I proved all of that by writing "No?"

My post was about the commitment you make to Christ, NOT the vigilant actions to take against others.

You read from what I wrote that I was condoning being vigilant to others?

Wow. I will pray for you tonight at Stations of the Cross.

yep ...sheep as so wise that they end up in your neighborhood grocery store as a meat product

please CeriseRose.....if you're going to be a sheep to Jesus then you have to realize that you ae no more wiser than those sheep in the store

nope..it wasn't from that "No" post...I didn't even respond to that post ....

go back and check...the post I responded to have your quote in it ....so no harm you simply made a mistake....should I pray for you?

Ok...
You are losing focus of the message,
which is understandable.

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear".

as Forrest Gump would say ...sheep is as a sheep does

And goats is as goats does...

"And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another,
as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"
Mat_25:32,

yes Ceriserose ...that passage does explains why there are so many different sects of Christians ...so which Christians are the sheep and which are the goats?

There are those who know the Lord's voice
and have not turned their ears from the Truth...(sheep)

+++++ +++++

and there are those who refuse to listen
to the Voice of the Lord,

will follow anyone
who says they are Jesus...

usually they scratch their heads
when they hear parables (goats).

a sheep only follows and never questions ....which is why it doesn't matter who the shepherd is

See there ...
another parable went over your head.

I'm through with you!

you were through when you first started spewing parables that refer to you as being a sheep and ready to follow any shepherd with a voice that sounds like Jesus.....sort of points to low self-esteem

the facts are that Jesus may have taught against vigilantism but Jesus also didn't practice what he preached...Jesus called those that didn't believe as he believed fools, hypocrite and a choice of other colorful not nice names ...which is just the same as teaching your followers to retaliate againt those that didn't believe as you believed

but anyway it's about what's in the scripture and according to scripture Jesus will come back swinging the sword of righteousness in which scripture makes him James Bond granting him a license to kill anyone that do not believe as he believes

Jesus lived his life but yet wish to come back from the grave to extract vengence and scripture and his followers gives him that right ...forget about the laws of society, the arrival of Jesus is all about vigilante justice

Paul makes it very clear in Romans 12 and 13 that the whole purpose of government is to execute justice, precisely to avoid vigilantism, precisely to prevent the chaos that results when people take the law into their own hands.

“Beloved,” Paul says in Romans 12:19, “never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay,’ says the Lord.”

And how does God take vengeance on those who deprive fellow citizens of their right to life, liberty and property? Through the authority God has given to civil government. (Ignore the unfortunate chapter break at the end of Romans 12.) Government, the Apostle says, “does not bear the sword (note: an instrument of lethal force) in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer” (Rom. 13:4).


The whole purpose of God delegating his power of life and death to civil government is to see that justice is done, and in so doing to prevent the rise of vigilantism. Justice must be fair, it must be swift, and it must be sure. It must be seen to be justice, or we will encounter more instances like this one, in which men take justice into their own hands because God’s servants - civil authorities - will not do it for them.

you have some very important points ......

Personally, I don't understand why anyone is trying to argue with you Funches.

First of all, just the fact that Jesus was referring to His followers as sheep was a parable in the first place. Most people in those times understood the responsibilities of a sheepherd. They understood a shepherd would go after and save an injured sheep. They understood how sheep will not respond to a different sheepherd's voice.

You keep asking how many people speak in parables. I do on a regular basis when I am trying to explain a feeling I have that I have difficulty explaining. An allegory is really useful in capturing a feeling. He also didn't always speak inparables. He lived for 30 years and preached for 3. The Bible only captures the highlight reals of Jesus life. There is no record of what he said on every day. There isn't even a record of all He said on a single day.

Funches, go back and read your posts analytically. If anyone said something that may have a bearing on one of your points, you shifted your focus slightly to make it seem they were being foolish when in reality, you won't accept anything anyone of faith has to say. You are only look for a way to point a finger at a poorly worded phrase to prove there is no point in having faith. What are you afraid of? Are you afraid that Jesus may be real and Christians may be right in believing He is the only way to salvation? Are you afraid that someone may laugh at you for having faith? Or do you just want to feel good about thinking you have demonstrated the falicy in Christian faith?

What do you want to accomplish here? It seems to me you just want to laugh at the silly Christians that worship a "zombie" according to you. It is not possible to have any real serious debate with you if you can't acknowledge a fundamental part of the Christian faith.

For those arguing with Him, look at what Jesus says about preaching to those that will not hear.

come on. "mylifetoday"....get the flock out of here ..you got to be flocking kidding me...are you out of your flocking mind....what the flock?

sheep like any creature above insects can probably be trained to respond to a voice it doesn't mean that they are smart it only mean that they are responding to a sound and running on stimuli....

this is why it doesn't matter if the voice that a human flock of sheep was following was from God or Satan ...they will just follow the herd or the ram....this is why the rams (non-believers) are removed from the flock so that the sheep can be more easily controlled by others like the shepherd with the sole purpose of using the sheep for their benefit not for the benefit of the sheep...besides exactly how would the sheep know if the shepherd they were following was God or Satan...

sheep are submissive creatures that generally do not think for theirselves because they have a herd mentality, which is why just like their Human counter parts they can be control by anyone just a tad bit more savy than them ..also the flock can be best controlled by using sheep dogs which are in league with the shepherd

it's amazing that the religious allow theirselves to be referred to as being sheep even in metaphor .....

truth is truth are parables and/or metaphors are not truth and anything that is not truth is therefore can only be a lie...people use Faith to delude theirselves as to what truth is in an attempt to make it fit into their brand of religion

this is why I asked how many parables or metaphors are on your birth certificate....

so far no religious person I've ask that question to, ever given a straight answer because it forces them to see that metaphors and parables are lies and/or deception from the truth which is why they are not used on birth certificates

which is why Jesus spoked in parables....not to educate but to confuse and deceive from the truth

couldn't I ask you the same question?...didn't mingle2 provide Christians with their own forum which they can all play together and eat fruit and run around nude...so the question is...why do you come into this forum busting my chops

while you are reading read the part about Jesus turning the other cheek and then read about Jesus returning with the sword of righteousness to stick that sword up some cheeks ...which sort of proves the point of the thread