You can't understand a product more than the manufacturer.How can anyone claim to know what is best for man than God the creator?

I noticed in the OP profile, a man wearing clothes. Did god manufacture them or did man? In either case they seem to be assembled correctly on the figure - perhaps there were instructions - The Ten Steps to Buttoning a shirt.

Science: method of understanding the product which is the reality. Oh, and funny how technology keeps improving on itself, despite NONE of the original manufacturers are alive. (Television to the internet; are technology products, yeah?) I don't believe in your god anyway, at least not in a sense that would classify my religion as Abrahamic, but I never agreed with this type of argument even when I was Christian.

can't know what's best. unknowable. just like god.

Oh, but you can!

One of my girlfriends once built a desk. She had no background in carpentry, physics, or anything like that. She didn't ask for help, she just got saws and hammers and nails and just did it. I thought it was pretty bad ***, and was impressed at the quality - for her first desk.

After she did it, we talked about what decisions she made, and why... as smart and as bad *** as she was, she definitely didn't 'understand' that desk better than a carpenter would have.

Just because you make something doesn't make you an authority on what you made.

oh yeah, then try and understand the pinto.

The Pinto is unknowable...

The pinto is a supreme be-an.

JR, who was your comment addressed to?

well, as for the issue of clothes, God was the first to make clothes for man in the garden of Eden.
The Bible also said, man's knowledge will increase.
There is no idea of man that does not come from the spirit realm
read Exodus 35 : 30-35, 36 : 1,2.

i guess i'm the only one here old enough to remember the manufacturing flop that the ford PINTO was. nevermind.

The Pinto had a gas tank problem. The location of the gas tank was dangerous.

......absolutely right

How about for contemplation, one view of the whole situation:

The weak of mind wants to be able to lay all the burdens they themselves should carry, all unexplainable, all bad, etc... onto an invisible being. What could be better bliss than being able to lay the blame/responsibility elsewhere.

The strong of mind will acknowledge that they are fully and utterly responsible for themselves and their effect on everything around them with no influence from a good or bad source but their own mind.

And this view doesn't even deny that their could be a god, it just gives a view of some of the damage done by the belief in one.

Nahhh.....


The weak of mind will attempt to hijack a thread so that they may assume a "better-than-thou" attitude.


The strong of mind sees right through that bullchit!





have fun!

So if man is the product, are they going to gather us up and load us into spaceships and sell us as slaves to the draconians?

I remember the original car bomb

the Maker will do whatever He pleases with His product...
just the same way you do what pleases you with your properties.