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I was doing some research, and one question came to mind... And suicide bombers don't do what they do for money or power. They usually don't do it because of coercion either. They do it for personal beliefs, whether honor or righteousness or vengeance. There could be brainwashing involved, but when dealing with hundreds or thousands of people, that becomes increasingly unlikely except in the case of a minority. Actually it is brainwashing. I watched some mothers being interviewed in Lebanon about the history of conflict with Israel. One mother explained how she had three boys and that was enough to send one as a suicide bomber. He would go to Paradise a hero ... Another mother praised her deceased son who had become a suicide bomber at some very young age (I forget). The whole community as a group praised suicide bombing as the logical way to attack their enemies. The interviewer put the camera on some young boys and asked them about the topic. The boys (about 8 or 10 I would guess) extolled the bravery of suicide bombing and told how they would get their turn soon. When you are told the above from birth by your mother and everyone in the community, it is brainwashing to the infinite degree. |
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Actually it is brainwashing. I watched some mothers being interviewed in Lebanon about the history of conflict with Israel. One mother explained how she had three boys and that was enough to send one as a suicide bomber. He would go to Paradise a hero ... Another mother praised her deceased son who had become a suicide bomber at some very young age (I forget). The whole community as a group praised suicide bombing as the logical way to attack their enemies. The interviewer put the camera on some young boys and asked them about the topic. The boys (about 8 or 10 I would guess) extolled the bravery of suicide bombing and told how they would get their turn soon. When you are told the above from birth by your mother and everyone in the community, it is brainwashing to the infinite degree. But see, the stories we hear about are the ones about recruiting college students using brainwashing tactics. We do not talk much about societal brainwashing, probably because such is tied into religion. So what I was getting at was that it was more likely to happen over the long-term, through society and religion, than simply conditioning a recruit. (Conditioning so many recruits would require a lot of time and manpower.) How do you fight something like that? Remember, WWII Japan was the same way because kamikaze pilots were driven by duty, honor, and saving face. It was akin to a samurai performing seppuku to atone for failure. A remnant from bushido where samurai's life belonged to his lord, in this case Emperor Hirohito, and the emperor ruled by divine right. This was part of the reason why an invasion of Japan was thought to be too costly giving the alternative. Propaganda is a notorious way of attempting to brainwash the masses. And yet, when such mass brainwashing exists, it is usually very obvious and difficult to conceal. When tied to religion, it becomes a very sensitive subject of "my way versus your way" and both are convinced they are right. |
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Edited by
Chazster
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Sun 08/21/11 03:25 PM
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If you tell a lie often enough, some will see it as the truth.
Like the myth that Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attack on the world trade center? That lie was first broadcast 33 minutes after the attack and has been repeated so many times that anyone who doesn’t believe it are considered crazy. I guess they wanted to get an early start on telling the lie. Yet I never saw or heard any credible evidence that Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with the 9-11 attacks, let alone being the “mastermind.” Do you believe that lie because it has been repeated so many times? The truth of it is, Osama Bin Laden, who was on the FBI’s most wanted list, was not even listed as being wanted for the attack on the World Trade Center because they said themselves they did not have enough evidence to connect him with it. This is FACT. If you are a big fan of the facts, then I have a lot more facts that I will show you. Unless you are one who only looks at facts that support your current held beliefs, I think you will be convinced that 9-11 was an inside job. The deeper I look into the 9-11 facts the more convinced I am that the official story is a complete fabrication. It is not even worthy of being called a bad “government conspiracy theory.” It is not a theory of anything, it is just fiction and pure propaganda. I would actually rather believe the official version because the alternative version is so horrendously dark and sinister that it shocks me to the core of my being. The people who are spinning the fabrication of the official 9-11 commission are severely lacking in imagination and scientific expertise not to mention moral fiber. The Popular Mechanics article and book about 9-11 has been debunked ten fold by experts that put them to shame. But rest assured, the powers that be don’t care about that because they know that the largest portion of the population are too dumbed down, apathetic and lazy to spend any time looking into or at the real facts. They will believe what they are told and do as they are told. So the creators of all the official trumped up, fabricated, unscientific reports and official propaganda will stroke each other’s egos and give reference to each other as authorities and expertise on what happened on 9-11 over and over and over –often enough that eventually a large percentage of the population will believe it because they are too lazy to read and study the real facts. The hostile takeover of Popular Mechanics was done by Cathleen P. Black, president of Hearst Magazines in order to steal the credibility it may have had in the past. It is no longer a credible magazine as the senior editor-in-chief Joe Oldham and other long term employees were sent packing. Joe Oldham was given 90 minutes to clear out his office. Go ahead and do a google search with the key words: joe oldham popular mechanics. You will probably find an article about him "retiring" but he was forced to "retire" or else. I just did a search on that, and here is a paragraph written by rense.com. “A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.” ~~ rense.com Also The so-called senior researcher of the 9-11 debunking article Benjamin Chertoff, for the article, is a cousin of the head of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff and Cathleen Black is married to Thomas E. Harvey, who has worked for the CIA, the Department of Defense, and the US Information Agency. That they are cousins was confirmed by Benjamin’s mother, but Benjamin himself answered the question with “I don’t know.” Of course he wasn’t under oath or on a polygraph machine.- (Attorney General Michael Chertoff is a devoted and dedicated Zionist and supporter of Israel. ~ Christopher Bollyn, journalist.) You claim its a lie but there is no evidence he isnt behind it. Just like the Casey Anthony trial didn't have evidence doesn't mean she didnt do it it just means she couldn't be convicted. A lack of evidence doesn't make one innocent it merely means they cant be proven guilty. I am not saying you have to believe it. I am just saying you shouldnt call something a lie unless you can prove with facts that it is. You can't in this case. I call it A LIE. The ball in now in their court. They have to prove it is true. You are in fact admitting that you could be telling a lie since you admit there is no evidence to the contrary. Interesting. Very interesting. This is also a logical fallacy. You call it a lie with no evidence so they have to prove it true? When is that the case? What the government is coming up with some top secret new weapon? I call it a lie and until the bring me to the facility and show me all the top secret stuff its a lie. 
Its not like they could have had some classified missions or intel for this stuff. Nope the government doesnt do anything secretly and has nothing classified ever. |
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Actually it is brainwashing. I watched some mothers being interviewed in Lebanon about the history of conflict with Israel. One mother explained how she had three boys and that was enough to send one as a suicide bomber. He would go to Paradise a hero ... Another mother praised her deceased son who had become a suicide bomber at some very young age (I forget). The whole community as a group praised suicide bombing as the logical way to attack their enemies. The interviewer put the camera on some young boys and asked them about the topic. The boys (about 8 or 10 I would guess) extolled the bravery of suicide bombing and told how they would get their turn soon. When you are told the above from birth by your mother and everyone in the community, it is brainwashing to the infinite degree. But see, the stories we hear about are the ones about recruiting college students using brainwashing tactics. We do not talk much about societal brainwashing, probably because such is tied into religion. So what I was getting at was that it was more likely to happen over the long-term, through society and religion, than simply conditioning a recruit. (Conditioning so many recruits would require a lot of time and manpower.) How do you fight something like that? Remember, WWII Japan was the same way because kamikaze pilots were driven by duty, honor, and saving face. It was akin to a samurai performing seppuku to atone for failure. A remnant from bushido where samurai's life belonged to his lord, in this case Emperor Hirohito, and the emperor ruled by divine right. This was part of the reason why an invasion of Japan was thought to be too costly giving the alternative. Propaganda is a notorious way of attempting to brainwash the masses. And yet, when such mass brainwashing exists, it is usually very obvious and difficult to conceal. When tied to religion, it becomes a very sensitive subject of "my way versus your way" and both are convinced they are right. The bottom line is ... they have infinite ammunition, just like the Japanese during WWII. The atom bomb stopped it then. No one wants to do that again. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 08/21/11 03:41 PM
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If you tell a lie often enough, some will see it as the truth.
Like the myth that Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attack on the world trade center? That lie was first broadcast 33 minutes after the attack and has been repeated so many times that anyone who doesn’t believe it are considered crazy. I guess they wanted to get an early start on telling the lie. Yet I never saw or heard any credible evidence that Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with the 9-11 attacks, let alone being the “mastermind.” Do you believe that lie because it has been repeated so many times? The truth of it is, Osama Bin Laden, who was on the FBI’s most wanted list, was not even listed as being wanted for the attack on the World Trade Center because they said themselves they did not have enough evidence to connect him with it. This is FACT. If you are a big fan of the facts, then I have a lot more facts that I will show you. Unless you are one who only looks at facts that support your current held beliefs, I think you will be convinced that 9-11 was an inside job. The deeper I look into the 9-11 facts the more convinced I am that the official story is a complete fabrication. It is not even worthy of being called a bad “government conspiracy theory.” It is not a theory of anything, it is just fiction and pure propaganda. I would actually rather believe the official version because the alternative version is so horrendously dark and sinister that it shocks me to the core of my being. The people who are spinning the fabrication of the official 9-11 commission are severely lacking in imagination and scientific expertise not to mention moral fiber. The Popular Mechanics article and book about 9-11 has been debunked ten fold by experts that put them to shame. But rest assured, the powers that be don’t care about that because they know that the largest portion of the population are too dumbed down, apathetic and lazy to spend any time looking into or at the real facts. They will believe what they are told and do as they are told. So the creators of all the official trumped up, fabricated, unscientific reports and official propaganda will stroke each other’s egos and give reference to each other as authorities and expertise on what happened on 9-11 over and over and over –often enough that eventually a large percentage of the population will believe it because they are too lazy to read and study the real facts. The hostile takeover of Popular Mechanics was done by Cathleen P. Black, president of Hearst Magazines in order to steal the credibility it may have had in the past. It is no longer a credible magazine as the senior editor-in-chief Joe Oldham and other long term employees were sent packing. Joe Oldham was given 90 minutes to clear out his office. Go ahead and do a google search with the key words: joe oldham popular mechanics. You will probably find an article about him "retiring" but he was forced to "retire" or else. I just did a search on that, and here is a paragraph written by rense.com. “A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.” ~~ rense.com Also The so-called senior researcher of the 9-11 debunking article Benjamin Chertoff, for the article, is a cousin of the head of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff and Cathleen Black is married to Thomas E. Harvey, who has worked for the CIA, the Department of Defense, and the US Information Agency. That they are cousins was confirmed by Benjamin’s mother, but Benjamin himself answered the question with “I don’t know.” Of course he wasn’t under oath or on a polygraph machine.- (Attorney General Michael Chertoff is a devoted and dedicated Zionist and supporter of Israel. ~ Christopher Bollyn, journalist.) You claim its a lie but there is no evidence he isnt behind it. Just like the Casey Anthony trial didn't have evidence doesn't mean she didnt do it it just means she couldn't be convicted. A lack of evidence doesn't make one innocent it merely means they cant be proven guilty. I am not saying you have to believe it. I am just saying you shouldnt call something a lie unless you can prove with facts that it is. You can't in this case. I call it A LIE. The ball in now in their court. They have to prove it is true. You are in fact admitting that you could be telling a lie since you admit there is no evidence to the contrary. Interesting. Very interesting. This is also a logical fallacy. You call it a lie with no evidence so they have to prove it true? When is that the case? What the government is coming up with some top secret new weapon? I call it a lie and until the bring me to the facility and show me all the top secret stuff its a lie.
Its not like they could have had some classified missions or intel for this stuff. Nope the government doesnt do anything secretly and has nothing classified ever. The FBI did not have Osama on their most wanted list for the attack on the world trade center. There is no evidence connecting him with that crime. If 'they' accuse a man of a crime and say that he is responsible and spin that lie over and over and over until most people believe it, then they should be accountable for proving it is true, which they have not done. Have you forgotten that a person is innocent until proven guilty? What country do you live in? I live in America. They can say Bin Laden is responsible as many times as they wish, but if they can't prove it then they should not say it, and I will challenge them on it and call it a lie. Its a Lie Lie Lie. The ball is in their court if they care about what I think. But they could care less what I think. They have already brainwashed half the population of the world. (Including you apparently.) That's all they wanted to do. Brainwash most of the people into believing the lie. They succeeded. |
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Edited by
Bestinshow
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Sun 08/21/11 05:38 PM
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If you tell a lie often enough, some will see it as the truth.
Like the myth that Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attack on the world trade center? That lie was first broadcast 33 minutes after the attack and has been repeated so many times that anyone who doesn’t believe it are considered crazy. I guess they wanted to get an early start on telling the lie. Yet I never saw or heard any credible evidence that Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with the 9-11 attacks, let alone being the “mastermind.” Do you believe that lie because it has been repeated so many times? The truth of it is, Osama Bin Laden, who was on the FBI’s most wanted list, was not even listed as being wanted for the attack on the World Trade Center because they said themselves they did not have enough evidence to connect him with it. This is FACT. If you are a big fan of the facts, then I have a lot more facts that I will show you. Unless you are one who only looks at facts that support your current held beliefs, I think you will be convinced that 9-11 was an inside job. The deeper I look into the 9-11 facts the more convinced I am that the official story is a complete fabrication. It is not even worthy of being called a bad “government conspiracy theory.” It is not a theory of anything, it is just fiction and pure propaganda. I would actually rather believe the official version because the alternative version is so horrendously dark and sinister that it shocks me to the core of my being. The people who are spinning the fabrication of the official 9-11 commission are severely lacking in imagination and scientific expertise not to mention moral fiber. The Popular Mechanics article and book about 9-11 has been debunked ten fold by experts that put them to shame. But rest assured, the powers that be don’t care about that because they know that the largest portion of the population are too dumbed down, apathetic and lazy to spend any time looking into or at the real facts. They will believe what they are told and do as they are told. So the creators of all the official trumped up, fabricated, unscientific reports and official propaganda will stroke each other’s egos and give reference to each other as authorities and expertise on what happened on 9-11 over and over and over –often enough that eventually a large percentage of the population will believe it because they are too lazy to read and study the real facts. The hostile takeover of Popular Mechanics was done by Cathleen P. Black, president of Hearst Magazines in order to steal the credibility it may have had in the past. It is no longer a credible magazine as the senior editor-in-chief Joe Oldham and other long term employees were sent packing. Joe Oldham was given 90 minutes to clear out his office. Go ahead and do a google search with the key words: joe oldham popular mechanics. You will probably find an article about him "retiring" but he was forced to "retire" or else. I just did a search on that, and here is a paragraph written by rense.com. “A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.” ~~ rense.com Also The so-called senior researcher of the 9-11 debunking article Benjamin Chertoff, for the article, is a cousin of the head of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff and Cathleen Black is married to Thomas E. Harvey, who has worked for the CIA, the Department of Defense, and the US Information Agency. That they are cousins was confirmed by Benjamin’s mother, but Benjamin himself answered the question with “I don’t know.” Of course he wasn’t under oath or on a polygraph machine.- (Attorney General Michael Chertoff is a devoted and dedicated Zionist and supporter of Israel. ~ Christopher Bollyn, journalist.) You claim its a lie but there is no evidence he isnt behind it. Just like the Casey Anthony trial didn't have evidence doesn't mean she didnt do it it just means she couldn't be convicted. A lack of evidence doesn't make one innocent it merely means they cant be proven guilty. I am not saying you have to believe it. I am just saying you shouldnt call something a lie unless you can prove with facts that it is. You can't in this case. I call it A LIE. The ball in now in their court. They have to prove it is true. You are in fact admitting that you could be telling a lie since you admit there is no evidence to the contrary. Interesting. Very interesting. This is also a logical fallacy. You call it a lie with no evidence so they have to prove it true? When is that the case? What the government is coming up with some top secret new weapon? I call it a lie and until the bring me to the facility and show me all the top secret stuff its a lie.
Its not like they could have had some classified missions or intel for this stuff. Nope the government doesnt do anything secretly and has nothing classified ever. The FBI did not have Osama on their most wanted list for the attack on the world trade center. There is no evidence connecting him with that crime. If 'they' accuse a man of a crime and say that he is responsible and spin that lie over and over and over until most people believe it, then they should be accountable for proving it is true, which they have not done. Have you forgotten that a person is innocent until proven guilty? What country do you live in? I live in America. They can say Bin Laden is responsible as many times as they wish, but if they can't prove it then they should not say it, and I will challenge them on it and call it a lie. Its a Lie Lie Lie. The ball is in their court if they care about what I think. But they could care less what I think. They have already brainwashed half the population of the world. (Including you apparently.) That's all they wanted to do. Brainwash most of the people into believing the lie. They succeeded. They even have an excuse as to why the air space over the pentagon was undefended. The pentagon incident alone should be enough to set of alarm bells in peoples minds. Its just nuts that people except just about anything the government says. It sort of reminds me of when they tested the atomi bomb out in the desert. the first bomb ever exploded at the trinity test site set up a huge mushroom cloud, they told the local residence that it was an arms depot that blew, a realy big one. They wanted an explanation and got one, that was it. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 08/21/11 06:11 PM
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The official version of what happened on 9-11 reported by the 9-11 commission report is a complete fabrication and spun propaganda written and directed by an expert in the field of public myth. His name is Philip D. Zelikow, the executive director of the 9-11 commission.
Learn all about him on this thread. Nothing but the facts. You like facts right? http://mingle2.com/topic/show/309125 |
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I'm guessing it will get no replies.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 08/21/11 08:27 PM
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The 9-11 truth movement is just getting started.
Try as they may, the government will not "destroy" it. They will only claim that it has been debunked or destroyed. They may say that over and over and over until some of population begins to repeat it as if it were true. Most people are too lazy to look at the facts or even think about them. They don't want to. They would rather turn a blind eye and then go about their daily lives as usual. |
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You "Truther's" probably think Auschwitz was a 5 Star Hotel also right?
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 08/21/11 09:33 PM
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You "Truther's" probably think Auschwitz was a 5 Star Hotel also right? Why don't you spend some time learning THE FACTS and stop being rude and sarcastic? |
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I'm not, if you believe in one you have to believe in the other.
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Well by your logic I think you are lying about there being no evidence. So until you have access to all top secret data and can verify there is no evidence even if it is classified I will call your posts lies. Lies Lies Lies.
Balls in your court. Get the highest level of security clearance and go through everything and get back to us. |
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I'm not, if you believe in one you have to believe in the other. That is not an intelligent remark. I will no longer respond to your remarks. |
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Well by your logic I think you are lying about there being no evidence. So until you have access to all top secret data and can verify there is no evidence even if it is classified I will call your posts lies. Lies Lies Lies. Balls in your court. Get the highest level of security clearance and go through everything and get back to us. My posts can all be verified as facts. But then, you obviously don't want the facts. |
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Well by your logic I think you are lying about there being no evidence. So until you have access to all top secret data and can verify there is no evidence even if it is classified I will call your posts lies. Lies Lies Lies. Balls in your court. Get the highest level of security clearance and go through everything and get back to us. My posts can all be verified as facts. But then, you obviously don't want the facts. You cant verify there is not proof that is classified for w/e reason. Until you can prove that I will call your claim of lies, lies. balls in your court. |
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You do not want to know the truth. I will no longer respond to your posts.
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I'm not, if you believe in one you have to believe in the other. That is not an intelligent remark. I will no longer respond to your remarks. Sure it is, because the probability of 9/11 being an inside job is the same as Auschwitz being a 5 Star Hotel. |
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I'm not, if you believe in one you have to believe in the other. That is not an intelligent remark. I will no longer respond to your remarks. Sure it is, because the probability of 9/11 being an inside job is the same as Auschwitz being a 5 Star Hotel. no but its the same people behind both |
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Edited by
volant7
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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1 But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman sorry you fail try again http://www.abovetopsecret.com was taken over by the government years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgGC9W-ks8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LEljS3ib84 http://www.youtube.com/user/mrvolant7#p/a/u/0/BKeq7ss4hUU |
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