Topic: Couple Asked to Reverse Pro-Gay Marriage Shirt
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Mon 08/01/11 07:19 AM







What a miserable choice to have to make just to please others all your life.

There is no way that a gay person should marry someone of the opposite sex and live a lie, It is wrong on all levels.


I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I was merely saying its their choice. Who are you to say they shouldn't marry the opposite sex if that is what they want? I am saying no matter if you or gay or not your relationship is your choice.


How would you feel if you had gotten married, then found out your wife was gay, but felt she needed to pretend to be straight to live a normal life?

How would that make it not her choice? I am not arguing what is right or wrong just that it is a choice. Are you denying that it would be her choice?


Where did I say that wasn't her choice to do that? I was just asking, as you had brought it up. How would you feel if you were lied to because she felt she had to make that choice in order to live a normal life?

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Mon 08/01/11 07:22 AM









What a miserable choice to have to make just to please others all your life.

There is no way that a gay person should marry someone of the opposite sex and live a lie, It is wrong on all levels.


I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I was merely saying its their choice. Who are you to say they shouldn't marry the opposite sex if that is what they want? I am saying no matter if you or gay or not your relationship is your choice.



How would you feel if you had gotten married, then found out your wife was gay, but felt she needed to pretend to be straight to live a normal life?

How would that make it not her choice? I am not arguing what is right or wrong just that it is a choice. Are you denying that it would be her choice?


You could also choose to call yourself Houdini. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying you'd be making a choice.

Apropos of nothing, but one good turn of the 'Persuasive Definition' fallacy deserves another.


-Kerry O.

So people don't chose who they date? There is no fallacy in saying you chose who you date. I find it no different than people who chose to date inter-racially or not. Some people find other races attractive but still chose not to date them for whatever reason. Some don't care and will date any race. It is a choice. Some people are bi sexual and the can go both ways and they still make a choice. You are just trying to discredit me because you can't discredit what I say. I agree attraction is not a choice but actions are.


Now you're saying a gay person choosing to date a straight person is the same as people who choose to date inter-racially or not? Really?

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Mon 08/01/11 07:25 AM










What a miserable choice to have to make just to please others all your life.

There is no way that a gay person should marry someone of the opposite sex and live a lie, It is wrong on all levels.


I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I was merely saying its their choice. Who are you to say they shouldn't marry the opposite sex if that is what they want? I am saying no matter if you or gay or not your relationship is your choice.



How would you feel if you had gotten married, then found out your wife was gay, but felt she needed to pretend to be straight to live a normal life?

How would that make it not her choice? I am not arguing what is right or wrong just that it is a choice. Are you denying that it would be her choice?


You could also choose to call yourself Houdini. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying you'd be making a choice.

Apropos of nothing, but one good turn of the 'Persuasive Definition' fallacy deserves another.


-Kerry O.

So people don't chose who they date? There is no fallacy in saying you chose who you date. I find it no different than people who chose to date inter-racially or not. Some people find other races attractive but still chose not to date them for whatever reason. Some don't care and will date any race. It is a choice. Some people are bi sexual and the can go both ways and they still make a choice. You are just trying to discredit me because you can't discredit what I say. I agree attraction is not a choice but actions are.


Now you're saying a gay person choosing to date a straight person is the same as people who choose to date inter-racially or not? Really?

I am saying it is only the same as they are both a choice. Just like what to major in college and what to eat for lunch are the same in the fact they are both choices.

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Mon 08/01/11 07:27 AM








What a miserable choice to have to make just to please others all your life.

There is no way that a gay person should marry someone of the opposite sex and live a lie, It is wrong on all levels.


I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I was merely saying its their choice. Who are you to say they shouldn't marry the opposite sex if that is what they want? I am saying no matter if you or gay or not your relationship is your choice.


How would you feel if you had gotten married, then found out your wife was gay, but felt she needed to pretend to be straight to live a normal life?

How would that make it not her choice? I am not arguing what is right or wrong just that it is a choice. Are you denying that it would be her choice?


Where did I say that wasn't her choice to do that? I was just asking, as you had brought it up. How would you feel if you were lied to because she felt she had to make that choice in order to live a normal life?

who said thats why she made that decision? I can't say how I would feel as that has never happened to me or anyone I know. I find that irrelevant to the point at hand.

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Mon 08/01/11 07:37 AM
Alrighty. There's no point in arguing about this with you.

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Mon 08/01/11 07:43 AM

Alrighty. There's no point in arguing about this with you.

I never saw the point in the first place. what is the point in arguing how you would feel about a decision? I wasn't for or against it. I was only saying people make a conscious choice to date anyone same gender or not. Some women marry a guy for money even if they didn't love him. Again its just a choice they made.

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Mon 08/01/11 07:52 AM
Ok :thumbsup:

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Mon 08/01/11 05:32 PM









What a miserable choice to have to make just to please others all your life.

There is no way that a gay person should marry someone of the opposite sex and live a lie, It is wrong on all levels.


I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I was merely saying its their choice. Who are you to say they shouldn't marry the opposite sex if that is what they want? I am saying no matter if you or gay or not your relationship is your choice.


How would you feel if you had gotten married, then found out your wife was gay, but felt she needed to pretend to be straight to live a normal life?

How would that make it not her choice? I am not arguing what is right or wrong just that it is a choice. Are you denying that it would be her choice?


You could also choose to call yourself Houdini. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying you'd be making a choice.

Apropos of nothing, but one good turn of the 'Persuasive Definition' fallacy deserves another.


-Kerry O.

So people don't chose who they date? There is no fallacy in saying you chose who you date. I find it no different than people who chose to date inter-racially or not. Some people find other races attractive but still chose not to date them for whatever reason. Some don't care and will date any race. It is a choice. Some people are bi sexual and the can go both ways and they still make a choice. You are just trying to discredit me because you can't discredit what I say. I agree attraction is not a choice but actions are.



No actually, I'm choosing to discredit what you say, not you personally.

You're choosing to take it personally. I'm using your own logic against your ARGUMENTS, and you're choosing to read more into it than that and to not like it. You could just choose to agree with me, and you could choose to drop the semantic charades. :)


-Kerry O.

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Mon 08/01/11 05:37 PM










What a miserable choice to have to make just to please others all your life.

There is no way that a gay person should marry someone of the opposite sex and live a lie, It is wrong on all levels.


I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I was merely saying its their choice. Who are you to say they shouldn't marry the opposite sex if that is what they want? I am saying no matter if you or gay or not your relationship is your choice.


How would you feel if you had gotten married, then found out your wife was gay, but felt she needed to pretend to be straight to live a normal life?

How would that make it not her choice? I am not arguing what is right or wrong just that it is a choice. Are you denying that it would be her choice?


You could also choose to call yourself Houdini. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying you'd be making a choice.

Apropos of nothing, but one good turn of the 'Persuasive Definition' fallacy deserves another.


-Kerry O.

So people don't chose who they date? There is no fallacy in saying you chose who you date. I find it no different than people who chose to date inter-racially or not. Some people find other races attractive but still chose not to date them for whatever reason. Some don't care and will date any race. It is a choice. Some people are bi sexual and the can go both ways and they still make a choice. You are just trying to discredit me because you can't discredit what I say. I agree attraction is not a choice but actions are.



No actually, I'm choosing to discredit what you say, not you personally.

You're choosing to take it personally. I'm using your own logic against your ARGUMENTS, and you're choosing to read more into it than that and to not like it. You could just choose to agree with me, and you could choose to drop the semantic charades. :)


-Kerry O.


It's just like the choice of being gay or lesbian or not.

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Mon 08/01/11 05:56 PM











What a miserable choice to have to make just to please others all your life.

There is no way that a gay person should marry someone of the opposite sex and live a lie, It is wrong on all levels.


I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I was merely saying its their choice. Who are you to say they shouldn't marry the opposite sex if that is what they want? I am saying no matter if you or gay or not your relationship is your choice.


How would you feel if you had gotten married, then found out your wife was gay, but felt she needed to pretend to be straight to live a normal life?

How would that make it not her choice? I am not arguing what is right or wrong just that it is a choice. Are you denying that it would be her choice?


You could also choose to call yourself Houdini. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying you'd be making a choice.

Apropos of nothing, but one good turn of the 'Persuasive Definition' fallacy deserves another.


-Kerry O.

So people don't chose who they date? There is no fallacy in saying you chose who you date. I find it no different than people who chose to date inter-racially or not. Some people find other races attractive but still chose not to date them for whatever reason. Some don't care and will date any race. It is a choice. Some people are bi sexual and the can go both ways and they still make a choice. You are just trying to discredit me because you can't discredit what I say. I agree attraction is not a choice but actions are.



No actually, I'm choosing to discredit what you say, not you personally.

You're choosing to take it personally. I'm using your own logic against your ARGUMENTS, and you're choosing to read more into it than that and to not like it. You could just choose to agree with me, and you could choose to drop the semantic charades. :)


-Kerry O.


It's just like the choice of being gay or lesbian or not.


Except just like heterosexuals, homosexuals are born with their personal attractions so it is deeper than a choice.

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Mon 08/01/11 06:04 PM












What a miserable choice to have to make just to please others all your life.

There is no way that a gay person should marry someone of the opposite sex and live a lie, It is wrong on all levels.


I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I was merely saying its their choice. Who are you to say they shouldn't marry the opposite sex if that is what they want? I am saying no matter if you or gay or not your relationship is your choice.


How would you feel if you had gotten married, then found out your wife was gay, but felt she needed to pretend to be straight to live a normal life?

How would that make it not her choice? I am not arguing what is right or wrong just that it is a choice. Are you denying that it would be her choice?


You could also choose to call yourself Houdini. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying you'd be making a choice.

Apropos of nothing, but one good turn of the 'Persuasive Definition' fallacy deserves another.


-Kerry O.

So people don't chose who they date? There is no fallacy in saying you chose who you date. I find it no different than people who chose to date inter-racially or not. Some people find other races attractive but still chose not to date them for whatever reason. Some don't care and will date any race. It is a choice. Some people are bi sexual and the can go both ways and they still make a choice. You are just trying to discredit me because you can't discredit what I say. I agree attraction is not a choice but actions are.



No actually, I'm choosing to discredit what you say, not you personally.

You're choosing to take it personally. I'm using your own logic against your ARGUMENTS, and you're choosing to read more into it than that and to not like it. You could just choose to agree with me, and you could choose to drop the semantic charades. :)


-Kerry O.


It's just like the choice of being gay or lesbian or not.


Except just like heterosexuals, homosexuals are born with their personal attractions so it is deeper than a choice.

I agree with this point. The attraction is not a choice but a relationship is. You cant control your attraction.

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Mon 08/01/11 08:07 PM













What a miserable choice to have to make just to please others all your life.

There is no way that a gay person should marry someone of the opposite sex and live a lie, It is wrong on all levels.


I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I was merely saying its their choice. Who are you to say they shouldn't marry the opposite sex if that is what they want? I am saying no matter if you or gay or not your relationship is your choice.


How would you feel if you had gotten married, then found out your wife was gay, but felt she needed to pretend to be straight to live a normal life?

How would that make it not her choice? I am not arguing what is right or wrong just that it is a choice. Are you denying that it would be her choice?


You could also choose to call yourself Houdini. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying you'd be making a choice.

Apropos of nothing, but one good turn of the 'Persuasive Definition' fallacy deserves another.


-Kerry O.

So people don't chose who they date? There is no fallacy in saying you chose who you date. I find it no different than people who chose to date inter-racially or not. Some people find other races attractive but still chose not to date them for whatever reason. Some don't care and will date any race. It is a choice. Some people are bi sexual and the can go both ways and they still make a choice. You are just trying to discredit me because you can't discredit what I say. I agree attraction is not a choice but actions are.



No actually, I'm choosing to discredit what you say, not you personally.

You're choosing to take it personally. I'm using your own logic against your ARGUMENTS, and you're choosing to read more into it than that and to not like it. You could just choose to agree with me, and you could choose to drop the semantic charades. :)


-Kerry O.


It's just like the choice of being gay or lesbian or not.


Except just like heterosexuals, homosexuals are born with their personal attractions so it is deeper than a choice.

I agree with this point. The attraction is not a choice but a relationship is. You cant control your attraction.


The hell you cant!

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Mon 08/01/11 08:18 PM
I can't control who I'm attracted to.

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Mon 08/01/11 08:39 PM

I can't control who I'm attracted to.
me, neither.

even when i know that my attraction is generally for the reeeeally bad boys...the untamed...

*sighs* so i choose not to date at all, cause giving into that gets me into trouble, lol.

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Mon 08/01/11 08:54 PM
I can completely control who im attracted to. I am with women because I choose to be with women.

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Mon 08/01/11 09:19 PM

I can completely control who im attracted to. I am with women because I choose to be with women.


Well, yes, but that's different than what I'm talking about. I can't pick and choose which specific men I'm attracted to. I can choose whether to do something about it, but not whether or not I'm attracted to them.

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Mon 08/01/11 09:22 PM


I can completely control who im attracted to. I am with women because I choose to be with women.


Well, yes, but that's different than what I'm talking about. I can't pick and choose which specific men I'm attracted to. I can choose whether to do something about it, but not whether or not I'm attracted to them.


Sure you can.

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Mon 08/01/11 09:33 PM
Hey, if you can choose who you're attracted to, good for you. But, I can't. It isn't something to argue about, as I'm not going to change my mind.

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Mon 08/01/11 09:35 PM

Hey, if you can choose who you're attracted to, good for you. But, I can't. It isn't something to argue about, as I'm not going to change my mind.


are you attracted to any women?

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Mon 08/01/11 09:41 PM
I think some women are very attractive. Attracted to them as in wanting to be in a relationship with them? No.