh mo leithscéal

I could have sworn that it was all about oil.

Bringing Democracy to the world.

Yes Hugo will probably be next but I do believe that is a step too far.

It will take a few more years of Demonetization before the people of Venezuela are paid enough to overthrow him...after all he wants to divide the countries wealth between them...how dare he..... that is pure socialism. Not good for the 1%

Europe's blithering idiots and their flim-flam treaty

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Economics Last updated: December 9th, 2011



Merkozy has bulldozed Britain out of the EU (Photo: AFP)

What remarkable petulance and stupidity.

The leaders of France and Germany have more or less bulldozed Britain out of the European Union for the sake of a treaty that offers absolutely no solution to the crisis at hand, or indeed any future crisis. It is EU institutional chair shuffling at its worst, with venom for good measure.

It is risky to reach instant conclusions on a fast-moving story but it looks as if the EU may soon be reduced to a shell, with a new union forming among the core.

Much has been said about whether David Cameron handled this well or badly. I leave that debate to my colleagues. What strikes me as a former EU correspondent is how threatening this is to the EU Project itself.

A country – and a large one – may start to disengage for the first time. The aura of historical inevitability that has swept Europe towards ever closer union for half a century has been punctured. Yes, Croatia will soon join, as Sarkozy chirped triumphantly, but that is not quite the same thing (no offence meant to the South Slavs).

Utter confusion will ensue over the legal structures of the EU. For whom will the European Commission work? For whom the European Court? It will be chaos for a while. This is the nightmare that fonctionnaires have always feared.

And what for? All this upheaval for a mess of pottage, a flim-flam treaty? The deal is not a "lousy compromise", said Angela Merkel. Well, actually that is exactly what it is for eurozone politicians searching for a breakthrough.

It tarts up the old Stability Pact without changing the substance (although there will be prior vetting of budgets). This "fiscal compact" is not going to make to make the slightest impression on global markets, and they are the judges who matter in this trial by fire.

Yes, there is more discipline for fiscal sinners, but without any transforming help. Even the old "Marshall Plan" of the July summit has bitten the dust.

There is no shared debt issuance, no fiscal transfers, no move to an EU Treasury, no banking licence for the ESM rescue fund, and no change in the mandate of the European Central Bank.

In short, there is no breakthrough of any kind that will convince Asian investors that this monetary union has viable governance or even a future.

Germany has kept the focus exclusively on fiscal deficits even though everybody must understand by now that this crisis was not caused by fiscal deficits (except in the case of Greece). Spain and Ireland were in surplus, and Italy had a primary surplus.

As Sir Mervyn King said last week, the disaster was caused by current account imbalances (Spain's deficit, and Germany's surplus), and by capital flows setting off private sector credit booms.

The Treaty proposals evade the core issue.

Did France and Germany really have to cause this rift by throwing in an assault on the City that has precious little do with the EMU crisis? Yes, I suppose they did.

Given that Merkozy cannot bring themselves to accept that Europe's debacle stems from the euro itself, from a 30pc currency misalignment between from North and South, and from an over-leveraged €23 trillion banking bubble that German, French, Dutch, Belgian regulators allowed to happen… given that, yes, I suppose they have to find a scapegoat.

They have to whip up a witchhunt against somebody, so why not Anglo-Saxon bankers? Nasty reflexes are at work. German and French politicians in particular should be very careful about inciting populist hatred against a group that makes such easy prey. We have been there before.

No doubt these dramatic events will be uncomfortable for Britain, but this will all be swept away by bigger events before long. The Europols have not begun to work out a viable solution to their deformed and unworkable currency union, and perhaps no such solution exists. The system will lurch from crisis to crisis until it blows up in acrimony.

By then, a separate cluster will have emerged (not the 10 "outs" against the 17 "ins", always a ludicrous concept), but rather a loose Anglo-Nordic-Swiss grouping that may not do so badly on the fringes and may begin to solidify into a seductively comfortable outer tier.

The mere existence of such a constellation might change the calculus of isolation for Spain should it finally tire of Franco-German dictates and depression, or should the Portuguese at last conclude that enough is enough.

Does France, for that matter, really want to be locked into a clammy embrace with an ever stronger Germany? The whole purpose of monetary union for Paris was to tie down a reunited Germany with silken cords. France now finds its own hands tied because of EMU, reduced to a humiliating side-kick.

But the vain and hysterical little man now in the Elysée will soon be gone. A leader will emerge once more with a "certaine idée de la France".

As for Britain, let us seize the moment of liberation, and enjoy it.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100013758/europes-blithering-idiots-and-their-flim-flam-treaty/

Any venture in which sarkozy has a say is doomed to failure , hes a celebrity, a poor modern-day version of Napoleon. I admire the Original, but not dis clown.

... the libya intervention went well and sarkozy had a main role, just sayin'

Nigel Farage is anti- Europe and that is why I like him.

He stands for a sovereign Britain and self determination for it's people.

I realize that those things must disappear in order for your utopian society of world equality to take root and as long as people like Nigel exist and have a platform to be heard you are going to label him with one the leftist buzzwords.

The EU and its communist overlords are going to fail..

In fact... They have already failed.

Time will tell Jaj ! Besides, the Yanks were the bosses there, as usual. Wherever theres Invasion/Intervention/Occupation, u may be certain theres Americans . . They have done all of the above in 76 different Countries since WW2 , a Shocking Fact !!!!!