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Topic: Actress Daryl Hannah Arrested at White House
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Tue 08/30/11 12:47 PM
Actress Daryl Hannah has been arrested in front of the White House along with other environmental protesters who oppose a planned oil pipeline from Canada to the U.S. Gulf Coast.

The sit-in Tuesday involved dozens protesting the Keystone XL pipeline. It would go through Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas to refineries in Houston and Port Arthur, Texas.

Before she was arrested, Hannah told The Associated Press the protesters want to be free from dependence on fossil fuels. The group calls for clean energy investments instead. Hannah says they hope President Barack Obama will not bow to oil lobbyists.

Hannah sat down on the sidewalk near the White House and refused orders from U.S. Park Police to move.

She has been arrested in the past for environmental causes.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/08/30/actress-daryl-hannah-arrested-at-white-house-protest/#ixzz1WXkj0ZRk

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Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 04:56 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Mon 09/05/11 04:59 PM
Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:08 PM

Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:15 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Mon 09/05/11 05:17 PM


Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,


Who were they harming by protesting? Tell me who! Unless someone was actually being threatened, let em protest! Screw all the damn rules and red tape. I don't even see anything about it being mentioned in the article posted to start with anyway.

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:18 PM



Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,


Who were they harming by protesting? Tell me who! Unless someone was actually being threatened, let em protest! Screw all the damn rules and red tape.



I know, according to some, rules suck

unless they are the ones following them and someone else is permitted , under the same circumstances, to break theem

its more than 'harming' people in some physical sense that some are so limited in their consideration

its also a matter of RESPECTING space and territory, even if it doesnt seem to physically 'harm' someone at the time

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:20 PM




Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,


Who were they harming by protesting? Tell me who! Unless someone was actually being threatened, let em protest! Screw all the damn rules and red tape.



I know, according to some, rules suck

unless they are the ones following them and someone else is permitted , under the same circumstances, to break theem

its more than 'harming' people in some physical sense that some are so limited in their consideration

its also a matter of RESPECTING space and territory, even if it doesnt seem to physically 'harm' someone at the time


All a lot of the rules especially when it comes to governments and corporations go, is about to me is obedience to our masters. Well I refuse to obey someone I don't respect. Respect is earned in my opinion, and the government hasn't earned one bit of it to me. Why don't they follow their own damn rules for a change? They never seem to, they can get away with any damn thing they want, but can we? No! They are hypocrites.

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:22 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 09/05/11 05:23 PM





Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,


Who were they harming by protesting? Tell me who! Unless someone was actually being threatened, let em protest! Screw all the damn rules and red tape.



I know, according to some, rules suck

unless they are the ones following them and someone else is permitted , under the same circumstances, to break theem

its more than 'harming' people in some physical sense that some are so limited in their consideration

its also a matter of RESPECTING space and territory, even if it doesnt seem to physically 'harm' someone at the time


All a lot of the rules especially when it comes to governments and corporations go, is about to me is obedience to our masters. Well I refuse to obey someone I don't respect. Respect is earned in my opinion, and the government hasn't earned one bit of it to me. Why don't they follow their own damn rules for a change? They never seem to, they can get away with any damn thing they want, but can we? No! They are hypocrites.



well, if we are into generalizing, IM sure there are plenty of hypocrites who protest against what they do too

but those are INDIVIDUALS, as are politicians within the government


many more follow the rules than dont and there arent exceptions to the laws because of human tendency towards 'hypocrisy'


we are lucky we can protest at all especially in high tourist areas where people are making income and potential consumers can be turned away or discouraged from coming

its not always about whatever we feel like doing,,,,

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:24 PM






Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,


Who were they harming by protesting? Tell me who! Unless someone was actually being threatened, let em protest! Screw all the damn rules and red tape.



I know, according to some, rules suck

unless they are the ones following them and someone else is permitted , under the same circumstances, to break theem

its more than 'harming' people in some physical sense that some are so limited in their consideration

its also a matter of RESPECTING space and territory, even if it doesnt seem to physically 'harm' someone at the time


All a lot of the rules especially when it comes to governments and corporations go, is about to me is obedience to our masters. Well I refuse to obey someone I don't respect. Respect is earned in my opinion, and the government hasn't earned one bit of it to me. Why don't they follow their own damn rules for a change? They never seem to, they can get away with any damn thing they want, but can we? No! They are hypocrites.



well, if we are into generalizing, IM sure there are plenty of hypocrites who protest against what they do too

but those are INDIVIDUALS, as are politicians within the government


many more follow the rules than dont and there arent exceptions to the laws because of human tendency towards 'hypocrisy'


If you really think a good deal of them follow the rules you are just flat naive. Why is it the rich can get away with paying little to no taxes, yet if we try to, we are villified for it and burned to the stake?

Why is it that so much total garbage is allowed in our foods and drinks that gets people sick with no consequences, yet if we serve ONE thing that makes someone ill it's a huge crime?

Do you not see the double standards here?

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:25 PM

we are lucky we can protest at all especially in high tourist areas where people are making income and potential consumers can be turned away or discouraged from coming

its not always about whatever we feel like doing,,,,


Are you suggesting we shouldn't even be allowed to do that??? Am I understanding you right??

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:34 PM







Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,


Who were they harming by protesting? Tell me who! Unless someone was actually being threatened, let em protest! Screw all the damn rules and red tape.



I know, according to some, rules suck

unless they are the ones following them and someone else is permitted , under the same circumstances, to break theem

its more than 'harming' people in some physical sense that some are so limited in their consideration

its also a matter of RESPECTING space and territory, even if it doesnt seem to physically 'harm' someone at the time


All a lot of the rules especially when it comes to governments and corporations go, is about to me is obedience to our masters. Well I refuse to obey someone I don't respect. Respect is earned in my opinion, and the government hasn't earned one bit of it to me. Why don't they follow their own damn rules for a change? They never seem to, they can get away with any damn thing they want, but can we? No! They are hypocrites.



well, if we are into generalizing, IM sure there are plenty of hypocrites who protest against what they do too

but those are INDIVIDUALS, as are politicians within the government


many more follow the rules than dont and there arent exceptions to the laws because of human tendency towards 'hypocrisy'


If you really think a good deal of them follow the rules you are just flat naive. Why is it the rich can get away with paying little to no taxes, yet if we try to, we are villified for it and burned to the stake?

Why is it that so much total garbage is allowed in our foods and drinks that gets people sick with no consequences, yet if we serve ONE thing that makes someone ill it's a huge crime?

Do you not see the double standards here?


I see it can always be improved, I dont see the blanket conspiracies though


as to rich getting away

tell that to Redd Foxx, or Wesley Snipes, or many others who have everything they own taken for tax evasion

Considering how much food we consume, there is actually very little incidence of it causing sickness

I dont see the point in being upset that exceptions to rules arent the norm

if the norm to the rule was an exception, than what would be the purpose of even having the rules


rules are there for a reason,,whether its immediate and obvious or not

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:39 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Mon 09/05/11 05:40 PM








Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,


Who were they harming by protesting? Tell me who! Unless someone was actually being threatened, let em protest! Screw all the damn rules and red tape.



I know, according to some, rules suck

unless they are the ones following them and someone else is permitted , under the same circumstances, to break theem

its more than 'harming' people in some physical sense that some are so limited in their consideration

its also a matter of RESPECTING space and territory, even if it doesnt seem to physically 'harm' someone at the time


All a lot of the rules especially when it comes to governments and corporations go, is about to me is obedience to our masters. Well I refuse to obey someone I don't respect. Respect is earned in my opinion, and the government hasn't earned one bit of it to me. Why don't they follow their own damn rules for a change? They never seem to, they can get away with any damn thing they want, but can we? No! They are hypocrites.



well, if we are into generalizing, IM sure there are plenty of hypocrites who protest against what they do too

but those are INDIVIDUALS, as are politicians within the government


many more follow the rules than dont and there arent exceptions to the laws because of human tendency towards 'hypocrisy'


If you really think a good deal of them follow the rules you are just flat naive. Why is it the rich can get away with paying little to no taxes, yet if we try to, we are villified for it and burned to the stake?

Why is it that so much total garbage is allowed in our foods and drinks that gets people sick with no consequences, yet if we serve ONE thing that makes someone ill it's a huge crime?

Do you not see the double standards here?


I see it can always be improved, I dont see the blanket conspiracies though


as to rich getting away

tell that to Redd Foxx, or Wesley Snipes, or many others who have everything they own taken for tax evasion

Considering how much food we consume, there is actually very little incidence of it causing sickness

I dont see the point in being upset that exceptions to rules arent the norm

if the norm to the rule was an exception, than what would be the purpose of even having the rules


rules are there for a reason,,whether its immediate and obvious or not


Those were people made examples of, I'm talking even bigger. The fact is those in power do NOT play by the same rules we do. Again they are hypocrites. I don't care if you believe me or not, the facts do not change.

And you are totally wrong about the food too, a little research on all the different additives in what we eat and drink would tell you that. Also ask yourself this. If all we had was healthy food to eat, where would we need all the different drugs on the market for? Short answer, we wouldn't, and it's EXACTLY WHY nothing ever changes. Healthy people do not make them money, but sick people do, it is big business. The sooner you realize this the better. Money is the main motivator here, not the interests of the people nor their health.

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:40 PM


we are lucky we can protest at all especially in high tourist areas where people are making income and potential consumers can be turned away or discouraged from coming

its not always about whatever we feel like doing,,,,


Are you suggesting we shouldn't even be allowed to do that??? Am I understanding you right??



No, IM suggesting that we are LUCKY to be afforded such a freedom and that having some GUIDELINES to that fortunate freedom is not too much to ask or unreasonable by any standards...

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:43 PM









Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,


Who were they harming by protesting? Tell me who! Unless someone was actually being threatened, let em protest! Screw all the damn rules and red tape.



I know, according to some, rules suck

unless they are the ones following them and someone else is permitted , under the same circumstances, to break theem

its more than 'harming' people in some physical sense that some are so limited in their consideration

its also a matter of RESPECTING space and territory, even if it doesnt seem to physically 'harm' someone at the time


All a lot of the rules especially when it comes to governments and corporations go, is about to me is obedience to our masters. Well I refuse to obey someone I don't respect. Respect is earned in my opinion, and the government hasn't earned one bit of it to me. Why don't they follow their own damn rules for a change? They never seem to, they can get away with any damn thing they want, but can we? No! They are hypocrites.



well, if we are into generalizing, IM sure there are plenty of hypocrites who protest against what they do too

but those are INDIVIDUALS, as are politicians within the government


many more follow the rules than dont and there arent exceptions to the laws because of human tendency towards 'hypocrisy'


If you really think a good deal of them follow the rules you are just flat naive. Why is it the rich can get away with paying little to no taxes, yet if we try to, we are villified for it and burned to the stake?

Why is it that so much total garbage is allowed in our foods and drinks that gets people sick with no consequences, yet if we serve ONE thing that makes someone ill it's a huge crime?

Do you not see the double standards here?


I see it can always be improved, I dont see the blanket conspiracies though


as to rich getting away

tell that to Redd Foxx, or Wesley Snipes, or many others who have everything they own taken for tax evasion

Considering how much food we consume, there is actually very little incidence of it causing sickness

I dont see the point in being upset that exceptions to rules arent the norm

if the norm to the rule was an exception, than what would be the purpose of even having the rules


rules are there for a reason,,whether its immediate and obvious or not


Those were people made examples of, I'm talking even bigger. The fact is those in power do NOT play by the same rules we do. Again they are hypocrites. I don't care if you believe me or not, the facts do not change.

And you are totally wrong about the food too, a little research on all the different additives in what we eat and drink would tell you that. Also ask yourself this. If all we had was healthy food to eat, where would we need all the different drugs on the market for? Short answer, we wouldn't, and it's EXACTLY WHY nothing ever changes. Healthy people do not make them money, but sick people do, it is big business. The sooner you realize this the better. Money is the main motivator here, not the interests of the people nor their health.




so, if I understand, you are upset that they dont regulate some people more and other people less...who should decide which group is which?

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:44 PM



we are lucky we can protest at all especially in high tourist areas where people are making income and potential consumers can be turned away or discouraged from coming

its not always about whatever we feel like doing,,,,


Are you suggesting we shouldn't even be allowed to do that??? Am I understanding you right??



No, IM suggesting that we are LUCKY to be afforded such a freedom and that having some GUIDELINES to that fortunate freedom is not too much to ask or unreasonable by any standards...


The problem is, once you let them dictate one thing, they will want to dictate something else, and then something else after that and so on and so forth until they are dictating EVERYTHING we do. We're pretty damn close to that point now. You give an inch they will take a mile and they have.

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:47 PM










Freedom at work once again........oppose the message? Arrest them! Yeah that's definitely freedom to me.

Sure takes a big man to arrest someone for protesting what they're told. Here's an idea, LISTEN TO THEM! You're supposed to work for US, not US working for you!

It's BS like this that is EXACTLY why those in power get no respect from the people. When push comes to shove, time and time again they have shown they could give two rats about the will of the people. Well that can go both ways, you don't care about us, why should we care about you then?



they werent arrested for protesting what they were told, they were arrested for not doing it according to the 'rules' in place for such demonstrations

many other demonstrations have gone on successfully in protest of what people were told,,, know why? because they followed the guidelines set for holding demonstrations on the white house grounds,,,


Who were they harming by protesting? Tell me who! Unless someone was actually being threatened, let em protest! Screw all the damn rules and red tape.



I know, according to some, rules suck

unless they are the ones following them and someone else is permitted , under the same circumstances, to break theem

its more than 'harming' people in some physical sense that some are so limited in their consideration

its also a matter of RESPECTING space and territory, even if it doesnt seem to physically 'harm' someone at the time


All a lot of the rules especially when it comes to governments and corporations go, is about to me is obedience to our masters. Well I refuse to obey someone I don't respect. Respect is earned in my opinion, and the government hasn't earned one bit of it to me. Why don't they follow their own damn rules for a change? They never seem to, they can get away with any damn thing they want, but can we? No! They are hypocrites.



well, if we are into generalizing, IM sure there are plenty of hypocrites who protest against what they do too

but those are INDIVIDUALS, as are politicians within the government


many more follow the rules than dont and there arent exceptions to the laws because of human tendency towards 'hypocrisy'


If you really think a good deal of them follow the rules you are just flat naive. Why is it the rich can get away with paying little to no taxes, yet if we try to, we are villified for it and burned to the stake?

Why is it that so much total garbage is allowed in our foods and drinks that gets people sick with no consequences, yet if we serve ONE thing that makes someone ill it's a huge crime?

Do you not see the double standards here?


I see it can always be improved, I dont see the blanket conspiracies though


as to rich getting away

tell that to Redd Foxx, or Wesley Snipes, or many others who have everything they own taken for tax evasion

Considering how much food we consume, there is actually very little incidence of it causing sickness

I dont see the point in being upset that exceptions to rules arent the norm

if the norm to the rule was an exception, than what would be the purpose of even having the rules


rules are there for a reason,,whether its immediate and obvious or not


Those were people made examples of, I'm talking even bigger. The fact is those in power do NOT play by the same rules we do. Again they are hypocrites. I don't care if you believe me or not, the facts do not change.

And you are totally wrong about the food too, a little research on all the different additives in what we eat and drink would tell you that. Also ask yourself this. If all we had was healthy food to eat, where would we need all the different drugs on the market for? Short answer, we wouldn't, and it's EXACTLY WHY nothing ever changes. Healthy people do not make them money, but sick people do, it is big business. The sooner you realize this the better. Money is the main motivator here, not the interests of the people nor their health.




so, if I understand, you are upset that they dont regulate some people more and other people less...who should decide which group is which?


I'll put it like this, the Bible itself even says for one to take the log out of their own eye before judging someone else. Well that's what the government ought to do. If they want us to respect them and follow their orders they damn sure better practice what they preach and they don't, they simply don't. If they actually PROVED they gave a damn about us in their actions and not just their words, maybe then people would listen to them. But time and again they have shown they do not, so as such they aren't worthy of any respect, regardless of what anyone else may say. They are a joke.

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:48 PM




we are lucky we can protest at all especially in high tourist areas where people are making income and potential consumers can be turned away or discouraged from coming

its not always about whatever we feel like doing,,,,


Are you suggesting we shouldn't even be allowed to do that??? Am I understanding you right??



No, IM suggesting that we are LUCKY to be afforded such a freedom and that having some GUIDELINES to that fortunate freedom is not too much to ask or unreasonable by any standards...


The problem is, once you let them dictate one thing, they will want to dictate something else, and then something else after that and so on and so forth until they are dictating EVERYTHING we do. We're pretty damn close to that point now. You give an inch they will take a mile and they have.



Well, thats an opinion , we are all entitled to our own

I think believing we have to have NO rules in order to avoid complete dictatorship is fallacious logic at its scariest,,,

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:50 PM





we are lucky we can protest at all especially in high tourist areas where people are making income and potential consumers can be turned away or discouraged from coming

its not always about whatever we feel like doing,,,,


Are you suggesting we shouldn't even be allowed to do that??? Am I understanding you right??



No, IM suggesting that we are LUCKY to be afforded such a freedom and that having some GUIDELINES to that fortunate freedom is not too much to ask or unreasonable by any standards...


The problem is, once you let them dictate one thing, they will want to dictate something else, and then something else after that and so on and so forth until they are dictating EVERYTHING we do. We're pretty damn close to that point now. You give an inch they will take a mile and they have.



Well, thats an opinion , we are all entitled to our own

I think believing we have to have NO rules in order to avoid complete dictatorship is fallacious logic at its scariest,,,


Well I think it's just as scary if not scarier at the amount of people who blindly obey government like they really give a damn about us, so we're even.

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:52 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Mon 09/05/11 05:52 PM
Bottom line is simply this: The government as it was supposed to be, was meant to be by the people and for the people, those who were a part of it were there to serve us, but who is serving whom now? Seems like it's the other way around.

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/05/11 05:55 PM






we are lucky we can protest at all especially in high tourist areas where people are making income and potential consumers can be turned away or discouraged from coming

its not always about whatever we feel like doing,,,,


Are you suggesting we shouldn't even be allowed to do that??? Am I understanding you right??



No, IM suggesting that we are LUCKY to be afforded such a freedom and that having some GUIDELINES to that fortunate freedom is not too much to ask or unreasonable by any standards...


The problem is, once you let them dictate one thing, they will want to dictate something else, and then something else after that and so on and so forth until they are dictating EVERYTHING we do. We're pretty damn close to that point now. You give an inch they will take a mile and they have.



Well, thats an opinion , we are all entitled to our own

I think believing we have to have NO rules in order to avoid complete dictatorship is fallacious logic at its scariest,,,


Well I think it's just as scary if not scarier at the amount of people who blindly obey government like they really give a damn about us, so we're even.



theres that word 'blindly',, how about those who follow laws and rules that seem to have reason and justification

which MOST laws do

and those who follow laws who dont find the harm in doing so and dont find the consequences worth not doing so,,

actionlynx's photo
Mon 09/05/11 06:46 PM
Quite honestly, I know of a lot of laws which I feel should either be done away with or be completely rewritten. However, for most of the laws I know of, good or bad, I also understand the reasoning and logic behind them. I understand the motives and the process of how the bills evolved prior to becoming law. Some laws are flawed in logic and depth of thought. Others are poorly written. And others yet are exactly as they ought to be.

As I just stated in another thread, when I have a legal question, I read the law myself, straight from the source. I will not read interpretations or explanations UNLESS I cannot understand the law itself after several readings. Thankfully, that is extremely rare, although I can tell you first-hand that many laws are horribly written even though the intention is good.

For example, building codes can be confusing to read, as are health codes and motor vehicle laws.

As for the rest of the discussion, I don't need to be involved. Kleisto and I already know that we disagree regarding a number of his beliefs. No reason to rehash all that.

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