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all this talk of smaller government, I find it odd that people are still expecting a president to be personally present for EVERYONES disasters,,,,there are many things to be handled that are important during an emergency that dont require one to actually BE AT THE SCENE as of august of 2010, the president had taken 48 days off, thats 1 1/2 years into his presidency( about 30 days per year, give or take, ) compare that to Bushs 977 days in 8 years(or about 120 days per year), and I still think thats far too big a difference to truly receive the SAME scrutiny yet, those who wish to compare as a blight to OBAMA will swear that Bush was capable of 'leading' from camp david and his ranch, yet OBAMA is not leading if he is not on SITE someplace where tragedy has struck Who said he should fly to Japan and take radiation readings? Your theory that deferring decision making to some minion is NOT the way its supposed to work when your title is President of the United States. There isn't just one or two examples of his haphazard approach to dealing with a crisis. I don't think people voted for him so he could play golf and delegate his authority to some schmuck that he doesn't even talk to.. If you find that reasonable then so be it. I expect more out of President and all the excuses in the world isn't going to change that. thats your perogative,,,people are hired for all types of jobs, cleanup of natural disasters isnt what a president is hired/elected to do,,,but he does have authority over those who ARE and who make pretty good money to be there for that reason when they are needed... they arent a mere MINION if its their field of expertise or THEIR occupation to do the job Experienced people like Ken Salazar? I am sure his degree in Political Science helped out immensely.. It could only be better if he was also a lawyer... Oh wait.. he is covered.. Now I know why Obama felt so content in letting him run the show in the Gulf.. wow, truly? because I kind of thought it went like this DISASTER in the waters,,,,COASTGUARD's JOB and guess what IN THIS CASE THE COAST GUARD was the first in with a plan to stop the leak,,BUT THEIR PLAN FAILED,,,then OBAMA pledges available resources (including the military) to CONTAIN the disaster/spill,,,while holding BP responsible for clean up then OBAMA VISITS THE GULF ,,,yep, EVERYTHING I would expect a president to USE HIS ELECTED OFFICE to do ,, and much more productive than merely BEING ON SITE,,, How about it goes like this.. Obama is elected. He chooses cabinet. He chooses a political scientist/ lawyer to run the Dept of Interior. As Secretary of Interior he has the responsibility of overseeing MMS. MMS has the responsibility to ensure that off shore drilling is being done to code.. MMS is not doing their job and we have a huge oil spill. Now you are telling me that Putting the clown that was in charge of making sure MMS was doing their job when they obviously weren't was a good choice to delegate authority to in the containment phase? That is brilliant.. true dat!!! |
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all this talk of smaller government, I find it odd that people are still expecting a president to be personally present for EVERYONES disasters,,,,there are many things to be handled that are important during an emergency that dont require one to actually BE AT THE SCENE as of august of 2010, the president had taken 48 days off, thats 1 1/2 years into his presidency( about 30 days per year, give or take, ) compare that to Bushs 977 days in 8 years(or about 120 days per year), and I still think thats far too big a difference to truly receive the SAME scrutiny yet, those who wish to compare as a blight to OBAMA will swear that Bush was capable of 'leading' from camp david and his ranch, yet OBAMA is not leading if he is not on SITE someplace where tragedy has struck Who said he should fly to Japan and take radiation readings? Your theory that deferring decision making to some minion is NOT the way its supposed to work when your title is President of the United States. There isn't just one or two examples of his haphazard approach to dealing with a crisis. I don't think people voted for him so he could play golf and delegate his authority to some schmuck that he doesn't even talk to.. If you find that reasonable then so be it. I expect more out of President and all the excuses in the world isn't going to change that. thats your perogative,,,people are hired for all types of jobs, cleanup of natural disasters isnt what a president is hired/elected to do,,,but he does have authority over those who ARE and who make pretty good money to be there for that reason when they are needed... they arent a mere MINION if its their field of expertise or THEIR occupation to do the job Experienced people like Ken Salazar? I am sure his degree in Political Science helped out immensely.. It could only be better if he was also a lawyer... Oh wait.. he is covered.. Now I know why Obama felt so content in letting him run the show in the Gulf.. wow, truly? because I kind of thought it went like this DISASTER in the waters,,,,COASTGUARD's JOB and guess what IN THIS CASE THE COAST GUARD was the first in with a plan to stop the leak,,BUT THEIR PLAN FAILED,,,then OBAMA pledges available resources (including the military) to CONTAIN the disaster/spill,,,while holding BP responsible for clean up then OBAMA VISITS THE GULF ,,,yep, EVERYTHING I would expect a president to USE HIS ELECTED OFFICE to do ,, and much more productive than merely BEING ON SITE,,, How about it goes like this.. Obama is elected. He chooses cabinet. He chooses a political scientist/ lawyer to run the Dept of Interior. As Secretary of Interior he has the responsibility of overseeing MMS. MMS has the responsibility to ensure that off shore drilling is being done to code.. MMS is not doing their job and we have a huge oil spill. Now you are telling me that Putting the clown that was in charge of making sure MMS was doing their job when they obviously weren't was a good choice to delegate authority to in the containment phase? That is brilliant.. nope, I actually was debating an entirely DIFFERENT topic,,,lol the connection between a president taking a vacation and whether he needs to be ONSITE at a disaster/emergency but nice distraction,,, |
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My money is on Ms Harmony.
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Now I remember why I don't post in these threads.... fkn pathetic haha, neither I. I don't know why msharmony giving them ammo to their guns..she is putting a huge bulls eye target on her back, since it's her vs. 5-10 permanent politics forum members who all agree on everything anyway. Actually this is the reason why I don't come to mingle2 anymore and post like twice a month somewhere else. |
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Now I remember why I don't post in these threads.... fkn pathetic haha, neither I. I don't know why msharmony giving them ammo to their guns..she is putting a huge bulls eye target on her back, since it's her vs. 5-10 permanent politics forum members who all agree on everything anyway. Actually this is the reason why I don't come to mingle2 anymore and post like twice a month somewhere else. Same here. I read some of the threads and shake my head. Or sometimes I just feel like trolling. But Ms Harmony can handle anything! Shes like Wonder Woman, but cuter! 
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The trip couldn't come at a better time. The middle east is on fire. Japan is under water. Oil, gas and food prices are skyrocketing. The housing market is getting worse. I know its been a tough couple of weeks, but atleast we know that Obama has been working on his March Madness brackets.. A couple days touring the sites in Brazil is a great escape for this incredibly over-worked President.. President Barack Obama will take his first official trip to Brazil this weekend where he will speak in the popular Cinelandia Square in downtown Rio de Janeiro. Access, of course, will be tightly restricted and security measures so secretive that not even the Embassy or US Consulate in Rio know exactly who it’s all going to go down. Obama’s speech will be free and open to the public and take place around 15:00 local time (14:00 EST). Access to the square will begin at 11:30, and is sure to draw a crowd. Obama is popular in Brazil. One politician seeking office in Rio actually changed his name to Barack Obama in 2008 to solicit votes. He didn’t win. The Obama family will also take in the sights in Rio. A trip to Corcovado mountain, where the Christ the Redeemer statue stands (France gave us Lady Liberty, gave Brazil Jesus) is supposedly on the itinerary. What trip to Rio would be complete without it? If they do make it to the top of the mountain, they will do so with an entourage of secret service and Brazil’s Elite Squad, known as BOPE. http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/03/14/obama-heads-to-rio-sunday-maximum-security-awaits/ Oh god forbid he travels to other countries. What has he done? 
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If he is going for vacation I think it's a bad idea to do so soon after the tragedy in Japan. They are our allies and he should be doing more to help. Small things like hosting or attending fundraising events would get them more media coverage and probably get more people involved. I am sure it wouldnt hurt his ratings either.
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how many days should he do that? should he start as soon as he hears about a tragedy? should he wait a week, two weeks? should he go when he is ASKED or INVITED to do so?
what would be the CORRECT thing for him to do , I wonder,,, |
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all this talk of smaller government, I find it odd that people are still expecting a president to be personally present for EVERYONES disasters,,,,there are many things to be handled that are important during an emergency that dont require one to actually BE AT THE SCENE as of august of 2010, the president had taken 48 days off, thats 1 1/2 years into his presidency( about 30 days per year, give or take, ) compare that to Bushs 977 days in 8 years(or about 120 days per year), and I still think thats far too big a difference to truly receive the SAME scrutiny yet, those who wish to compare as a blight to OBAMA will swear that Bush was capable of 'leading' from camp david and his ranch, yet OBAMA is not leading if he is not on SITE someplace where tragedy has struck Who said he should fly to Japan and take radiation readings? Your theory that deferring decision making to some minion is NOT the way its supposed to work when your title is President of the United States. There isn't just one or two examples of his haphazard approach to dealing with a crisis. I don't think people voted for him so he could play golf and delegate his authority to some schmuck that he doesn't even talk to.. If you find that reasonable then so be it. I expect more out of President and all the excuses in the world isn't going to change that. thats your perogative,,,people are hired for all types of jobs, cleanup of natural disasters isnt what a president is hired/elected to do,,,but he does have authority over those who ARE and who make pretty good money to be there for that reason when they are needed... they arent a mere MINION if its their field of expertise or THEIR occupation to do the job Experienced people like Ken Salazar? I am sure his degree in Political Science helped out immensely.. It could only be better if he was also a lawyer... Oh wait.. he is covered.. Now I know why Obama felt so content in letting him run the show in the Gulf.. wow, truly? because I kind of thought it went like this DISASTER in the waters,,,,COASTGUARD's JOB and guess what IN THIS CASE THE COAST GUARD was the first in with a plan to stop the leak,,BUT THEIR PLAN FAILED,,,then OBAMA pledges available resources (including the military) to CONTAIN the disaster/spill,,,while holding BP responsible for clean up then OBAMA VISITS THE GULF ,,,yep, EVERYTHING I would expect a president to USE HIS ELECTED OFFICE to do ,, and much more productive than merely BEING ON SITE,,, How about it goes like this.. Obama is elected. He chooses cabinet. He chooses a political scientist/ lawyer to run the Dept of Interior. As Secretary of Interior he has the responsibility of overseeing MMS. MMS has the responsibility to ensure that off shore drilling is being done to code.. MMS is not doing their job and we have a huge oil spill. Now you are telling me that Putting the clown that was in charge of making sure MMS was doing their job when they obviously weren't was a good choice to delegate authority to in the containment phase? That is brilliant.. nope, I actually was debating an entirely DIFFERENT topic,,,lol the connection between a president taking a vacation and whether he needs to be ONSITE at a disaster/emergency but nice distraction,,, You weren't debating that delegating authority was okay because that is what people do when they are in charge and have experienced people with the proper expertise to handle a situation? haha.. |
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What would happen if a conservative president did this? Bush was beaten down for taking vacation time to.
But obama gets a free pass? |
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Now I remember why I don't post in these threads.... fkn pathetic 
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"Never let a good crisis go to waste"...
Do you really think there is no Political manuevering going on? Given the 'battle' over difering energy 'ideologies' within the United States? |
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all this talk of smaller government, I find it odd that people are still expecting a president to be personally present for EVERYONES disasters,,,,there are many things to be handled that are important during an emergency that dont require one to actually BE AT THE SCENE as of august of 2010, the president had taken 48 days off, thats 1 1/2 years into his presidency( about 30 days per year, give or take, ) compare that to Bushs 977 days in 8 years(or about 120 days per year), and I still think thats far too big a difference to truly receive the SAME scrutiny yet, those who wish to compare as a blight to OBAMA will swear that Bush was capable of 'leading' from camp david and his ranch, yet OBAMA is not leading if he is not on SITE someplace where tragedy has struck Who said he should fly to Japan and take radiation readings? Your theory that deferring decision making to some minion is NOT the way its supposed to work when your title is President of the United States. There isn't just one or two examples of his haphazard approach to dealing with a crisis. I don't think people voted for him so he could play golf and delegate his authority to some schmuck that he doesn't even talk to.. If you find that reasonable then so be it. I expect more out of President and all the excuses in the world isn't going to change that. thats your perogative,,,people are hired for all types of jobs, cleanup of natural disasters isnt what a president is hired/elected to do,,,but he does have authority over those who ARE and who make pretty good money to be there for that reason when they are needed... they arent a mere MINION if its their field of expertise or THEIR occupation to do the job Experienced people like Ken Salazar? I am sure his degree in Political Science helped out immensely.. It could only be better if he was also a lawyer... Oh wait.. he is covered.. Now I know why Obama felt so content in letting him run the show in the Gulf.. wow, truly? because I kind of thought it went like this DISASTER in the waters,,,,COASTGUARD's JOB and guess what IN THIS CASE THE COAST GUARD was the first in with a plan to stop the leak,,BUT THEIR PLAN FAILED,,,then OBAMA pledges available resources (including the military) to CONTAIN the disaster/spill,,,while holding BP responsible for clean up then OBAMA VISITS THE GULF ,,,yep, EVERYTHING I would expect a president to USE HIS ELECTED OFFICE to do ,, and much more productive than merely BEING ON SITE,,, How about it goes like this.. Obama is elected. He chooses cabinet. He chooses a political scientist/ lawyer to run the Dept of Interior. As Secretary of Interior he has the responsibility of overseeing MMS. MMS has the responsibility to ensure that off shore drilling is being done to code.. MMS is not doing their job and we have a huge oil spill. Now you are telling me that Putting the clown that was in charge of making sure MMS was doing their job when they obviously weren't was a good choice to delegate authority to in the containment phase? That is brilliant.. nope, I actually was debating an entirely DIFFERENT topic,,,lol the connection between a president taking a vacation and whether he needs to be ONSITE at a disaster/emergency but nice distraction,,, You weren't debating that delegating authority was okay because that is what people do when they are in charge and have experienced people with the proper expertise to handle a situation? haha.. yes, I was debating how the President delegates responsibilities, IN A DISASTER which included an analogy about how LEADERS delegate responsbility according to WHO is best (and UNDER their authority obviously) to do the job I wasnt talking about FAR REMOVED 'heads' of departments because they obviously arent handling every emergency PERSONALLY and ON SITE if you recall, I stated that , in THIS emergency, the President did EXACTLY What I would expect him to do, follow the CHAIN in place for such an emergency the COAST GUARD to try to stop the leak other resource as necessary to contain the leak while BP cleans up their own mess |
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What would happen if a conservative president did this? Bush was beaten down for taking vacation time to. But obama gets a free pass? did you not read the numbers,,,BUSH WAS BEATEN DOWN BECAUSE HE HAD ALREADY TAKEN IN HIS FIRST YEAR MORE DAYS THAN OBAMA IN A YEAR AND A HALF AND BECAUSE HE TOOK AN AVERAGE OF 100 DAYS PER YEAR ON VACATION this is MUCH different than what OBAMAS 'vacation days' has been Presidents are human, they have families and deserve to get away as much as ANYONE else, and they actually have the CAPACITY to do their job from just about ANYPLACE(even on 'vacations') |
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Hardest working prezident eva! 
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Stop picking on Obama.
He was put into office at the worst possible time in the worst possible mess after the worst possible president in the history of the world. Bush was such a bad president, a white man could not even win the next election. ---> quote from a black comedian. |
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Im pretty sure that after 911 that was the worst time to be president, and while the world revolted---Bush was criticized for striking back after the country demanded it.....
There are panicked americans on the west coast, generally speaking who are still paranoid about radiation reaching our coasts. Our President takes off for Brazil? WTF? Nice pic, WIlling2 |
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Hey look! Obama is in japan! This argument is now invalid.
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Hey look! Obama is in japan! This argument is now invalid. seriously?lol,,,too funny and thank goodness, it was seriously getting redundant and boring,,,lol |
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