.......a mature man should know by the time he turns 40

1. The difference between love and lust

2. How to change a tire, a diaper and a womans mind.

3. When to hold on when to let go.

4. Your capacity for intimacy and alcohol

5. Basic Carpentry, plumbing and automotive repair.

6. Advanced foreplay

7. At least one woman whose love for you besides your mother is enduring and substanstial

8. Trouble when you see it.

9. True love when you see it.

10. A load of bull when you hear it.

11. The symptoms of PMS

12. your Strengths and weaknesses

13.the Art of seduction

14. How to fast and slow dance.

15.Realize that your wife (lover, girlfriend) is not your mother.

16. A woman’s erogenous zones

17. How to negotiate the inevitable compromise of a romantic relationship in ways that keep both sides as happy as possible.

18. What you want out of life and how to go for it

19. Which medical test you need

20. How to make money, dinner, conversation and love.

21. How to start a fire in a hearth and a heart

22. A realistic plan to secure your retirement

23. How to unhook a bra with one hand - in the dark.

24. Where to get breakfast/gas/and a prescription at 2:00 in the morning

25. How to give a toast and receive a complement.

26. How to be gracious in victory and defeat

27. When to talk and when to listen.

28. At least one true friend who will be there for you whenever you call

29. The ten commandments

30. The fundamental workings of the female psych

31. The importance of trying to follow them

32. How to close a deal

33. Your way around a kitchen

34. The futility of unrequited love

35. How to open a bottle of champagne

36. What really matters

37. What doesn't.

38. the power and magic of a good woman.

39. What other people think of you.

40. Your own needs and another persons ability to fulfill them.

I'm wondering if it wouldn't also be helpful for a mature woman to know exactly the same things?

I read down the list and was ticking them off for myself...

I think it's a good list but rather than seeing it as a list of expectations I think it should be used as a personal checklist as Jess had suggested

or a maturity checklist - if you can undertand this list and the guy you're seeing cannot???? ummm....may be time to rethink some things

and most if not all of the items on the list can apply to both genders - a few of them I see as applying mostly to men - like knowing female erogenous zones and plumbing

Crap and more Crap

Oh, I almost forgot, women are not qualified to define Manhood.

boy, you don't want much, do you ?

Something tells me you don't fit into most of those, since you think it's crap.

women are not qualified to define Manhood.

so its crap

Maybe if you were a bit more secure in your manhood, you wouldn't be offended?

Perhaps you'd like to explain manhood to me, since you think Im offended.

Truth is: let women define manhood and we get "Nice Guys"; the kind you don't want
because their wishy-washy milkly-toast amoebas.

No fire in the belly, no guts, no will, your favorite door mat.

Now do you think Men should define Womanhood? Am I qualified?

Do you want a man or a robot? Those are pretty ambitious expectations! It is too much for any human being!

I'd argue this on the grounds that there is not now, nor will there ever be, any reason for me to know how to change a diaper. As for changing a woman's mind, I don't see that as my job.



I find it a little disturbing that these are linked in this way. But then I don't drink, so I guess my capacity for alcohol is zero.



It would be nice, but I haven't got it. Does that make me immature? I don't know....



I can't think of anything more irrelevant to my life. Except maybe changing a diaper.



I can't cook at all, and it doesn't matter.



Again, it would be nice but I don't have that. I really don't see how that makes me immature, per se.



I'd argue this one, too. Religion = maturity? I see some problems there.



If men knew this, we wouldn't have all these problems.



I'm fine as long as I don't bump into the table.



No thanks.



Diapers, champagne, cooking, and dancing don't matter to me. Now I've thrown a wrench into the whole equation.



I'll let you know when one turns up.



They're gonna think what they're gonna think. If I wasted any time worrying about it, I'd never get anything done.



I know my own needs and I know no one has the ability to fulfill them. So I guess I got one point, anyway.

I think that list is a bit out there but however it is only one person's opinion and doesn't speak for all women.

I second most of these, Lex

WOWSER now that's a list!

To Dream The Impossible Dream. . . . . .

Thanks, Bry. I mean, what's the message here? "You're not mature unless you conform to MY priorities." How does THAT work? I could make up a bunch of arbitrary stipulations, too, and say you're not mature or you're not worthwhile or you're not productive or whatever unless you conform to MY standards, but that wouldn't prove anything except that I was intolerant and had an overblown view of my own value system.

I guess I just don't see myself as being in a position to tell people how to be mature. I have my own perception of what that means and I really have no desire to impose it on anybody else.

Exactly. Well said, Lex.

Lighten up a little.