I haven't read this book;

Over the past two centuries researchers have found bones and artifacts showing that people like ourselves existed on earth millions of years ago. But the scientific establishment has ignored these remarkable facts because they contradict the dominant views of human origins and antiquity. Cremo and Thompson challenge us to rethink our understanding of human origins, identity, and destiny. Forbidden Archeology takes on one of the most fundamental components of the modern scientific world view, and invites us to take a courageous first step towards a new perspective.


Forbidden Archaeology

What's underground science? People who are trying to convince the public that scientists are doing things against their own nature and calling, because they, for whatever reason, are too comfortable with a stagnant truth?

this is pure applied conspiracy bcrap. Sorry. If a scientist thinks that way, he is stupid, ignorant, and not a scientist. It is against he very vein of science to hush up important findings that can help us reshape our view of the world.

What could possibly be a motivation for a scientist to stop scientific progress? If you answer that first, so I can buy it, I'll buy then this bullcrp about hushed up scientific evidence.

Underground scientists and contra-science and alternative science (what the effing sht is that?) are terms to describe a special form of schizophrenia.

ETC., in this same vein. I mean I could go on for pages, but essentially I'd be repeating myself. There is no scientific revolution that scientists would oppose if the revolution was based on the scientific method. Shoot, I just said I wouldn't go on.

What happened to you, Jenniebean? Are you trying to build a bomb to blow up the world? You used to be very smart and sensible. Now you are only smart of the two. I mourn your sanity.

I have heard of people finding evidence of modern humans existing millions of years ago. I think it might be a possibility. If there is evidence, why would anyone ignore it?

Why is it that every time I even peek outside of the box..or look into anything not accepted or approved by the status quo do people get all bent out of shape and start calling me "stupid?"

And why do people always resort to the term "conspiracy bullcrap?" or "conspiracy theory?" as if none ever existed?

Do you seriously think that there are no conspiracies in this world?

Seriously?

Is it only when a conspiracy gets exposed that people start to realize that there is INDEED conspiracies going on? Duh.

What has happened to the investigative spirit? Does everyone just sit on their behinds waiting for the official story to be presented to them? Does no one ever ask questions?

Do people just ignore all information that does not fit with what they want to believe or with what they have been told??

Just because I examine a lot of information does not mean I believe any of it.

Most people read the Bible and believe all of that. What does that tell you? Then they defend it as if it is the Gospel truth, not to be disputed.

That makes no sense to me at all.

And wuz, do you know any real cutting edge scientists? Do you know the problems they face in academia or are you just repeating something you heard?

I guess "underground science" could be anything not accepted by academia, I didn't write the quoted material. I bet there are scientists working on things that are not really known or common knowledge. Its not all regulated and its not all public knowledge.

Lots of "classified" stuff going on.

Sounds interesting. I would disagree with Wux on this. I do believe that the scientific community is stifled by the religious powers that be for one. To make science follow what is "morally right" has to be done at the expense of factuality We know the "morally just" do not care for the real factual matters anyway.

It's really quite sad, that we no longer question things much either religiously or politically. But that's what you get when you have a government trying to create a nation of sheep with no minds of their own. It's pretty much what we have anymore.

I question, I read further

http://www.xmission.com/~tlacy/mom.txt

wux and msharmony are right.
nice link btw.


http://www.xmission.com/~tlacy/mom.txt

Thanks for the link, msharmony.

If that information is true, then it is evidence that there are frauds and conspiracies hatched by people who have some sort of agenda.

If any of these archaeological sites were closed down and made off limits, then that is evidence that there are apposing forces with their own agenda.

In this case I'm not sure what the agenda was, because if their claims turned out to have merit, they would tend to discredit both evolution and the Biblical story of Genesis.

Like I said, I have not read the book.

But everyone has an agenda.

Don Patton has strong ties to the creationist movement. So his agenda is probably against evolution.

Carl Baugh is a fundamentalist minister with very little knowledge of geology. I would imagine he too wants to discredit evolution.

Okay, here are two people with religious agendas.

How many other thousands of religious zealots are out there dredging up frauds and fake evidence, even fake scrolls or scriptures to try to prove their religion is true?

And for how long has this sort of thing been going on?

So what have ye to say about they pyramids? Who built them and how?

Are the pyramids a fraud?

In another thread I was told that "Christianity" was not a big fraud hatched by the Romans and mixed with the old law (old testament.)

Why would anyone do such a thing?

But Christianity has a lot of pagan holidays (remodeled into Christianity of course.)

But how dare I question how that all happened? How dare I suggest "fraud."

And yet, as we see, people do hatch frauds --- so now you know.

What do you think about the Shroud of Turin? Fraud, fake, or something weird?

The Shroud of Turin is a centuries old linen cloth that bears the image of a crucified man. A man that millions believe to be Jesus of Nazareth. Is it really the cloth that wrapped his crucified body, or is it simply a medieval forgery, a hoax perpetrated by some clever artist? Modern science has completed hundreds of thousands of hours of detailed study and intense research on the Shroud. It is, in fact, the single most studied artifact in human history, and we know more about it today than we ever have before. And yet, the controversy still rages. This web site will keep you abreast of current research, provide you with accurate data from the previous research and let you interact with the researchers themselves. We believe that if you have access to the facts, you can make up your own mind about the Shroud. Make sure you visit the page where you can Examine the Shroud of Turin for yourself. We hope you enjoy your visit.

Here is what is sad. People don't question authority.

If their "authority" is the Bible, they are all over me when I question that, and they attempt to present their so-called proof that the Bible is accurate history. There are tons and tons of websites out there on the Internet defending the Bible, naming so-called archaeological evidence to prove their point that the Bible is absolutely true.

If their "authority" is science, they are all over me when I question that, and some of them will use ridicule and arrogant insults rather than any kind of polite argument.

I don't believe the pyramids were made by the primitive people. We don't even have the technology to build anything like that today. Stones have been found cut and put together with such precision that nothing we have today duplicate it.

So what say ye about this?

Who perpetrated the fraud of the pyramids?

I believe this guy did know the secrets of the pyramids.

http://www.history.com/videos/mysteries-of-floridas-coral-castle#floridas-coral-castle

I saw years ago a doc. where he would not let them watch and had to turn the cameras away as he put a several ton stone onb a 4 or 5 ft high flatbed truck. as they turned the camera u heard a thud and they swung back around and the stone was on the truck. i personally do not believe in aliens that helped build stuff long ago but that at one time we believed we could do things and the earth is at our beck and call u might say to do it.. Even Yahshua and Gen. says this. we use very little of our minds and know very little about it. but the capabilities are in all of us we just have to figure out how and to believe we can..IMO..Blessings Miles

as far as your pyramid question...(who built them and how) I can answer that one. Atlanteans that the Egyptians mistook for Gods. In particular I am certain it was Thoth, as his home on the Astral plane is the exact same shape, with a crystal capstone, that is missing from the great pyramids in Egypt. (stolen and broken apart by greedy idiots.) He used a crystal technology which will focus the user's thoughts through the crystal wand, enabling the movement and even shaping of pretty much any weight of any material, or even the creation of the material from thin air. Just don't ask me to prove it.

Very interesting video!

The guy did use the term "extra-terrestrial technology" at the end of it. But that black box may have been the key. Very interesting...

So......

How about it skeptics? A fraud or not?

Coral Castle is a lesser technology than the one I mentioned, it is just anti-gravity. Nothing special. I do think that it is quite interesting however, the similarities between the clues in Coral Castle, (on how to make your own anti-gravity device) and the corresponding information on the walls of various Freemason lodges. (Notably two of them in PA.)

I resent that you brought this up in connection with my comment. Read the first comment under your opening post. I even spelled out you are smart, and I did not call you stupid at all whatsoever.

But to say that there is an alternative science is insanity.

Yes, to answer many who said "yeah, conspiracies exist", I agree. But each conspiracy serves a purpose for the conspirator. A purpose that is egotistic, that may be damaging to the world at large, and the conspirators get to benefit a great deal. Yes, I agree, these things exist.

But what would the scientific community as a whole gain from keeping it secret, that humanity has existed for millions of years, instead of for one hundred thousand years?

How and why would the life of, and benefits to, scientists change, if the world was all of a sudden told that humantiy has existed about fifty times longer than scientists have been saying?

Really.

I am quite -- nay, I am absolutely sure that there is no motivating emotion, reason, reward, or anything else, to deny this fact if it were true.

So I ask those who believe this secretive conspiration to hide the real age of humanity to tell me why they believe this theory is denied by scientists? What would they gain or lose if they agreed to uncover this fact?

Smarts and intelligence have nothing to do with insanity. Insanity can attack the mind or the emotive system, or the ability to respond to social situations normally. Many make the mistake that insanity causes imbecility. NO, it does not. Maybe it appears to do so. But jeanniebean is not stupid. She just has lost some sense of her better judgement, is my feeling. I can only explain the fact that she lacks the necessarily critical skills to see that a conspiracy that does not benefit the conspirators would never become to exist. This is a critical judgement error, and it is not based on stupidity, but on an error of judgment, which can be a sign of insanity.

I am not a psychiatrist, so my opinion is not a diagnosis. I am not trying to convince anyone, as I have no basis to do so. I am simply stating my opinion. My opinion is that someone smart can't say something so stupid, if something was not wrong. The only thing that can be wrong other than stupidity is a sense of loss of better judgement. It is a given that Jeanniebean is not stupid. So in my opinion, she lost her better sense of judgment.

First of all wux, I am saner than you.

Secondly, what "judgement" are you referring to? What Judgement do you imagine I have made? -- I always reserve judgement.

I live in a world where 85% of the people I meet and know believe the unproven fictional stories of the Bible, a 2000 year old book. and worship an invisible man in the sky they call God.

I live in a world where people are waiting patiently for the end of the world and for their savior to come out of a cloud in the sky and take them to heaven.

And you call me "insane?"
You need to take a look around.
Watch the 700 club if you want to see insane.



To believe that current science has all the answers is simply foolish.

There are still mysteries that have not been solved. (I hope they don't solve them all, because most people, even scientists, are too insane to have that kind of knowledge.

I think people who refuse to question 'authority' are insane.

I consider the possibility that our scientific knowledge may be wrong. That does not mean I am saying they are wrong or that I have made the judgement they are wrong. I consider the possibility.

That does not make me insane.

If you want to see "insane" then watch the news.

Watch the 700 club. Those people are freaking wacked.

Jeanniebean


In another thread I was told that "Christianity" was not a big fraud hatched by the Romans and mixed with the old law (old testament.)

Why would anyone do such a thing?

But Christianity has a lot of pagan holidays (remodeled into Christianity of course.)

But how dare I question how that all happened? How dare I suggest "fraud."



And yet, as we see, people do hatch frauds --- so now you know.

What do you think about the Shroud of Turin? Fraud, fake, or something weird?

The Shroud of Turin is a centuries old linen cloth that bears the image of a crucified man. A man that millions believe to be Jesus of Nazareth. Is it really the cloth that wrapped his crucified body, or is it simply a medieval forgery, a hoax perpetrated by some clever artist? Modern science has completed hundreds of thousands of hours of detailed study and intense research on the Shroud. It is, in fact, the single most studied artifact in human history, and we know more about it today than we ever have before. And yet, the controversy still rages. This web site will keep you abreast of current research, provide you with accurate data from the previous research and let you interact with the researchers themselves. We believe that if you have access to the facts, you can make up your own mind about the Shroud. Make sure you visit the page where you can Examine the Shroud of Turin for yourself. We hope you enjoy your visit.


to secretly infiltrate and change things over time.you dont see christians joining satanic cults and doing that. but thats what there up to.they bought all the companys that make schoolbooks in the 1930s.thats why you believe what you do.i used to too untill my eyes were opened.as a kids alot of stuff just didnt make sense.untill my eyes were opened and i understood why everything was messed up.dec 25 is a pagan holiday. the birth of the sun.i got bad news the pope is evil.so you see it all comes down from there.
we need christians to become secret high satanic priests and screw up there religion like they did to us.they told you in school that all the stuff was stolen out of the pyramids.you were brainwashed and never looked into it did you.they must have put something in there that they wanted to keep really safe and people to know about in the future.there are pyramids all over the world.thats the big secret.