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Topic: Air Force pursuing antimatter weapons
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Thu 09/22/11 08:17 PM
Look at the beams in these pictures. Does it look like they just "fell over?"

They turned to dust.




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Thu 09/22/11 08:22 PM
Chazster Seriously, I'm curious. How much of the official story do you believe? All of it?


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Thu 09/22/11 08:28 PM

Chazster Seriously, I'm curious. How much of the official story do you believe? All of it?




Infititly more than I believe anything you have posted. I believe airplanes hit the towers and the pentagon and that they were hijacked. I believe the towers fell due to structural damages and they fell according to physics.

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Thu 09/22/11 08:33 PM

Look at the beams in these pictures. Does it look like they just "fell over?"

They turned to dust.






Looks to be falling to me. You can see the lower left pole seperate and fall more to the left from the first to second picture. The tallest post you can see drop down as it is falling farther down. That being said you also cant tell what kind of material is there. I assume some of it is concrete and that is where the dust is coming from. Steal doesn't turn to dust.

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Thu 09/22/11 08:33 PM
More questions, for Chaster:

How do you know that we don't have the technology for those kind of high energy beam weapons?

Does the Military or government send you a memo about all their top secret weapons projects?

What do you suppose all this top secret stuff is about? If the government tells everyone everything then there should be no need for any "top secrets."

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Thu 09/22/11 08:35 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 09/22/11 08:36 PM


Look at the beams in these pictures. Does it look like they just "fell over?"

They turned to dust.






Looks to be falling to me. You can see the lower left pole seperate and fall more to the left from the first to second picture. The tallest post you can see drop down as it is falling farther down. That being said you also cant tell what kind of material is there. I assume some of it is concrete and that is where the dust is coming from. Steal doesn't turn to dust.


That is dust dear. That is the beam turning to dust.

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Thu 09/22/11 08:36 PM


Chazster Seriously, I'm curious. How much of the official story do you believe? All of it?




Infititly more than I believe anything you have posted. I believe airplanes hit the towers and the pentagon and that they were hijacked. I believe the towers fell due to structural damages and they fell according to physics.


Why do you believe that?

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Thu 09/22/11 08:41 PM

More questions, for Chaster:

How do you know that we don't have the technology for those kind of high energy beam weapons?

Does the Military or government send you a memo about all their top secret weapons projects?

What do you suppose all this top secret stuff is about? If the government tells everyone everything then there should be no need for any "top secrets."


Common sense. You think the government would spend billions of dollars on boeings laser plane if we had technology that far surpassed that? We dont have a power source to generate the kind of power that would be required to have a laser to take down a building. If we did it would be powering out country in a non military application.

Yes I used to work on military weapons and yes I have a security clearance fyi.

Also there is physics. Where is this device they are firing? They would have to have line of sight with nothing in the way. There would be residual heat. Windows would have been melting off. How would a weapon even work to collapse a building like that? Please describe how you think this so called weapon would work to take down a building.

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Thu 09/22/11 08:45 PM



Chazster Seriously, I'm curious. How much of the official story do you believe? All of it?




Infititly more than I believe anything you have posted. I believe airplanes hit the towers and the pentagon and that they were hijacked. I believe the towers fell due to structural damages and they fell according to physics.


Why do you believe that?


I have seen the videos of the planes. The remains of the planes. Heard reports from the air traffic controller that lost contact with the planes. Heard the stories from the family members that talked to their loved ones. Seen videos of interviews with firefighters on the scenes. I also understand enough about physics to realize the towers should fall like they did. I talked about this in class with a civil engineering professor at my college. etc

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Thu 09/22/11 08:48 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 09/22/11 08:51 PM


More questions, for Chaster:

How do you know that we don't have the technology for those kind of high energy beam weapons?

Does the Military or government send you a memo about all their top secret weapons projects?

What do you suppose all this top secret stuff is about? If the government tells everyone everything then there should be no need for any "top secrets."


Common sense. You think the government would spend billions of dollars on boeings laser plane if we had technology that far surpassed that? We dont have a power source to generate the kind of power that would be required to have a laser to take down a building. If we did it would be powering out country in a non military application.

Yes I used to work on military weapons and yes I have a security clearance fyi.

Also there is physics. Where is this device they are firing? They would have to have line of sight with nothing in the way. There would be residual heat. Windows would have been melting off. How would a weapon even work to collapse a building like that? Please describe how you think this so called weapon would work to take down a building.


Windows were melted off of many vehicles including a fire truck. You have not been looking at Dr. Wood's sight enough.

You are only 26 years old according to your profile. I find it very difficult to believe that you used to work on military weapons or that you have a "security clearance." Anyway there are many levels of security clearances.

I just don't believe you. Sorry.

Also, you have no way of knowing what kind of weapons we or anyone else has available.

But if we don't have them available, then who do you think would?

Aliens? Russians? China? Islamic terrorists?

Common sense tells me and anyone with common sense knows that 1400 cars were not burned to a crisp and melted by a plane hitting a tower on the 94th floor.

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Thu 09/22/11 08:59 PM
Edited by Chazster on Thu 09/22/11 09:00 PM



More questions, for Chaster:

How do you know that we don't have the technology for those kind of high energy beam weapons?

Does the Military or government send you a memo about all their top secret weapons projects?

What do you suppose all this top secret stuff is about? If the government tells everyone everything then there should be no need for any "top secrets."


Common sense. You think the government would spend billions of dollars on boeings laser plane if we had technology that far surpassed that? We dont have a power source to generate the kind of power that would be required to have a laser to take down a building. If we did it would be powering out country in a non military application.

Yes I used to work on military weapons and yes I have a security clearance fyi.

Also there is physics. Where is this device they are firing? They would have to have line of sight with nothing in the way. There would be residual heat. Windows would have been melting off. How would a weapon even work to collapse a building like that? Please describe how you think this so called weapon would work to take down a building.


Windows were melted off of many vehicles including a fire truck. You have not been looking at Dr. Wood's sight enough.

You are only 26 years old according to your profile. I find it very difficult to believe that you used to work on military weapons or that you have a "security clearance." Anyway there are many levels of security clearances.

I just don't believe you. Sorry.

Also, you have no way of knowing what kind of weapons we or anyone else has available.

But if we don't have them available, then who do you think would?

Aliens? Russians? China? Islamic terrorists?

Common sense tells me and anyone with common sense knows that 1400 cars were not burned to a crisp and melted by a plane hitting a tower on the 94th floor.


I could care less if you believe me. I worked for Lockheed Martin and have a security clearance. Defense contractors hire lots of young engineers. Melted windows on a car is different then on the building. They would have been melting off before the building collapse as the heat would have to penetrate from the outside. I am not talking deformed due to heat. I am talking liquefied. Please explain how this so called weapon is supposed to work and I can better explain how you are wrong.

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Thu 09/22/11 09:03 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 09/22/11 09:05 PM




More questions, for Chaster:

How do you know that we don't have the technology for those kind of high energy beam weapons?

Does the Military or government send you a memo about all their top secret weapons projects?

What do you suppose all this top secret stuff is about? If the government tells everyone everything then there should be no need for any "top secrets."


Common sense. You think the government would spend billions of dollars on boeings laser plane if we had technology that far surpassed that? We dont have a power source to generate the kind of power that would be required to have a laser to take down a building. If we did it would be powering out country in a non military application.

Yes I used to work on military weapons and yes I have a security clearance fyi.

Also there is physics. Where is this device they are firing? They would have to have line of sight with nothing in the way. There would be residual heat. Windows would have been melting off. How would a weapon even work to collapse a building like that? Please describe how you think this so called weapon would work to take down a building.


Windows were melted off of many vehicles including a fire truck. You have not been looking at Dr. Wood's sight enough.

You are only 26 years old according to your profile. I find it very difficult to believe that you used to work on military weapons or that you have a "security clearance." Anyway there are many levels of security clearances.

I just don't believe you. Sorry.

Also, you have no way of knowing what kind of weapons we or anyone else has available.

But if we don't have them available, then who do you think would?

Aliens? Russians? China? Islamic terrorists?

Common sense tells me and anyone with common sense knows that 1400 cars were not burned to a crisp and melted by a plane hitting a tower on the 94th floor.


I could care less if you believe me. I worked for Lockheed Martin and have a security clearance. Defense contractors hire lots of young engineers. Melted windows on a car is different then on the building. They would have been melting off before the building collapse as the heat would have to penetrate from the outside. Please explain how this so called weapon is supposed to work and I can better explain how you are wrong.


Well since the twin towers had no debris, and they found no large quantities of glass there is no way of knowing if it was all dustified or melted.

How do you expect me to "explain" how this weapon works? How would I know? There are several weapons that are being tested, not just one.

But anyway, you believe the official story, that's fine and that's settled. I see no reason to continue discussing this with you.

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Thu 09/22/11 09:13 PM
There is no way a laser weapon is going to cause a building to collapse. They have people filming the whole thing. if a laser did exists that produced only intense heat and and was invisible to the human eye it would still have to have line of sight on the building. It would be focused heat and it would have to penetrate to the center of the building thus there would be a huge melted hole in the building where the laser was fixated. (assuming this was even possible to create and power)

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Thu 09/22/11 09:15 PM



Windows were melted off of many vehicles including a fire truck. You have not been looking at Dr. Wood's sight enough.

You are only 26 years old according to your profile. I find it very difficult to believe that you used to work on military weapons or that you have a "security clearance." Anyway there are many levels of security clearances.

I just don't believe you. Sorry.



Also how about you do some of your famous research. Go to sites like Lockheed Martin, GE, L-3, Boeing, General Dynamics, Honeywell, BAE, Raytheon, etc and do a job search under engineering and look for entry level jobs that require security clearances. You will find a lot.

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Thu 09/22/11 11:10 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 09/22/11 11:14 PM

There is no way a laser weapon is going to cause a building to collapse.


I don't think I ever specified what kind of weapon may have been used. I don't know.

But if I had to pick between what was available in 2001 I might pick something like Ranets E High Power Microwave Directed Energy Weapon. Or something similar. :wink:

The Ranets E is a High Power Microwave (HPM) weapon system intended to produce electrically lethal damage or disruption and dysfunction in opposing airborne systems, be they aircraft or guided munitions in flight. The system was first disclosed by Rosoboronexport in 2001, but little technical detail has been disclosed since then.

The weapon uses an X-band pulsed 500 MegaWatt HPM source, generating 10 to 20 nanosecond pulses at a 500 Hz PRF, and average output power of 2.5 to 5 kiloWatts. The antenna is large enough to provide a gain of 45 to 50 dB in the X-band, for a total weapon weight of 5 tonnes. The weapon has been described as a "radio-frequency cannon" and Russian sources credit it with a lethal range of 20 miles against the electronic guidance systems of PGMs and aircraft avionic systems.


But I don't know much about what technology was available then or how many different weapons they might be using or testing. I imagine they don't tell us everything.

I do know that I have been using a microwave oven for a lot of years. I'm sure they have made a lot of progress on that kind of technology.





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Thu 09/22/11 11:15 PM


There is no way a laser weapon is going to cause a building to collapse.


I don't think I ever specified what kind of weapon may have been used. I don't know.

But if I had to pick between what was available in 2001 I might pick something like Ranets E High Power Microwave Directed Energy Weapon. Or something similar. :wink:

The Ranets E is a High Power Microwave (HPM) weapon system intended to produce electrically lethal damage or disruption and dysfunction in opposing airborne systems, be they aircraft or guided munitions in flight. The system was first disclosed by Rosoboronexport in 2001, but little technical detail has been disclosed since then.

The weapon uses an X-band pulsed 500 MegaWatt HPM source, generating 10 to 20 nanosecond pulses at a 500 Hz PRF, and average output power of 2.5 to 5 kiloWatts. The antenna is large enough to provide a gain of 45 to 50 dB in the X-band, for a total weapon weight of 5 tonnes. The weapon has been described as a "radio-frequency cannon" and Russian sources credit it with a lethal range of 20 miles against the electronic guidance systems of PGMs and aircraft avionic systems.


But I don't know much about what technology was available then or how many different weapons they might be testing. I imagine they don't tell us everything.







Are you serious? Do you understand what that does? Its basically an EMP cannon. Think like the Matrix when they used the EMP to disable the machines. Its lethal to an aircraft because if its power is shot it falls from the sky. It wont do anything to a building. slaphead

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Thu 09/22/11 11:17 PM
They even have a brochure. tongue2

Okay if this weapon can disrupt and take down a plane, and a plane can disrupt and take down two towers, I think we have a winner.drinker tongue2


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Thu 09/22/11 11:19 PM
Edited by Chazster on Thu 09/22/11 11:21 PM

They even have a brochure. tongue2

Okay if this weapon can disrupt and take down a plane, and a plane can disrupt and take down two towers, I think we have a winner.drinker tongue2




For one, how would it get line of sight? 2 there happens to be planes that were not supposed to be in New York near those towers? They happen to disrupt 2 planes that fit that criteria and those planes happen to crash into the towers?

Not to mention its range is 20 miles. It would have to be in the city. I doubt it could keep line of sight in the city or get in the city with no one seeing it.

Not even close to a winner.

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Thu 09/22/11 11:20 PM


Are you serious? Do you understand what that does? Its basically an EMP cannon. Think like the Matrix when they used the EMP to disable the machines. Its lethal to an aircraft because if its power is shot it falls from the sky. It wont do anything to a building. slaphead


I did say 'or something like it.

I'm sure they aren't revealing all their new secret weapons. That's why they call it "CLASSIFIED." laugh laugh tongue2

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Thu 09/22/11 11:24 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 09/22/11 11:26 PM
You claim a weapon like that can't take down a building but it can take down a plane... and yet you claim that a plane made of light weight aluminum can take down a building..by plowing through steal beams filled with concrete and disappear inside of the building.

Then, falling debris somehow reaches a car lot two blocks away and burns up hundreds of cars, melting engine blocks etc. That plane is one hell of a powerful weapon. More powerful in fact than the Ranets E High Power Microwave Directed Energy Weapon.

Wow, and you say I live in fantasy land. tongue2

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