So we are supposed to believe that no one actually saw that plane? That the air traffic controller lied. That the missile was so large that was massive enough to penetrate the building before exploding yet no one saw it. I mean this couldn't be some jet fighter missile to do that.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

So are you saying missiles don't have giant landing gear?

You kids crack me up. My main points were

A. Why did they allow the plane to fly unmolested into the pentagon

B. How did novice flyers who could barley fly a Cesna and were described as idiots behind the wheel of a plane by their flight instructors preform the sophisticated manouvers that allowed them to hit directly into the wall of the Pentagon.

I have never directly said I didnt think it was a plane but the possability of it being a missle is just as likely as it was a plane in my mind, given the fact that nothing at all flys over washington without clearance and men train every day for a sneak attack to defend it.



Again it is all pretty far fetched when one looks objectivly at the evidence.

I cant imagine how any thinking adult cannot agree.

The didnt have jets scrambled in the Area. The towers were already hit and people were preoccupied. Fighters never go up without orders. Anyway I am not sure of all the internal workings etc but I am sure they wouldnt just shoot something down without thinking about it. I mean if they shot it down over citizens homes or people etc it may have been worse.

Anyway with the damage to the building and the evidence of a plane striking it etc I dont see how anyone could think it was a missile. Not to mention 1 person opinion doesnt mean a whole lot. Just because they were "idiots" doesnt make them unskilled.

They couldnt fly a cessna. There is no way "they were to busy to defend the Pentagon. Gee I hope no one starts WW3 because we cant even defend our airspace over the Pentagon.

Do you realy wonder why so many people quistion the 911 fable?

None that I have ever seen has.

well maybe you dont. I am sure there are some repeats of CSI on or maybe some wwwf but most adults who are bringing up children into this mad world would like to see it better.

I don't watch CSI or follow the World Wildlife Fund............

If you tell a lie often enough, some will see it as the truth.

The best lies have a hint of truth to make them easier to swallow.

That's what the "Truthers" do.

Like the myth that Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attack on the world trade center? That lie was first broadcast 33 minutes after the attack and has been repeated so many times that anyone who doesn’t believe it are considered crazy.

I guess they wanted to get an early start on telling the lie.

Yet I never saw or heard any credible evidence that Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with the 9-11 attacks, let alone being the “mastermind.”

Do you believe that lie because it has been repeated so many times?

The truth of it is, Osama Bin Laden, who was on the FBI’s most wanted list, was not even listed as being wanted for the attack on the World Trade Center because they said themselves they did not have enough evidence to connect him with it. This is FACT.

If you are a big fan of the facts, then I have a lot more facts that I will show you. Unless you are one who only looks at facts that support your current held beliefs, I think you will be convinced that 9-11 was an inside job.

The deeper I look into the 9-11 facts the more convinced I am that the official story is a complete fabrication. It is not even worthy of being called a bad “government conspiracy theory.” It is not a theory of anything, it is just fiction and pure propaganda.

I would actually rather believe the official version because the alternative version is so horrendously dark and sinister that it shocks me to the core of my being.

The people who are spinning the fabrication of the official 9-11 commission are severely lacking in imagination and scientific expertise not to mention moral fiber.

The Popular Mechanics article and book about 9-11 has been debunked ten fold by experts that put them to shame. But rest assured, the powers that be don’t care about that because they know that the largest portion of the population are too dumbed down, apathetic and lazy to spend any time looking into or at the real facts. They will believe what they are told and do as they are told.

So the creators of all the official trumped up, fabricated, unscientific reports and official propaganda will stroke each other’s egos and give reference to each other as authorities and expertise on what happened on 9-11 over and over and over –often enough that eventually a large percentage of the population will believe it because they are too lazy to read and study the real facts.

The hostile takeover of Popular Mechanics was done by Cathleen P. Black, president of Hearst Magazines in order to steal the credibility it may have had in the past. It is no longer a credible magazine as the senior editor-in-chief Joe Oldham and other long term employees were sent packing. Joe Oldham was given 90 minutes to clear out his office.

Go ahead and do a google search with the key words: joe oldham popular mechanics. You will probably find an article about him "retiring" but he was forced to "retire" or else.

I just did a search on that, and here is a paragraph written by rense.com.

“A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.” ~~ rense.com

Also
The so-called senior researcher of the 9-11 debunking article Benjamin Chertoff, for the article, is a cousin of the head of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff and Cathleen Black is married to Thomas E. Harvey, who has worked for the CIA, the Department of Defense, and the US Information Agency. That they are cousins was confirmed by Benjamin’s mother, but Benjamin himself answered the question with “I don’t know.” Of course he wasn’t under oath or on a polygraph machine.-

(Attorney General Michael Chertoff is a devoted and dedicated Zionist and supporter of Israel. ~ Christopher Bollyn, journalist.)

You claim its a lie but there is no evidence he isnt behind it. Just like the Casey Anthony trial didn't have evidence doesn't mean she didnt do it it just means she couldn't be convicted. A lack of evidence doesn't make one innocent it merely means they cant be proven guilty.

I am not saying you have to believe it. I am just saying you shouldnt call something a lie unless you can prove with facts that it is. You can't in this case.

I call it A LIE.

The ball in now in their court. They have to prove it is true.

I was doing some research, and one question came to mind...

How come Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was not put on trial by the ICC at The Hague?

They are independent and international, and a case like this would have allowed them to adapt to international terrorism charges. I was looking at the alleged 9/11 plan which KSM was being charged with, and there were a number of targets listed outside the U.S., even if they were not to be attacked on the same day. Hence, it begs the question.

I'm still not convinced 9/11 was an inside job. I will continue to do some research my own way, but truth is there is past precedent, means, motive, and opportunity for it being a terrorist attack by a muslim cell. And truth be told, we don't have access to the alleged evidence, such as the hard drive, as private citizens, making everything we come up with simply circumstantial.

Furthermore, there is a long-standing anti-Israel and anti-U.S. sentiment amongst radical muslims. I know where the anti-Israel sentiment comes from. The anti-U.S. sentiment is what is debatable. And suicide bombers don't do what they do for money or power. They usually don't do it because of coercion either. They do it for personal beliefs, whether honor or righteousness or vengeance. There could be brainwashing involved, but when dealing with hundreds or thousands of people, that becomes increasingly unlikely except in the case of a minority.

Still, why set up the ICC if we aren't going to allow it to be a part of the solution?

A civilian trial (their excuse) would be "too expensive."

I suspect they would rather put him on trial in their own (kangaroo court)in Guantanamo bay. A civilian trial, if it were to be publicized, (as it should be but won't be) might uncover a lot of "classified" stuff.

He was also tortured... (waterboarded 183 times)and they don't really want that talked about.

Here is a news link on that subject:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/911-mastermind-khalid-sheikh-mohammed-military-commission/story?id=13291750