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Edited by
Chazster
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There is so much evidence that Al-Qaida terrorists brought the WTC towers down on 911 and no evidence at all to the contrary! It's more like the other way around I'm afraid. al queada admitted responsibility for 911. where's this 'other way around' evidence of which you speak? not the personal innuendo you've been spouting. actual evidence. The Bin Ladin tapes are fake!! No he did not admit it. They even admitted that it was an old tape. Pay attention! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JwRe5i_VDQ&feature=player_embedded Clearly the are fakes. Don't be so gullible. Do you actually believe that propaganda?? I don't see anything clearly fake there and I recognize the voice of the guy narrating and he is a conspiracy nut that has his own radio show. He says its clearly a cartoon etc. The video isn't even high enough quality to look like a cartoon. Get a video specialists with no history of following conspiracies to do an analysis and if he can show with science reasons to think its fake I will believe him. I give no credit to radio hosts though. I don't like that guy either, but there are plenty more videos and opinions. I have yet to see a Bin laden video that is not really bad or fake. So where is YOUR proof that Osama Bin Laden admitted responsibility on any video tape? Where is it? Show me your proof. The burden of proof is on you people who make the claim. No you are making a claim that it is fake. I also think that the fact that he was in hiding and made no claims that it wasn't him point to the story being true. He knew people were hunting for him. Don't you think he is smart enough to try to claim innocence if he really was innocent? Sending information to other countries in the UN would be my first step if I were him. He had 10 years to claim innocence and didnt. Except in the immediate aftermath he DID. Yes our own news says that and that he later stated he did. Now if it was a conspiracy and he didn't do it why would the government let that out if they control the media? |
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There is so much evidence that Al-Qaida terrorists brought the WTC towers down on 911 and no evidence at all to the contrary! It's more like the other way around I'm afraid. al queada admitted responsibility for 911. where's this 'other way around' evidence of which you speak? not the personal innuendo you've been spouting. actual evidence. If you want it bad enough you can find it, I won't do your work for you, especially if you're just gonna take a crap on it. No point. I have better things to do than waste time on someone who isn't gonna listen. WEAK SAUCE! That is what you fall back no time and time again! SHOW YOUR PROOF! You are beginning to sound a lot like a classic Liberal! Politically I disagree a lot with jrbogie but this time even he is asking you to prove your words and this is your answer AGAIN? WE HAVE TO PROVE YOU WRONG WHEN WE OFFER PROOF OF THAT? You CAN'T back your position, can you? You just are itching to justify hating our government for any reason! No I CAN back it, but if you're just gonna refute anything I say, what the hell is the point? Like I said before, I won't put my pearls before swine. That is Bull my friend! Think what you want, I really don't give a damn, but until you can show me you actually are open minded enough to debate instead of just call me crazy, the point stands. I don't care either. The thing is that when weighing the evidence and sources against one another the conspiracy theorists fall very short. The same as hurling a football about three feet out of 100 yards. |
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Well apparently everyone likes to take the credit for 9-111. The alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks has admitted his role in them, and 30 other plots in a hearing at Guantanamo Bay, the Pentagon says. "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z," said Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a partial transcript from a closed-door hearing. He also claims he was tortured at Guantanamo Bay. I don't know... It think these guys are just soldiers. I think they take orders from someone higher than Osama Bin Laden. Al-Qaida was responsible. Everyone associated with the 911 attacks was from Al-Qaida. Osama Bin Laden was the leader of Al-Qaida. There was no one in the organization higher than Bin Laden and Bin Laden did not take orders from anyone else apparently. There was\is a governing council(basically) but Bin Laden had the final say in all actions carried out by the group. |
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Well apparently everyone likes to take the credit for 9-111. The alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks has admitted his role in them, and 30 other plots in a hearing at Guantanamo Bay, the Pentagon says. "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z," said Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a partial transcript from a closed-door hearing. He also claims he was tortured at Guantanamo Bay. I don't know... It think these guys are just soldiers. I think they take orders from someone higher than Osama Bin Laden. Al-Qaida was responsible. Everyone associated with the 911 attacks was from Al-Qaida. Osama Bin Laden was the leader of Al-Qaida. There was no one in the organization higher than Bin Laden and Bin Laden did not take orders from anyone else apparently. Okay let's assume that is true. Let's assume that there was no one at all working on the inside of our government. Let's assume these terrorists did this all completely on their own. This means that what they said in that video about us being "stupid" and about the attack with planes being "so easy" is true. How incompetent are we that we did not heed the many warnings that just this kind of attack was going to happen. Then we just sit there for a whole hour between the first attack and the last plane and still we have not done anything to prevent this attack from continuing. What else was going on that we were so pre-occupied that we let this happen? Was there really an attempt at an assassination and coup? If so who was behind the coup? Who would have taken over the country if Bush had been killed in that attempt? Or are we as stupid and unprotected as Al-Qaeda said? I don't think anyone has ever said we didn't srop the ball. We had intelligence at the end of Clinton's Presidency from the Mossad that a large scale attack by AQ was going to happen possibly a hijacking and we were even given the name of a couple potential attackers. Not to mention the military should have had aircraft in the air at the first hint of a hijacking and the orders should have been shoot the plane down if it doesn't comply and that order wasn't given until 2 of the planes hit the towers. |
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Something broke down in the chain of command. Nasa claims they were not informed of the hijacked planes until later. They should have had fighter planes there in seconds... this is New York, close to our capitol. Fighters should have been there!! Where were they? First of all NASA doesn't order fighters to go up. Second, we had F-15's in the air in New York right after both planes hit the towers and they basically closed off the airpace in New York with orders to shoot down any passenger plane that appears to be hijacked and doesn't comply with orders. This should have been done immediately. The moment we heard a rumor of a plane being hikacked we should have intercepted it. Now ANY hint of trouble on a plane, a fight, rowdy pasenger whatever they send F-18's or F-22's to escort the flight. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 08/05/11 01:45 AM
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Something broke down in the chain of command. Nasa claims they were not informed of the hijacked planes until later. They should have had fighter planes there in seconds... this is New York, close to our capitol. Fighters should have been there!! Where were they? why would you want fighters going up to commercial aircraft? the planes had citizens in them. you and kleisto have been talking a lot, but producing NOTHING. several people have provided links, have you taken the time to look at them? i know kleisto has NOT because he avoids the points to say he will not cast pearls before swine (when did he start believing things written in the bible). both you and kleisto have beliefs that have merit, but do you want people to convert to your belief before you produce your facts? do you only show evidence to people who already believe as you do? instead of this tit for tat game you play, show your cards and let everyone examine them and make up their own minds The problem is, you people already seem to have your minds made up, and if that's the case little that we say or show is gonna convince you of anything because to you this was a terrorist act and that's all there is to it. What's the point of showing you something if you won't believe it anyway? That energy is better spent on someone who actually wants the truth, not someone who is content to believe the lies. |
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Something broke down in the chain of command. Nasa claims they were not informed of the hijacked planes until later. They should have had fighter planes there in seconds... this is New York, close to our capitol. Fighters should have been there!! Where were they? why would you want fighters going up to commercial aircraft? the planes had citizens in them. you and kleisto have been talking a lot, but producing NOTHING. several people have provided links, have you taken the time to look at them? i know kleisto has NOT because he avoids the points to say he will not cast pearls before swine (when did he start believing things written in the bible). both you and kleisto have beliefs that have merit, but do you want people to convert to your belief before you produce your facts? do you only show evidence to people who already believe as you do? instead of this tit for tat game you play, show your cards and let everyone examine them and make up their own minds The problem is, you people already seem to have your minds made up, and if that's the case little that we say or show is gonna convince you of anything because to you this was a terrorist act and that's all there is to it. What's the point of showing you something if you won't believe it anyway? That energy is better spent on someone who actually wants the truth, not someone who is content to believe the lies. It is possible that you are mistaken. There is no evidence of a conspiracy at all but there is overwhelming evidence that it was an Al-Qaida terrorist attack. Without factual evidence the conspiracy theories are nothing more than a fantasy. |
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Something broke down in the chain of command. Nasa claims they were not informed of the hijacked planes until later. They should have had fighter planes there in seconds... this is New York, close to our capitol. Fighters should have been there!! Where were they? why would you want fighters going up to commercial aircraft? the planes had citizens in them. you and kleisto have been talking a lot, but producing NOTHING. several people have provided links, have you taken the time to look at them? i know kleisto has NOT because he avoids the points to say he will not cast pearls before swine (when did he start believing things written in the bible). both you and kleisto have beliefs that have merit, but do you want people to convert to your belief before you produce your facts? do you only show evidence to people who already believe as you do? instead of this tit for tat game you play, show your cards and let everyone examine them and make up their own minds The problem is, you people already seem to have your minds made up, and if that's the case little that we say or show is gonna convince you of anything because to you this was a terrorist act and that's all there is to it. What's the point of showing you something if you won't believe it anyway? That energy is better spent on someone who actually wants the truth, not someone who is content to believe the lies. and you don't seem to have your mind made up? |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 08/05/11 04:17 AM
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Something broke down in the chain of command. Nasa claims they were not informed of the hijacked planes until later. They should have had fighter planes there in seconds... this is New York, close to our capitol. Fighters should have been there!! Where were they? why would you want fighters going up to commercial aircraft? the planes had citizens in them. you and kleisto have been talking a lot, but producing NOTHING. several people have provided links, have you taken the time to look at them? i know kleisto has NOT because he avoids the points to say he will not cast pearls before swine (when did he start believing things written in the bible). both you and kleisto have beliefs that have merit, but do you want people to convert to your belief before you produce your facts? do you only show evidence to people who already believe as you do? instead of this tit for tat game you play, show your cards and let everyone examine them and make up their own minds The problem is, you people already seem to have your minds made up, and if that's the case little that we say or show is gonna convince you of anything because to you this was a terrorist act and that's all there is to it. What's the point of showing you something if you won't believe it anyway? That energy is better spent on someone who actually wants the truth, not someone who is content to believe the lies. and you don't seem to have your mind made up? That isn't the point. I'm not gonna just tell you everything you should know if you will just reject it anyway. You want the truth? Prove to me you can actually handle it first, or want to know it. Otherwise we'll just go in circles as is evidenced by this thread. |
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That isn't the point. I'm not gonna just tell you everything you should know if you will just reject it anyway. You want the truth? Prove to me you can actually handle it first, or want to know it. Otherwise we'll just go in circles as is evidenced by this thread. How can you expect others to change their minds when you are not willing to do the same? Is it at all possible that maybe, just maybe, the overwhelming evidence disproving the conspiracy are correct? |
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I think there is sufficient evidence to prove that an internet troll is present.
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." Seldom is there a more emotion invoking topic than 9/11. An endless supply of undocumented and unverifiable obnoxious claims with science, fact, or reason having no mitigating effect would indicate that the poster is not trying to make legitimate points. He/she is just looking for a venue to insult others. |
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Something broke down in the chain of command. Nasa claims they were not informed of the hijacked planes until later. They should have had fighter planes there in seconds... this is New York, close to our capitol. Fighters should have been there!! Where were they? why would you want fighters going up to commercial aircraft? the planes had citizens in them. you and kleisto have been talking a lot, but producing NOTHING. several people have provided links, have you taken the time to look at them? i know kleisto has NOT because he avoids the points to say he will not cast pearls before swine (when did he start believing things written in the bible). both you and kleisto have beliefs that have merit, but do you want people to convert to your belief before you produce your facts? do you only show evidence to people who already believe as you do? instead of this tit for tat game you play, show your cards and let everyone examine them and make up their own minds The problem is, you people already seem to have your minds made up, and if that's the case little that we say or show is gonna convince you of anything because to you this was a terrorist act and that's all there is to it. What's the point of showing you something if you won't believe it anyway? That energy is better spent on someone who actually wants the truth, not someone who is content to believe the lies. and you don't seem to have your mind made up? That isn't the point. I'm not gonna just tell you everything you should know if you will just reject it anyway. You want the truth? Prove to me you can actually handle it first, or want to know it. Otherwise we'll just go in circles as is evidenced by this thread. Either that or you got no hard evidence....Hmmm... |
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That isn't the point. I'm not gonna just tell you everything you should know if you will just reject it anyway. You want the truth? Prove to me you can actually handle it first, or want to know it. Otherwise we'll just go in circles as is evidenced by this thread. How can you expect others to change their minds when you are not willing to do the same? Is it at all possible that maybe, just maybe, the overwhelming evidence disproving the conspiracy are correct? No it's not, not in the least. I KNOW I am right. If you could prove me wrong I'd be open to it, but there isn't enough evidence to. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 08/05/11 06:57 AM
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Something broke down in the chain of command. Nasa claims they were not informed of the hijacked planes until later. They should have had fighter planes there in seconds... this is New York, close to our capitol. Fighters should have been there!! Where were they? why would you want fighters going up to commercial aircraft? the planes had citizens in them. you and kleisto have been talking a lot, but producing NOTHING. several people have provided links, have you taken the time to look at them? i know kleisto has NOT because he avoids the points to say he will not cast pearls before swine (when did he start believing things written in the bible). both you and kleisto have beliefs that have merit, but do you want people to convert to your belief before you produce your facts? do you only show evidence to people who already believe as you do? instead of this tit for tat game you play, show your cards and let everyone examine them and make up their own minds The problem is, you people already seem to have your minds made up, and if that's the case little that we say or show is gonna convince you of anything because to you this was a terrorist act and that's all there is to it. What's the point of showing you something if you won't believe it anyway? That energy is better spent on someone who actually wants the truth, not someone who is content to believe the lies. and you don't seem to have your mind made up? That isn't the point. I'm not gonna just tell you everything you should know if you will just reject it anyway. You want the truth? Prove to me you can actually handle it first, or want to know it. Otherwise we'll just go in circles as is evidenced by this thread. Either that or you got no hard evidence....Hmmm... Of course make me the liar, how typical. Like I said, prove me you really want the truth and I'll answer any questions you got. Pretty simple, put up or shut up. Otherwise, I'm not gonna bother. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 08/05/11 06:59 AM
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I think there is sufficient evidence to prove that an internet troll is present. "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." Seldom is there a more emotion invoking topic than 9/11. An endless supply of undocumented and unverifiable obnoxious claims with science, fact, or reason having no mitigating effect would indicate that the poster is not trying to make legitimate points. He/she is just looking for a venue to insult others. Cause seeking the truth is soooooooo insulting right? Heaven forbid I don't do like the rest of the sheep and just obey and trust good mother government like a good slave. After all they'd NEVER lie to us right? 
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I do believe I've had enough of this, I don't have the energy for this bullcrap anymore. Think whatever you want, you'll have to face reality soon enough.
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Okay, I want the truth I can handle the truth. Where is your hard proof? Proof that disproves the overwhelming majority of experts that disagree with you? I can take it.
................. pfft (btw, does this proof of your have anything to do wit the secret society of reptilian alien overlords who rule the world? Or is that different?) ...troll? |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Fri 08/05/11 08:12 AM
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Well apparently everyone likes to take the credit for 9-111. The alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks has admitted his role in them, and 30 other plots in a hearing at Guantanamo Bay, the Pentagon says. "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z," said Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a partial transcript from a closed-door hearing. He also claims he was tortured at Guantanamo Bay. I don't know... It think these guys are just soldiers. I think they take orders from someone higher than Osama Bin Laden. and this is supposed to be a "smoking gun"? how do you know that OBL didn't order him to do it? The chain of command starts at the top, and **** rolls downhill, remember?. and it also says "partial transcript", so that means information was left out. Since nobody knows what this information is, how do you know the part where he says "OBL ordered me to do it" was left out? this whole statement is weak at it's best, nobody has all the information. |
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That isn't the point. I'm not gonna just tell you everything you should know if you will just reject it anyway. You want the truth? Prove to me you can actually handle it first, or want to know it. Otherwise we'll just go in circles as is evidenced by this thread. How can you expect others to change their minds when you are not willing to do the same? Is it at all possible that maybe, just maybe, the overwhelming evidence disproving the conspiracy are correct? No it's not, not in the least. I KNOW I am right. If you could prove me wrong I'd be open to it, but there isn't enough evidence to. And Adolph Hitler was knew he was right in his final solution too! |
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Something broke down in the chain of command. Nasa claims they were not informed of the hijacked planes until later. They should have had fighter planes there in seconds... this is New York, close to our capitol. Fighters should have been there!! Where were they? why would you want fighters going up to commercial aircraft? the planes had citizens in them. you and kleisto have been talking a lot, but producing NOTHING. several people have provided links, have you taken the time to look at them? i know kleisto has NOT because he avoids the points to say he will not cast pearls before swine (when did he start believing things written in the bible). both you and kleisto have beliefs that have merit, but do you want people to convert to your belief before you produce your facts? do you only show evidence to people who already believe as you do? instead of this tit for tat game you play, show your cards and let everyone examine them and make up their own minds The problem is, you people already seem to have your minds made up, and if that's the case little that we say or show is gonna convince you of anything because to you this was a terrorist act and that's all there is to it. What's the point of showing you something if you won't believe it anyway? That energy is better spent on someone who actually wants the truth, not someone who is content to believe the lies. and you don't seem to have your mind made up? That isn't the point. I'm not gonna just tell you everything you should know if you will just reject it anyway. You want the truth? Prove to me you can actually handle it first, or want to know it. Otherwise we'll just go in circles as is evidenced by this thread. Yet we tell you everything knowing you will reject it anyway. That is just a lame excuse. |
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