Ah the AP news just released this...

OSLO, Norway (AP) — Police arrived at an island massacre about an hour and a half after a gunman first opened fire, slowed because they didn't have quick access to a helicopter and then couldn't find a boat to make their way to the scene just several hundred yards (meters) offshore. The assailant surrendered when police finally reached him, but 82 people died before that.

Survivors of the shooting spree have described hiding and fleeing into the water to escape the gunman, but a police briefing Saturday detailed for the first time how long the terror lasted — and how long victims waited for help.

The shooting came on the heels of what police told The Associated Press was an "Oklahoma city-type" bombing in Oslo's downtown: It targeted a government building, was allegedly perpetrated by a homegrown assailant and used the same mix of fertilizer and fuel that blew up a federal building in the U.S. in 1995.

In all, at least 92 people were killed in the twin attacks that police are blaming on the same suspect, 32-year-old Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik.

"He has confessed to the factual circumstances," Breivik's defense lawyer, Geir Lippestad, told public broadcaster NRK. Lippestad said his client had also made some comments about his motives.

"He's said some things about that but I don't want to talk about it now," the lawyer told NRK.

Norwegian news agency NTB said the suspect wrote a 1,500-page manifesto before the attack in which he attacked multiculturalism and Muslim immigration. The manifesto also described how to acquire explosives and contained pictures of Breivik, NTB said. Oslo police declined to comment on the report.

A SWAT team was dispatched to the island more than 50 minutes after people vacationing at a campground said they heard shooting across the lake, according to Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim. The drive to the lake took about 20 minutes, and once there, the team took another 20 minutes to find a boat.

Footage filmed from a helicopter that showed the gunman firing into the water added to the impression that police were slow to the scene. They chose to drive, Sponheim said, because their helicopter wasn't on standby.

"There were problems with transport to Utoya," where the youth-wing of Norway's left-leaning Labor Party was holding a retreat, Sponheim said. "It was difficult to get a hold of boats."

At least 82 people were killed on the island, but police said four or five people were still missing.

Divers have been searching the surrounding waters, and Sponheim said the missing may have drowned. Police earlier said there was still an unexploded device on the island, but it later turned out to be fake.

The attack followed the explosion of a bomb packed into a panel truck outside the building that houses the prime minister's office in Oslo, according to a police official

"It was some kind of Oklahoma City-type bomb," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because police hadn't released the information.

Seven people were killed, and police said there are still body parts in the building. The Oslo University hospital said it has so far received 11 wounded from the bombing and 19 people from the camp shooting.

Police have charged Breivik under Norway's terror law. He will be arraigned on Monday when a court decides whether police can continue to hold him as the investigation continues.

Authorities have not given a motive for the attacks, but both were in areas connected to the Labor Party, which leads a coalition government.

Even police confessed to not knowing much about the suspect, but details trickled out about him all day: He had ties to a right-leaning political party, he posted on Christian fundamentalist websites, and he rented a farm where police found 9,000-11,000 pounds (4,000-5,000 kilograms) of fertilizer.

Police said the suspect is talking to them and has admitted to firing weapons on the island. It was not clear if he had confessed to anything else he is accused of.

"He has had a dialogue with the police the whole time, but he's a very demanding suspect," Sponheim said.

Earlier in the day, a farm supply store said they had alerted police that he bought six metric tons of fertilizer, which can be used in homemade bombs. That's at least one metric ton more than was found at the farm, according to police.

Police and soldiers were searching for evidence and potential bombs at the farm south of Oslo on Saturday. Havard Nordhagen Olsen, a neighbor, told The Associated Press that Breivik moved in about one moth ago, just next to his house and said he seemed like "a regular guy."

Olsen said he recognized his neighbor in the newspapers this morning and said he was in shock.

Meanwhile, Mazyar Keshvari, a spokesman for Norway's Progress Party — which is conservative but within the political mainstream — said that the suspect was a paying member of the party's youth wing from 1999 to 2004.

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg called the tragedy peacetime Norway's deadliest day.

"This is beyond comprehension. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare for those who have been killed, for their mothers and fathers, family and friends," Stoltenberg told reporters Saturday.

Gun violence is rare in Norway, where the average policeman patrolling in the streets doesn't carry a firearm. Reports that the assailant was motivated by political ideology were shocking to many Norwegians, who pride themselves on the openness of their society. Indeed, Norway is almost synonymous with the kind of free expression being exercised by the youth at the political retreat.

King Harald V, Norway's figurehead monarch, vowed Saturday that those values would remain unchanged.

"I remain convinced that the belief in freedom is stronger than fear. I remain convinced in the belief of an open Norwegian democracy and society. I remain convinced in the belief in our ability to live freely and safely in our own country," said the king.

The monarch, his wife and the prime minister led the nation in mourning, visiting grieving relatives of the scores of youth gunned down. Buildings around the capital lowered their flags to half-staff. People streamed to Oslo Cathedral to light candles and lay flowers; outside, mourners began building a makeshift altar from dug-up cobblestones. The Army patrolled the streets of the capital, a highly unusual sight for this normally placid country.

The city center was a sea of roadblocks Saturday, with groups of people peering over the barricades wherever they sprang up, as the shell-shocked Nordic nation was gripped by reports that the gunman may not have acted alone. Police have not confirmed a second assailant but said they are investigating witness reports.

The queen and the prime minister hugged when they arrived at the hotel where families are waiting to identify the bodies. Both king and queen shook hands with mourners, while the prime minister, his voice trembling, told reporters of the harrowing stories survivors had recounted to him.

On the island of Utoya, panicked teens attending a Labour Party youth wing summer camp plunged into the water or played dead to avoid the assailant in the assault. A picture sent out on Twitter showed a blurry figure in dark clothing pointing a gun into the water, with bodies all around him.

The carnage hours earlier in Oslo, when a bomb rocked the city where the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded, left a square covered in twisted metal, shattered glass and documents expelled from surrounding buildings.

The dust-clogged scene after the blast reminded one visitor from New York of Sept. 11.

A 15-year-old camper named Elise who was on Utoya said she heard gunshots, but then saw a police officer and thought she was safe. Then he started shooting people right before her eyes.

Elise, whose father didn't want her to disclose her last name, said she hid behind the same rock that the killer was standing on. "I could hear his breathing from the top of the rock," she said.

She said it was impossible to say how many minutes passed while she was waiting for him to stop.

At a hotel in the village of Sundvollen, where survivors of the shooting were taken, 21-year-old Dana Berzingi wore pants stained with blood. He said the fake police officer ordered people to come closer, then pulled weapons and ammunition from a bag and started shooting.

Several victims "had pretended they were dead to survive," Berzingi said. But after shooting the victims with one gun, the gunman shot them again in the head with a shotgun, he said.

Earlier, the police official who spoke on condition of anonymity said the attack "is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Center." Domestic terrorists carried out the 1995 attack, while foreign terrorists were responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

The United States, European Union, NATO and the U.K., all quickly condemned the bombing, which Britain's Foreign Secretary William Hague called "horrific" and NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen deemed a "heinous act."

"It's a reminder that the entire international community has a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring," President Barack Obama said.

Obama extended his condolences to Norway's people and offered U.S. assistance with the investigation. He said he remembered how warmly Norwegians treated him in Oslo when he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.

Britain's Queen Elizabeth II wrote to Norway's King Harald to offer her condolences and express her shock and sadness at the shooting attacks in his country.

A U.S. counterterrorism official said the United States knew of no links to terrorist groups and early indications were the attack was domestic. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was being handled by Norway.

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And now back to me and MY opinion!
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So when your life hangs by a thread who are you going to trust? At least if there were a few armed citizens present this would not have been so tragic!

Welcome to a failure in dependency on police to protect you! Welcome to a failure OF Gun Control.

Yep, treat us all like children! If one armed citizen would have shot this guy sooner how many lives would have been spared? the local PD gave this guy 1 and a half hours to kill!

Wonder why I don't trust others to save me? Well, DENMARK BABY! I bet there are Texans who swear by Jesus that something like this will never ever happen in Texas again!

And considering the guy doing the shooting targeted a left wing youth event and he was right wing in personal politics...

Oh you WACKY liberals. So is this how you solve your arguments with society?

Yeah yeah, he was just one guy. But blame the guns now...

Come on, Lets hear it...

agreed , andy... just one gun could have saved how many people? but now, instead of the obvious, they will probably put armed security forces on these islands, instead of just letting people have a gun...

The really not so funny but funny part is,,,.,.,. it never happens that way,

The people with their own guns NEVER SAVE THE DAY!!!

They have been there at the shoot ups and THEY NEVER SAVE THE DAY!!!!

So although this is always the talk, the walk never happens....

Research: Concealed Carry and Guns Save Lives

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By The Armed Citizen on Jun 1, 2010
JACKSON, Wis. -- Guns save lives, and are necessary for protection. That's according to research from David Burnett and Clayton Cramer, who track incidents of defensive gun use at TheArmedCitizen.com.

The stories include senior citizens fighting off robbers, and women defending themselves against rapists or attackers, proving armed citizens prevent violent crimes everywhere from restaurants and grocery stores to banks, coffee houses and pizza parlors.



"We've documented 2,160 stories of self-defense with guns since May 2007 – the same time frame the VPC used," said Burnett. "When it comes to concealed carry permits, we have 153 documented cases across 26 states with at least 550 lives saved."

That is not an unbiased reliable source so no good for verification of anything

Plus no link provided.

so true

i would say don't by a gun then...your obviously not going to help out if needed, so your right in the fact that some people just don't need them...

I am not anti gun, I am anti bullshyte.

It never happens that way at any of the shoot ups.

But that is always the talking point but not the walking point.

you said "The people with their own guns NEVER SAVE THE DAY!!!"
never? and how do you know this? i have had to pull mine three times in my life, and never had to shoot anyone. so how can you say "never" when you don't know what would have happened if someone didn't pull out a gun?

Even the gun puller doesn't know they saved any lives in the one on one situations but that is not what we are discussing here anyway.

Never in any shoot ups has a gun carrier saved lives. The shooter continues to shoot people and there are always many deaths and if they are lucky the shooter shoots himself but NO GUN CARRIER EVER HELPS IN THE MASS SHOOTINGS, NEVER!

Proof again you offer opinion. I could dig up a horrendous amount of new articles of people coming to the rescue of others with guns and cases where armed citizens saved the lives of police officers. Then there are a buttload of stories where home invasion robberies ended horridly for the criminals. First and foremost in a hot situation like this the objective is to find a safe position, and try to identify the bad guy. the thing is to open carry people should be trained by police how to properly respond. You act like gun owners just buy one, strap it on, and play Dirty Harry. You forget all the training offered out there even for free in a lot of cases because it is owner awareness AND TRAINING that make carried weapons safe. he last person to own a gun is someone like Homer Simpson. To me an idiot like that with a gun is terrifying.

And one thing I can tell you for a fact is that having bullets flying at you is one of the most azzhole tightening experiences ANYONE could ever have. I have been there with a Sound Hunter. That is the kind of stupid jack off who fires into bushes hoping to bag a deer. I was sitting in an obvious blind and the fuque shot into my blind three times. Thank GOD bad hunters are also BAD SHOTS! I would bet money if people trained and carried openly and legally concealed crime would be cut down a lot! THAT WAS PROVEN IN WYOMING AND FLORIDA WHERE YOU CAN KEEP A LOADED GUN IN THE GLOVE BOX OF YOUR CAR! And not a lot of people screw around in Texas. Same in Arizona and Oregon! A bank robbery in Oregon was foiled when the robbers found themselves hastily outgunned by patrons. The idiots chose payday when the bank was full, full of people carrying concealed guns. That was one some of my mom's cop friends used to laugh about. Most of the crap happens in pu$$y whipped states like California.

If you are so anti BS then why do you taker the BS stand? You act like no one is responsible. What part of TRAINING goes over your head? I have long been an advocate of integrating civilians into the police force in a more intimate manner than we have now. The idea is not to allow the situation to decay to the point where people have to resort to vigilante justice to protect themselves. We have police violence because they are so separated from the population they are supposed to be protecting. The difference is that most police do not have a true vested interest in the area they serve. They get a big head and forget their place in the order of things. Then they put on the stomping boots. This ends when the cops know that the people like in the days of the old west when called would be there for them but likewise be on them if they themselves broke he law. it is clear to me you have no clue what life was really like in the old west. it was not all Jessie James like people like to fantasize about. Thugs like Batt Masterson usually shot people in the back but they were such a minority. Even Juaquine was a celebrity because he was a lawless murderer but again criminals of that caliber were such a minority unlike today. I think his pickled head is still on display. Most of the time visitors HAD to check in their iron at the sheriff's station. If not they were met by the sheriff and an armed party of men to collect the weapons. Even Pancho Villa had to chose his targets carefully because on more than one occasion he actually was foiled by armed citizens. Yes he was successful but not without casualties. And he used a large group of men to commit crime.

If you want to end gun violence change the heart of mankind!

You can't prove anything you said..lol.

In the mass shootings the gun carriers NEVER SAVE THE DAY, NEVER!

All your typing wasted because it doesn't prove anything to this issue.

Buullllshyte is still bullshyte.

Liberal, here ... well, sorta ... I blame the guy (yet another right-wing nutjob, huh?), not the gun. I am not anti-gun, I own a pistol myself. A gun is inanimate and cannot make decisions. Hell, maybe I'm not anti-gun JUST SO that I can own one.

While I don't necessarily agree that "one citizen with a gun" would've made all the difference in ALL situations (I think more often than not, they'd get themselves and others killed), I still think the fact that "in a disarmed society only criminals carry guns" should weigh more than most other concerns with firearms and with armed citizens there's at least a CHANCE of smaller body counts in said situations.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HAHAH AHA HAHAHAH...

ROTFL

I am not looking this up for you. It would waste my time. I wasn't in Hollywood when that went down. Had I been there I would have maneuvered behind them clowns and deerslugs to the back of their heads. All the body armor in the world and all of the Meth Amphetamine in California isn't saving a target from a deer slug to the head even wearing a helmet. Now had I have been able to take the shot, let alone anyone with BALLS to defend their homes, and done one or two of those bastard Eastern Eurotrash in the police would have been a little irked but as long as the shooter was able to maintain shot placement and only killed bad guys they wouldn't have said SQUAT. If anything everyone would be calling that person a hero. It was a gun store owner handing the cops HUNTING RIFLES AND ASSAULT WEAPONS when the police were able to stop those men. So right there is an example of a responsible gun owner saving the day by handing the police some real criminal stopping horse power when they desperately needed it!

SO I JUST PROVED YOU WRONG ON ACCIDENT!

Tee Hee!

I am conflicted when it comes to guns.

Since guns do kill when they get dropped or strapped incorrectly and get into the sons hands etc... they are dangerous on their own and then you have a bunch of nut jobs who think of a gun as a power play so they can intimidate and all kinds of other bizarre crap.

I believe that gun toters should only be allowed to kill intentionally or accidentally other gun toters to make it fair. So the gun toters with a brain gets to deal with the gun toters without one. It is fair that way. Accidentally/intentionally killing each other or otherwise since they believe that gun is so great.

Instead of innocents having to deal with crazy gun toters.

On the other side of that coin, I can see the advantages of having a gun and it being an advantage in certain extreme situations.

I don't know which side of the coin outweighs the other for me.

But the bullshyte of those gun toters saving the day in the case of the mass shooting we have witnessed, they NEVER NEVER DO and they are present in the events.

So it is bullshyte that they save the day in the mass shoot ups.

I lived in Alabama for over a year. It cost about $10.00 for a gun permit. Everyone and their grandmother has a concealed weapon. My mother-in-law carried one in her purse. Some guy tried to car jack her and rob her while she was sitting in her car at a light. She reached into her purse and aimed her gun at him. He only had a knife. Too bad. He ran away.

Crime was very low there. (Dothan) I only heard of one robbery while I was there, and the lady being robbed shot the robber in a supermarket parking lot.

HELL YES!

HOO RA TO THAT!

That is why I am all about training. It cuts down on people foolishly pulling a gun to stop a crime and becoming a victim. the reality of it is most of the time you just need to shoot a criminal in the back and call the time and placement of the shot to not accidentally hurt an innocent. Depending on the gun the bullets can go through people. Like driving a car safe gun ownership is about TRAINING!

One of the biggest mistakes a NEWBIE with a gun does is they tell people they got one. "Oh don't mess with me, I have a gun." That translates out to "Get you azz beaten down, you gun taken and more than likely used on you too!" Training cuts down no accidents and stupidity!

Since people want to take this to an extreme what about that guy that went nuts in San Diego and took an Abrams tank for a ride. Imagine if he had loaded some shells on it.

Yikes!

Still, had he of locked the hatch from the inside and he not have gotten hung on a Jersey wall he could have done a lot more damage than he had done. The police actually were considering using heavy earth movers commandeered from construction sites to box it in but providence landed right in their laps.

Now we all don't get to own tanks but a nut case stole one from a military base. So are guns any different? If there is a place to steal them they will be stolen!

That didn't prove anything at all

Bullshyte is still bullhsyte.

None of which changes the fact that no gun toter ever saves the day at mass shootings EVER!