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The basic premise of a god is extremely simplistic in nature. Its the same kind of single solution that lazy thinkers today use. Think about it, marketers of miracle cures are super successful? Why? Its a simple, single thing anyone can do, and its so compelling. I mean who wants to spend all this time figuring out what wrong with this incredible complex system when instead they can pretend to have the answer and its magic water? or god. Nature is complex. Its hard to understand, but its rational, and can be understood. The lazy minded cannot not have an answer, and they also do not desire the effort that is Science, so instead opt for the path of least resistance to the feeling of satisfaction that is achieved when one convinces themselves they know something. God is the easy answer to why things are the way they are, the problem is that it doesn't really explain ANYTHING. Anyone who is honest knows this, and the honest people of the religious do not try, they always accept that there fate is not to know, in this way God as a concept is the enemy to knowledge, it allows the complexity of life to be disregarded and the person doing the disregarding to feel good about that. This is very true. But science does not have all the answers of course and it is doubtful if they ever will, at least not in our lifetime. When a scientist's mind is boggled what does he do? He tries to imagine a solution. Sometimes it is accepted, sometimes not. But there are so many things going on that seem miraculous, even to scientists. What I have seen is that they run away from the really strange mysteries because to be found seriously pursuing them can mean an end to their career. UFO's, crop circles, etc. Too much time spent even investigation this can cast a bad light on them. I have heard this over and over. Still the brave and the bold scientist will venture out there and they will risk being laughed at for their "crazy" ideas. If an intelligent force operates in this universe or this reality (other than human) and people keep looking for it, it will be found. Answers will be found. |
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I don't believe we have a 'true observation point'. We have senses, and we have the ability to have experiences (dreams, hallucinations, OBEs, and more) not limited by our senses.
Well it would sure be difficult enough to 'locate' and observation point that seems to keep moving and is not dependent on five senses. I once popped out of my body and found my observation point in the sky above the clouds. It was so vivid and real I was certain that my entire body was up there and I was about to fall to my death. Then I realized it was an OBE. My observation point changed in a split second and then it was on the ground in the grass. Then the next instant I was back in my body. This was not astral travel as it was instantaneousness, clear and vivid. so you never actually saw your body when you were up there? |
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I don't believe we have a 'true observation point'. We have senses, and we have the ability to have experiences (dreams, hallucinations, OBEs, and more) not limited by our senses.
Well it would sure be difficult enough to 'locate' and observation point that seems to keep moving and is not dependent on five senses. I once popped out of my body and found my observation point in the sky above the clouds. It was so vivid and real I was certain that my entire body was up there and I was about to fall to my death. Then I realized it was an OBE. My observation point changed in a split second and then it was on the ground in the grass. Then the next instant I was back in my body. This was not astral travel as it was instantaneousness, clear and vivid. so you never actually saw your body when you were up there? No. I was way above the clouds. |
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Wasn't there a poll done recently where many scientists believe in a God? I thought I read that somewhere in the not so distant past. Just wondering.
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/07/poll-finds-one-third-of-american-scientists-believe-in-god/ This is just for American scientists but it will give you an idea. There is also more studies (which I can not find right now, they were from when I took Psychology) of the drop in religious belief through the education levels. As I recall High School graduates had the highest religious beliefs percentage and the higher the degrees the less of the beliefs percentage. It also was low for the people who did not graduate High School. But to defend religion on these studies there are very few people who get educated past a Bachelors anyways, and the people who did not graduate high school probably do not believe in much of anything, not even themselves... |
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First you would need to determine by whose definition of characteristics, and attributes assigned to god that you would rely on. Remember that some religions believe that god is all things and is everywhere at at the same time. That might indicate that the god being worshipped is something like Einstien's idea of the spacetime fabric of the universe.
Einstein's theories has been tested. All we'd have to do is decide what effects god has on the universe. Do people that pray for (whatever) get better results than people who do not? Not according to the study they you presented. I don't know that you could ever determine that becasue we know, today, that the emotional and psychological state of mind plays a considerable role in an individuals heath. State of mind is typically a function of beliefs and emotions. Religious rituals and prayers have the same effect on some people, as trust in the medical staff and the treatments being provided have to others. It all relevant and there is no way to tell one from another as long as they end in the same helpful or harmful state of mind... |
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Ask and it is given.
You would be astonished how this works. Not just with visualization and prayer, but with people too. If you don't know or state what you want, it may never materialize. First, to ask for something you have to know what you want. You would be surprised how many people are unhappy but don't know what they want. Just knowing what you want can aid in the getting of it. Next you have to intend to have it. Not wish and hope....INTEND. Then ask for it. Command the universe to deliver it. Order it. Pray for it. Place your order. etc. This is how to pray. Only picture and visualize what you want to get or happen, not the opposite. |
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Edited by
TexasScoundrel
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Wed 03/30/11 12:20 AM
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A god would create universes, hear and answer prayers and perform miracles. That is the traditional idea of god.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 03/30/11 06:44 AM
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People don't believe in God because they don't know what God is.
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People don't believe in God because they don't know what God is. I don't believe in god because of the lack of evidence. Also because the concept makes no sense. |
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A god would create universes, hear and answer prayers and perform miracles. That is the traditional idea of god. Thats the traditional monotheistic religious concept of god. Its not the Deist concept of god. |
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People don't believe in God because they don't know what God is. I don't believe in god because of the lack of evidence. Also because the concept makes no sense. "A person who declares there is no God is like a forest who declares there are no trees." ~jeanniebean 07:36 |
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"A person who declares there is no God is like a forest who declares there are no trees."
~jeanniebean 07:36 That does not equal out there, the god or gods are suppose to be the larger than life idea, a forest is just a group of trees. You could relate it to "A person who declares there is no god is like a person in the tropics claims snow does not exist. Just because they have never seen it...lol Even that idea is still lacking but it is closer to the same idea... |
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GravelRidgeBoy
That does not equal out there, the god or gods are suppose to be the larger than life idea, a forest is just a group of trees. You could relate it to "A person who declares there is no god is like a person in the tropics claims snow does not exist. Just because they have never seen it...lol Even that idea is still lacking but it is closer to the same idea...
The forest and the trees was an analogy. The forest as a whole, is unaware that its existence is because of the trees and deny's the trees. To deny the existence of trees is just ignorance on the part of the forest because the trees are the forest. Your example is no where near the meaning of my scripture. A person in the tropics claiming that snow does not exist has a perfect right to claim such a thing because they have never seen it and can't see it even if they looked for it. |
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LOL...Two different views...
I can not see your view and you can not see mine... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 03/31/11 10:26 PM
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LOL...Two different views... I can not see your view and you can not see mine... I can see your view but I didn't think it was very poetic. 
And it portrays God as outside of the person's reach. |
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"A person who declares there is no God is like a forest who declares there are no trees." ~jeanniebean 07:36 Superstition ain't the way. Steve Wonder |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 04/01/11 12:03 PM
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"A person who declares there is no God is like a forest who declares there are no trees." ~jeanniebean 07:36 Superstition ain't the way. Steve Wonder Your statement does not relate to mine. Superstition has nothing to do with my statement above. My statement simply means that Thou art God. By your belief, you do not exist. |
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Your statement does not relate to mine. Superstition has nothing to do with my statement above. My statement simply means that Thou art God. By your belief, you do not exist. "What a piece of worke is a man! how Noble in Reason! how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how express and admirable! in Action, how like an Angel! in apprehension, how like a God? the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals..." William Shakespeare |
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LOL...Two different views... I can not see your view and you can not see mine... I can see your view but I didn't think it was very poetic.
And it portrays God as outside of the person's reach. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 04/01/11 08:28 PM
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LOL...Two different views... I can not see your view and you can not see mine... I can see your view but I didn't think it was very poetic.
And it portrays God as outside of the person's reach. GravelRidgeBoy, My statement is what it is and is what I meant it to be. It does not need "fixing." (You remind me of my X-husband.)  
Plus I am not sure if you can count your imagination within reach or not, I mean it is in your head but you can not actually touch it...
I'm not sure what you are referring to in this statement. Oh well. 
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