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Edited by
CeriseRose
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scripture validate condone and even encourage vigilantism under the law "an eye for an eye"... extruding the obvious motive of self defense scripture also provide ways to circumvent around it's own scripture..an example of this is The Sixth Commandment"Thou Shalt Not Kill" ...... under scripture mentality it's ok to kill as long one does not murder the one they kill or if God asked them to kill then such killings fall under the category of "Righteous Killings" ...... it doesn't matter if one has a preponderance of evidence or any evidence pertaining to the possible guilt of the person in question or even if the person committed any tort against the condemner ...as long as one believes that they are making a righteous judgment then under scripture they can practically kill anyone they choose and claim they killed under the name of God an example of this is Jesus teaching to turn the other cheek but yet in his second coming he himself will supposedly come back as some type of Charles Bronson (Death Wish) vigilante swinging the sword of righteous in which under Scripture Law Jesus has full immunity to kill anyone he choose ...in fact he doesn't even have to be Jesus but only have to either believe that he is Jesus or get others to believe he is God or Jesus ... these are some of the reasons why such beliefs are now considered to be cult mentality and why cults now need governmental approval in the countries in which they are practice before they can be label as being a Religion, this way vigilantism under the disguise of righteous killings under scripture can be halted or at least controlled in other words if Jesus comes back he has to follow government law not scripture ... "The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof, the world and they who dwell therein... and who shall stand in His Holy Place..." Ps.24 Jesus Christ does not have a "death wish", rather a warrant... the world, that is, will be demolished and he saves those who want no part of that demolition. |
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But that is the whole point. We are NOT condemned. That is why He sent Christ. That is why Christ died for you. yes, for YOU. If you follow Christ, you are going to go to heaven. If you are saved, you are saved. That is it. That's the beauty of grace. None of us deserve it, but all who want it have access to it. sorry "freakyshiki" but earlier you stated that Jesus will come back in full form....which means that he didn't die ...now you are claiming that he did die...can't have it both way....so pick one...is Jesus dead or what |
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No. ....er....yes |
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Edited by
freakyshiki2009
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Fri 03/18/11 11:17 AM
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funches writes:
"again just because someone is uneducated or uneducated about specific issues doesn't mean that don't deserve the direct Truth ....isn't that what people accuse governments of doing ...so why do askewing from the truth becomes righteous because Jesus does it ..." I'm not sure what you mean here about people deserving the truth. ALL people have access to Christ; it is up to them as to whether they accept it. But, Christianity is Universal, and it does not matter your race, gender, or economic situation. Jesus, the truth, is available for all. And if there are things in the Bible that a person does not understand, there are many who do know, so they have access to those individuals. If you have questions about anything in the Bible, ask away. ADDENDUM "sorry "freakyshiki" but earlier you stated that Jesus will come back in full form....which means that he didn't die ...now you are claiming that he did die...can't have it both way....so pick one...is Jesus dead or what" Jesus is fully human and fully divine. Of course Jesus died for us, but he conquered death. When you conquer something, you own it. That means the rules of the thing no longer apply to you. |
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Armageddon is the war between good and evil ...if you take away all the good there will be no good left to fight in the war....which is why the Rapture could be viewed as being a way to depleat the forces of The AntiChrist according to the belief...The AntiChrist will be a Man that believers claim or believe is God....this is exactly what some Christians believe Armageddon is just a giant war. It's not between the good guys and the bad guys, it's going to be a huge, violent war between multiple armies, probably none of them motivated by love or kindness or anything we would call good. When Jesus arrives, he will defeat all of the armies involved in order to save the last of humanity. The Rapture's purpose is to remove those who are saved from the world before God empties his wrath out upon the world. |
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Absolutely not true. In fact, there are going to be many "good" people left behind. An atheist can be a good person, but he is not going to be taken in the Rapture. "freakyshiki"......wouldn't you agree that this is only something that God knows and not you? |
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No. ....er....yes The answer to the OP's question is clearly "no". Jesus taught against vigilantism. Many of the Jews had decided that they could enforce the laws of the Torah, but those were given as guidelines for judges to use to adjudicating conflicts. The civil laws weren't meant to be enforced by individuals (which is vigilantism), they were meant to be enforced by fair minded and godly judges. I'm not going to argue with you, I'm giving you the facts. Accept the facts or reject them, that's entirely up to you. |
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funches writes:
"freakyshiki"......wouldn't you agree that this is only something that God knows and not you?" Chrisat said, "Anyone who denies me on Earth I will deny him before the Father." |
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Jesus Christ does not have a "death wish", rather a warrant... the world, that is, will be demolished and he saves those who want no part of that demolition. CeriseRose...wouldn't you agree that Adolph Hitler believe that he had that same Warrant you're proving the point of the thread |
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I'm not sure what you mean here about people deserving the truth. ok "freakyskihi"...let's but it this way...how many people in your life talk to you in parables everytime they speak to you |
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Jesus did not speak in parables every time he spoke with others. However, he used the best techniques at the time to get the point across. So, sometimes, he spoke in parables, and other times he did not.
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Armageddon is the war between good and evil ...if you take away all the good there will be no good left to fight in the war....which is why the Rapture could be viewed as being a way to depleat the forces of The AntiChrist according to the belief...The AntiChrist will be a Man that believers claim or believe is God....this is exactly what some Christians believe Armageddon is just a giant war. It's not between the good guys and the bad guys, it's going to be a huge, violent war between multiple armies, probably none of them motivated by love or kindness or anything we would call good. When Jesus arrives, he will defeat all of the armies involved in order to save the last of humanity. The Rapture's purpose is to remove those who are saved from the world before God empties his wrath out upon the world. Spidercmb....Armageddon is not the war but the name of the place the war will take place ....it's not Armageddon...it's The Battle at Armageddon..also it's a war between good and evil |
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Jesus did not speak in parables every time he spoke with others. However, he used the best techniques at the time to get the point across. So, sometimes, he spoke in parables, and other times he did not. "Freakyshiki"...the fact that Jesus spoke in parables at all is the point I'm trying to make about him being deceptive ....which is why I asked you how many people in your life speak to you in parables .... but anyway since you didn't answer that question here's another one for you ...how many parables are on your birth certificate ..perhaps you will answer that one...then you will see what I mean about the truth |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Fri 03/18/11 11:40 AM
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But that is the whole point. We are NOT condemned. That is why He sent Christ. That is why Christ died for you. yes, for YOU. If you follow Christ, you are going to go to heaven. If you are saved, you are saved. That is it. That's the beauty of grace. None of us deserve it, but all who want it have access to it. sorry "freakyshiki" but earlier you stated that Jesus will come back in full form....which means that he didn't die ...now you are claiming that he did die...can't have it both way....so pick one...is Jesus dead or what Mr funches, this is not meant to insult you, but you are carnal-minded. you don't understand spiritual things...you seem to judge things of God by science fiction ["zombies", "undead",etc] which is less reliable theoretical scientism. Don't mean to be a "thumper" but read this chapter on resurrection to understand more about physical change of the believer. 1 Corinthians 15: Fact of Christ's Resurrection 1, Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2, By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3, For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4, And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5, And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6, After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7, After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8, And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9, For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10, But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11, Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. 12, Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13, But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14, And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15, Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16, For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17, And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18, Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19, If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20, But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21, For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22, For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23, But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24, Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25, For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26, The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27, For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28, And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 29, Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? 30, And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? 31, I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32, If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. 33, Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34, Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. 35, But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36, Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37, And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38, But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39, All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40, There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41, There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42, So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43, It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44, It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45, And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46, Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47, The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48, As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49, And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50, Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51, Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53, For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54, So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55, O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56, The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57, But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58, Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. |
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funches writes: "freakyshiki"......wouldn't you agree that this is only something that God knows and not you?" Chrisat said, "Anyone who denies me on Earth I will deny him before the Father." forgive Jesus Father...for he knows not what he says |
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Mr funches, this is not meant to insult you, but you are carnal-minded. you don't understand spiritual things... sorry CeriseRose ...but for all you know..I could be Jesus also I've dappered into the bible which means that I know just as much about spiritual things than you .... |
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[you seem to judge things of God by science fiction ["zombies", "undead",etc] which is less reliable theoretical scientism. CeriseRose...according to your belief...you believe in angels, demons, ghosts, etc...those are the same characters on The Sci-Fi Channel...oops I meant the SyFy channel ...which means that you also believe in science fiction but called it religion |
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Don't mean to be a "thumper" Nah...CeriseRose...not a bible thumper...you're more like a "google cut and paste" technician a couple of more passages and you would have pasted the entire bible in this thread |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Fri 03/18/11 11:53 AM
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Mr funches, this is not meant to insult you, but you are carnal-minded. you don't understand spiritual things... sorry CeriseRose ...but for all you know..I could be Jesus also I've dappered into the bible which means that I know just as much about spiritual things than you .... Your birth name may be "Jesus" but you are not"The Christ" of the scriptures. 
I'm not competitive in knowledge of scripture, sorry if I come off that way. 
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funches writes:
"Freakyshiki"...the fact that Jesus spoke in parables at all is the point I'm trying to make about him being deceptive ....which is why I asked you how many people in your life speak to you in parables ...." Ok, but that is not what you asked before. You asked me how many people I knew who spoke only in parables. And what is a parable? A short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. As an example, parents do this all of the time. Aesop's Fables are examples of these types of stories. Sadly, it is not as obvious today, but before the invention of radio, TV, and the Internet, stories (or parables) were a primary tool for providing a moral or point. "but anyway since you didn't answer that question here's another one for you ...how many parables are on your birth certificate" Why would a story be on my birth certificate? I have no idea what you are talking about. |
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